OSAMA BIN LADEN ANNOUNCED DEAD BY OBAMA (renamed thread)

[Aldebaran]

But I sorta doubt that.

Ha! You know with 2012 right around the corner maybe the big shift in global consciousness will turn out to be a politician with a modicum of foresight for the well being of his people.

That hopium's wearing off, better take another hit. I'll catch that dragon one day.

[Nordic]

Neighbor to the house basically says there's no freakin' way Obama Bin Laden was in that house.

Al Jazeera, and even there, you can tell the reporter realized he had a guy who wasn't, uh, cooperative. Straying from the script.

[ninakat]

I know we all hate on blowhard Alex Jones and his occasional xenophobic paranoia and gun worshipping frenzy...

but I have to say, right here at 11:33...he is dead on.

Sorry 8bit, didn't mean to belittle your posting.... cuz I know exactly what yer sayin. Been expecting The Big One for years now myself, and this seems as opportune a moment as any. But I'm sick of worrying about it. I'm resigned to it instead. It's the new normal for me. Sure, I'll still be surprised and shocked, just like everyone else. And no, I'm not into numerology, although it's entertaining, kinda like this thread, which is why the irony of Alex Jones and 11:33 just had to happen, didn't it? That NY Times article that MacC posted was absolutely one of the funniest pieces I've seen a very long time. I would love to hear Eric Idle read it out loud.

[2012 Countdown]

Neighbor to the house basically says there's no freakin' way Obama Bin Laden was in that house.

Al Jazeera, and even there, you can tell the reporter realized he had a guy who wasn't, uh, cooperative. Straying from the script.

haha...wether or not this guy is to be believed, the goober reporter intentionally ignores him or totally misses it and buries the guys main point.

[8bitagent]

but as the first shot in the next round of the perpetual wars.

.

And how does one do that without a massive terror attack on the homefront?

When Russian FSB carried out the massive 9-99 apartment complex series of bombings, even getting caught planting the fourth bomb, they knew it was
the only way to get international support behind their brutal destruction of Chechnya that left countless dead.

We got TSA putting their hands down the pants of little children now under Obama, we never saw *that* under Bush. As many of us feared, they are ratcheting up the "big brother" stuff.
Slowly phasing it in.."oh Apple does it, so its all for your hip benefit".

But more to point, the traction and millage of "Ghadafy is killing his own people" only went so far, and the US had to scale back the Libyan war. But...given the INSANE mass propaganda we're now seeing, the left lock stock in the blind flag waving position; and with every security agency on steroids and ready to go...what else could be used to justify more war?

Another "attempt"? Naw...thats way way too 2008-2010. They're done with attempts. That millage can only go so far. While so far the narrative is "al Qaeda is so diminished now, they can only do small embarassingly flimsy attempts and tries", and that was able to be used to ratchet up the homeland security and TSA measures...something much more sinister will be needed for more wars.

Remember wen the head of the military said youd have to be crazy to do another war in the Middle East?

[8bitagent]

I hear you 8bit, you are very passionate, and I can relate to that. I am too. Even now I find it hard not to get upset sometimes, or make similar observations. But it is also liberating to see through all the BS that makes life so complicated for many people. Luckily, I have met a lovely girl, who has been on this journey with me, and that has helped

The best time I had recently was hanging out with a woman who was a very devout catholic, and I would say, very conservative relative to mainstream. She never watched the news, or kept up with current events, because of 'how bad everything was'. You would think we should of gotten on like chalk and cheese, but all we talked about was our families, anecdotes about growing up, the relationships we were in, children, pranks we did etc.

Anyways, don't mean to derail the thread.

Oh not a derail at all. I really think it was the reports of the TSA with their hands down crying 6-8 year olds pants and treating them like terror suspects that really woke me up that this isn't some internet conspiratainment parlour guessing game. It's not some cute social scene of who can come up with the most outlandish theories or seeing "what else" is a conspiracy. It's all happening, in real time. If we are allowing that sort of abuse as "the new normal". If virtually all of America is texting, facebooking and in the streets cheering for the death of someone as a parade...then people's minds are now more than ever open to all forms of manipulation. Obama could only be president at this point...the "iGeneration" of instant mass communication and social networking where "you" are the star of your own reality show for millions to see, and "you" report the news...youd think conspiracy skepticism would be bigger than ever, but now its more closed off than ever. The Birtherism thing was engineered to silence all critics.
The elite can sell us RFID chips, invasive measures etc as both "Apple cool hip" and "to protect us against al Qaeda".

