Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

[DrEvil]

accident, intention, or some combination are the only things that make guns go off. we can pretend that some laws will make that go away. or we could press for verifiable investigation of crimes...

Soo.. It would be better to have another mass shooting with a verifiable investigation than to prevent it in the first place (by removing the weapons that would make it possible)?

[8bitagent]

Well, I guess "the no planers" and "no planers are themselves a neocon psyop" theory isn't any more nuts than my view of 9/11 being an elaborate black rite.
I personally don't get the "this or that is a hoax" crowd. With regard to 9/11, I've longed believed there were all sorts of plausible deniability factors so that
even a close examination may convince people it was an "independent al Qaeda attack". I'm sure KSM and Zawahiri will go to their grave
"convinced" they created 9/11 and acted alone. But ideas, are very powerful things. Where can the building blocks of an idea be traced to?
If one believes in the theory that some of these major game changing events are occult in nature(9/11, Princess Diana crash, etc) it would make sense that the events were deadly and real. If one were to believe
in the idea of some sort of synchronicity, then no staging would be needed.

I honestly don't have a theory with regards to the post 2007 crop of young guys going on rampages...other than they all seem to have a lot in common both
as people and methodology. And that, these events as a whole seem random...yet together feel like a striking narrative that reflects the times.

[lupercal]

as I predicted:

Report: Attorney Receives Death Threats After Sandy Hook Filing
By Paul Singley | Naugatuck Patch, 8:13 am

An attorney who wants to sue the state because his client says officials did not do enough to protect the Sandy Hook Elementary School community has reportedly received more than 50 death threats.

Irving Pinsky, a New Haven-based attorney, told the New Haven Independent that he has received the threats after he filed notice with the state's claims commissioner asking permission to file a $100 million lawsuit on behalf of the family of a 6-year-old survivor. He says the unnamed girl was traumatized after what she heard and witnessed during the school shooting on Dec. 14.

The Independent also states that Pinsky is in the process of withdrawing the filing in order to "calm the divisiveness and tremors," but he reserved all rights to refile based on some "new evidence" he has received.

That decision comes on the heels of a response to Pinsky's claim from state Attorney General George Jepsen, who said, "