Anyhoo, hearing ya found a sweetie is precisely what I want to hear about. It gives me hope. I know times are financially tough and there's all sort of unfortunate things on a macro and micro scale in day to day life, but I like this. I'm the magic age of 33, yet have never had any sort of romantic love, but cynicism toward romance isn't my thing. My dream above all else is to meet a fellow artist gal and have kids...yes, even if crazy times are upon us.

You know, something about Catholics...they seem very open minded unlike a lot of evangelicals or a lot of Christians. I had a good buddy, devout Catholic who also loved to surf and read. And he's the one who really got me to question everything. Got me into David Icke , got me into a lot of the documentaries and books that got me on my 'truthseeking' path back in the late 1990's and early 2000's.
He was very knowledgeable about all faiths, while other religious people Ive met refuse to learn or hear about other doctrine. I know sometimes I've seemed like an atheistic anti religious killjoy to people I've known, but I also love the idea of someday visiting all of the world's important religious shrines and areas...because I do see a very richly woven texture yielded by vibrant colors, song, scripture, food, clothing and culture in all of the world's religions. Animism, Hindu, Buddhism, Islam, Judaism, Ultra Orhodox Judaism, Eastern Christianity, Aboriginal faiths, etc.

[norton ash]

Obama
Alabama
Osama

Anticipating drama from the Dalai Lama.

Watching the skies in the Atacama.

http://www.eso.org/sci/facilities/alma/

Gonna be a cruel summer.



(I should get some air.)

[8bitagent]

I know we all hate on blowhard Alex Jones and his occasional xenophobic paranoia and gun worshipping frenzy...

but I have to say, right here at 11:33...he is dead on.

Sorry 8bit, didn't mean to belittle your posting.... cuz I know exactly what yer sayin. Been expecting The Big One for years now myself, and this seems as opportune a moment as any. But I'm sick of worrying about it. I'm resigned to it instead. It's the new normal for me. Sure, I'll still be surprised and shocked, just like everyone else. And no, I'm not into numerology, although it's entertaining, kinda like this thread, which is why the irony of Alex Jones and 11:33 just had to happen, didn't it? That NY Times article that MacC posted was absolutely one of the funniest pieces I've seen a very long time. I would love to hear Eric Idle read it out loud.

Oh, heh...I didn't even catch the 11:33. Out of morbid curiosity I had to see what AJ's take was on it...and while I don't know if I buy the "he's been dead awhile thing", I do agree that this snapshot in time has no other feeling. When the "oh there will be a big new 9/11" talk happened in 2004-2010, it just didnt have a feeling. Then again, these events happen when you least expect them. a "clear blue sky was interrupted". I think we all on RI thought Obama would need his major crisis as Biden even alluded to(btw, where the heck has Biden been? Never since Dan Quayle has a Veep been so out of the limelight)
Obviously I hope its a case of saying it out loud dispels it from being a reality. If such an attack were to occur, no doubt it would directly affect many people, maybe even some of us.
But at this juncture in history, from Oppenheimer's 33rd degree "I am Become Death" invocation at Trinity, I am not sure where else this human narrative can go. Except...things that can't be controlled, like solar flares and that sort of thing. Maybe ultimately the "elite' we think of can't control our ultimate fate: the sun, and the theories that something changing with it could have a major impact.

As far as numerology, I used to get majorly annoyed when it was brought up or anyone mentioned "occult" and major events in the same sentence. Then I remember researching famous chess players of all things, and coming upon Aleister Crowley's interest in it, and then noticed he had written extensively about certain numbers...and I thought "wait, these are the four plane numbers on 9/11".
and I thought, well maybe its all a coincidence, some universal language and synchronicity. Or on top of that, there's something beyond mere oil politics and pax americana beneath the surface.

Then the 9/11 of finances: Sept 2008. The number of the single biggest dow drop? "-777", also the title of a famous Crowley book. And then the White House/DC street pentagram, dollar bill,
FDR's Wallace VP ties to occult mystics, the Princess Diana crash 13/31 number mirror, the fact so many of the al Qaeda blamed attacks were happening on "11" or "9", some with "33" victims.
I just watched Nicolas Cage's "Knowing" last night for gits and shiggles, and it's interesting how some of that stuff doesn't seem too far off, with the 9/11 numerology and major events.
Wasn't both Roswell and Trinity on the 33 degree?

Regardless, with gas rising in America, the have and the have not divide exploding sharply, and with people feeling all the more isolated despite "wonderful" technology so much is being lost...and we've lost sight of what matters. The PTB perverse the "on and shortly after 9/11 we all came together" sentiment, that "but that spirit has been lost with the bickering and political lines". I use the term egregoric to describe the shared mass trauma and emotional spikes worldwide as a feast for whomever with events like 9/11, Obama's win night and then the announcement of OBL's death. But I wish Americans and the world could rise up and not just denounce all tyranny and divides, but create shared communities independent of the "system". Alternative communities, alternative energy, shared co-ops, clean energy, etc.

[smiths]

after the initial announcements, the biggest theme in the australian reporting i have been listening to has been
how incredible the special forces are, what an amazing bunch of guys team 6 are, how much they trained,
how brilliantly the operation went, will we ever find out who the hero is who actually shot bin laden

my money is on david petraeus leading the kill team, shooting Usama and launching his bid to be the next US emperor in chief

[8bitagent]

after the initial announcements, the biggest theme in the australian reporting i have been listening to has been
how incredible the special forces are, what an amazing bunch of guys team 6 are, how much they trained,
how brilliantly the operation went, will we ever find out who the hero is who actually shot bin laden

my money is on david petraeus leading the kill team, shooting Usama and launching his bid to be the next US emperor in chief

We're probably going to get hunky man calendars of the Seals team, interviews, books, movies, action figures. TMZ, Entertainment tonight, Entertainment magazine doing exposes on the "sexy men who took out bin Laden". Forget Beiber fever, here's what a real sexy man does...goes out and murders people in countries it doesnt belong in. America, Fuck Yeah!

[Brentos]

Oh not a derail at all. I really think it was the reports of the TSA with their hands down crying 6-8 year olds pants and treating them like terror suspects that really woke me up that this isn't some internet conspiratainment parlour guessing game. It's not some cute social scene of who can come up with the most outlandish theories or seeing "what else" is a conspiracy. It's all happening, in real time. If we are allowing that sort of abuse as "the new normal". If virtually all of America is texting, facebooking and in the streets cheering for the death of someone as a parade...then people's minds are now more than ever open to all forms of manipulation. Obama could only be president at this point...the "iGeneration" of instant mass communication and social networking where "you" are the star of your own reality show for millions to see, and "you" report the news...youd think conspiracy skepticism would be bigger than ever, but now its more closed off than ever. The Birtherism thing was engineered to silence all critics.
The elite can sell us RFID chips, invasive measures etc as both "Apple cool hip" and "to protect us against al Qaeda".

Totally. Going through the airport, shoeless, with those scanners brings it all home. I opted out, but I wonder how long that will be an option? Luckily the dude didn't fondle me. But yeah, what people get taught to believe are mostly myths and 1/2 truths, and we are at a pivotal time where we are seeing it acutely. The technology will make people even more cut off and less individually able to think for themselves. I wont get into why, but I do believe that these events (like the OBL whack) are done in such a way as to broadcast their power and the complete and utter contempt they have for the peons, like others have mentioned here.
You recall 7/7, with the bus advertisement right outside Tavistock:

&
The exploding double decker bus at the end of the 2008 Bejing Olympics with jimmy page & leona lewis.


though I can concede this is yet another strange coincidence.

Anyhoo, hearing ya found a sweetie is precisely what I want to hear about. It gives me hope. I know times are financially tough and there's all sort of unfortunate things on a macro and micro scale in day to day life, but I like this. I'm the magic age of 33, yet have never had any sort of romantic love, but cynicism toward romance isn't my thing. My dream above all else is to meet a fellow artist gal and have kids...yes, even if crazy times are upon us.

You know, something about Catholics...they seem very open minded unlike a lot of evangelicals or a lot of Christians. I had a good buddy, devout Catholic who also loved to surf and read. And he's the one who really got me to question everything. Got me into David Icke , got me into a lot of the documentaries and books that got me on my 'truthseeking' path back in the late 1990's and early 2000's.
He was very knowledgeable about all faiths, while other religious people Ive met refuse to learn or hear about other doctrine. I know sometimes I've seemed like an atheistic anti religious killjoy to people I've known, but I also love the idea of someday visiting all of the world's important religious shrines and areas...because I do see a very richly woven texture yielded by vibrant colors, song, scripture, food, clothing and culture in all of the world's religions. Animism, Hindu, Buddhism, Islam, Judaism, Ultra Orhodox Judaism, Eastern Christianity, Aboriginal faiths, etc.

Glad to hear it. I'm planning for kids too. Good luck, I met my girl online a long time ago. Once you meet in person its like a regular date anyhow. The one thing the iboga experience gave me, and it is really impossible to put into words, was something I would term spiritual. I believe there is something inherently transcendental about us, which is why we have so many faiths to begin with, which is nothing to say about how the organized institutions are run themselves.

[Brentos]

double post.

[AhabsOtherLeg]

Before the core CIA team, Jawbreaker, deployed [to Afghanistan] on September 27, 2001, Black gave his men direct and macabre directions. “Gentlemen, I want to give you your marching orders, and I want to make them very clear. I have discussed this with the President, and he is in full agreement,” Black told covert CIA operative Gary Schroen. “I don’t want bin Laden and his thugs captured, I want them dead… . They must be killed. I want to see photos of their heads on pikes. I want bin Laden’s head shipped back in a box filled with dry ice. I want to be able to show bin Laden’s head to the President. I promised him I would do that.”

...Black asked if he had made himself clear. “Perfectly clear, Cofer,” Schroen told him. “I don’t know where we’ll find dry ice out there in Afghanistan, but I think we can certainly manufacture pikes in the field.” Black later explained why this would be necessary. “You’d need some DNA,” Black said. “There’s a good way to do it. Take a machete, and whack off his head, and you’ll get a bucketful of DNA, so you can see it and test it. It beats lugging the whole body back!”

See? They knew they'd have some DNA to convincingly compare it with long before Osama's sister died. They knew they'd need it in 2001. Unless that was just Cofer Black ranting like a fannybaws again, as he seems to have done continuously for several years without pause to everyone who would listen (with only the US govt taking him seriously).

I suppose the fact that Cofer Black is a nasty manchild in deep thrall to verbal lustmord is the most likely explanation for all that. But still. They already knew they'd need DNA, as proof of death, in 2001, and that "lugging the whole body back" would be problematic. I suppose, as professionals, they would know that in advance. No doubt Patrice Lumumba would've ended up in the deep blue sea as well, if they hadn't been forced to bury him as many times as they killed al-Zarqawi.*

*Not putting Bin Laden on a level with Lumumba here. Just sayin'.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrice_Lu ... t_of_death

[JackRiddler]

but as the first shot in the next round of the perpetual wars.

.

And how does one do that without a massive terror attack on the homefront?

This I actually felt was necessary prior to September 11th, which is why I was honestly expecting such a thing -- a "Reichstag Fire" event -- on the basis of the Bush mob seizing power in a fraudulent election and the revival of the Central Asian great game. This is not necessary today. In case you haven't noticed, US people barely noticed that a new front was opened in Libya, and they don't even know Yemen exists. What's to stop escalations or new campaigns, other than overstretch or military defeat? However, as those are factors, the crew in the cockpit right now is looking to maintain the ongoing wars, not to open new fronts. We'll see about Pakistan. I'm expecting status quo -- already murderous -- with lots of kabuki diplomatic conflicts.

When Russian FSB carried out the massive 9-99 apartment complex series of bombings, even getting caught planting the fourth bomb, they knew it was
the only way to get international support behind their brutal destruction of Chechnya that left countless dead.

They never cared a crap about international support for that. Never. Yeltsin's first war on Chechnya had failed because of Russians hating it and hating him. Do you remember that? Do you even know about the mid 1990s Chechnya war? The mothers' protests, as they were called, did that in, forced a withdrawal. The point in 1999 was to mobilize Russians in support of a second Chechnya war -- also to deify the FSB's wonderman Putin as the solution for a Russia seemingly in terminal crisis. It worked.

We got TSA putting their hands down the pants of little children now under Obama, we never saw *that* under Bush. As many of us feared, they are ratcheting up the "big brother" stuff.
Slowly phasing it in.."oh Apple does it, so its all for your hip benefit".

You're not really going to want to debate *what* we saw under Bush in the way of Homeland insanity and repressions, as opposed to what we've seen under Obama? The roundups right after September 11th, all the fake warnings and color-coded panics, renditions, torture, children at Gitmo? Some things have been phased out, but there is a remarkable continuity in the last two years and a continuing salami tactic of expanding the surveillance and control systems, and it's absurd to suggest there's a radical new quality to it that's especially Obama's. (And who mentioned shoes? They've been making me take off my goddamn shoes for almost 10 years now.)

But more to point, the traction and millage of "Ghadafy is killing his own people" only went so far, and the US had to scale back the Libyan war.

Huh? Who forced the US to scale back on Libya? Did you see any protests? Fact is, the US has been ambivalent about Libya from the beginning. That's not an excuse for its participation. UK, France and Italy led the charge politically and now militarily.

Do you think a "Big One" solves the problem that the US military is overstretched and already draining too much of what's left of the Treasury? They're already spending a trillion dollars a year and the corporations are plundering too much of it to actually field a force that can do much more than what is already in play.

But...given the INSANE mass propaganda we're now seeing, the left lock stock in the blind flag waving position;

You always say this and it's bullshit. A bunch of Obama cheerleaders at the White House yesterday is not "the left." I don't know what you define as "the left" but I see many signs of growing popular mobilization against the class war, and opposition to the military budgets will go with that as it grows. Because that part is unavoidable. War eats any part of this nation's surplus wealth that the super-rich don't rake in as rentier income and plunder.

and with every security agency on steroids and ready to go...what else could be used to justify more war?

You are well aware that any old bullshit will do: found it on OBL's laptop. They're probably not looking for too many new fronts right now. They have their hands full. They're losing proxies, and that's trouble.

Remember wen the head of the military said youd have to be crazy to do another war in the Middle East?

Who do you mean, Abizaid, Casey, Fallon? These guys had to go, but guess what? Their views prevailed within the Pentagon, and an attack on Iran came off the table by the end of 2007.

You will see continued bombings and attempts to continue the current force commitments in Afpak and to stay in Iraq. That's horrible for the bombed and the occupied. You will not see new ground force commitments. At least, I don't believe that's the plan, because I don't see the logic or the reasons for it you say you do.

And in this case, I certainly hope I'm right!

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[8bitagent]

Totally. Going through the airport, shoeless, with those scanners brings it all home. I opted out, but I wonder how long that will be an option? Luckily the dude didn't fondle me. But yeah, what people get taught to believe are mostly myths and 1/2 truths, and we are at a pivotal time where we are seeing it acutely. The technology will make people even more cut off and less individually able to think for themselves. I wont get into why, but I do believe that these events (like the OBL whack) are done in such a way as to broadcast their power and the complete and utter contempt they have for the peons, like others have mentioned here.
You recall 7/7, with the bus advertisement right outside Tavistock:

Well how far can it go? It started with more screening, taking your shoes off and shuffling adults around like they were kids. Now...its radiation nude scanners, molesting gropes, pre crime minority report monitors. If we were to see a new attack, I cant even imagine the level of insanity...they could order everyone to strip naked, and dumb american public will go along. Gotta keep us safe from al Kwayduhs. I personally feel offended most liberals believe this crap. You're likely just to get spit on and slapped by a liberal for saying 9/11 was a staged op as you would conservatives.
And technology/mass communication, or "Smart integration" is going to divide people even more.
Check out these total orwellian IBM ads...slavery being sold as "hip and cool"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhhjuAsO_3M

A couple years ago IBM, who was instrumental in the holocaust of 6 million plus Jews with Bayer, Ford and Siemens, made a bunch of pro big brother ads. RFID chipping is cool! designer babies, awesome!
Pattern recognition mapping our every move and destiny, way cool!

Oh the 7/7 op, man...that was so in your face. And the UK loves their big brother camera obsessed London capital. They do it so politely, its big brother with a nanny reminder side.
I mean Blair came out and said nope, no inquiry. Nothing. Its like they didnt even try to hide the 7/7 op was staged. The upturned metal on the carriages, the witnesses on the Tavistock bus, the bizarre time stamps and inaccuracies in the "terrorists". The fact its now out that so many of the people involved were informants and moles.

England is an epicenter of the black lodge occultists, going back to the time of John Dee and long before. Every event in the UK is dripping with the blackest of occultism. Princess Di dying under a black pentagram statue into the 13th pillar, 7/7, etc.

Glad to hear it. I'm planning for kids too. Good luck, I met my girl online a long time ago. Once you meet in person its like a regular date anyhow. The one thing the iboga experience gave me, and it is really impossible to put into words, was something I would term spiritual. I believe there is something inherently transcendental about us, which is why we have so many faiths to begin with, which is nothing to say about how the organized institutions are run themselves.

This should be our new pledge:

I pledge allegiance to Lord Obama and the flag, of the united fascist states of Amerikkka
And to the war loving racist republic for which it stands,
One Nation Under Haliburton, Goldman Sachs and the Black Lodge Occultists
Unconditional, with death and oppression for All

Before the core CIA team, Jawbreaker, deployed [to Afghanistan] on September 27, 2001, Black gave his men direct and macabre directions. “Gentlemen, I want to give you your marching orders, and I want to make them very clear. I have discussed this with the President, and he is in full agreement,” Black told covert CIA operative Gary Schroen. “I don’t want bin Laden and his thugs captured, I want them dead… . They must be killed. I want to see photos of their heads on pikes. I want bin Laden’s head shipped back in a box filled with dry ice. I want to be able to show bin Laden’s head to the President. I promised him I would do that.”

...Black asked if he had made himself clear. “Perfectly clear, Cofer,” Schroen told him. “I don’t know where we’ll find dry ice out there in Afghanistan, but I think we can certainly manufacture pikes in the field.” Black later explained why this would be necessary. “You’d need some DNA,” Black said. “There’s a good way to do it. Take a machete, and whack off his head, and you’ll get a bucketful of DNA, so you can see it and test it. It beats lugging the whole body back!”

See? They knew they'd have some DNA to convincingly compare it with long before Osama's sister died. They knew they'd need it in 2001. Unless that was just Cofer Black ranting like a fannybaws again, as he seems to have done continuously for several years without pause to everyone who would listen (with only the US govt taking him seriously).

I suppose the fact that Cofer Black is a nasty manchild in deep thrall to verbal lustmord is the most likely explanation for all that. But still. They already knew they'd need DNA, as proof of death, in 2001, and that "lugging the whole body back" would be problematic. I suppose, as professionals, they would know that in advance. No doubt Patrice Lumumba would've ended up in the deep blue sea as well, if they hadn't been forced to bury him as many times as they killed al-Zarqawi.*

*Not putting Bin Laden on a level with Lumumba here. Just sayin'.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrice_Lu ... t_of_death

Yet, all the CIA/DELTA/Series from that 2001 mission have come out and exposed how Rumsfeld aborted the mission last minute. Just like Clinton and Sandy Berger 10 times before.
Bin Laden was a protected boogeyman til they wanted him dead.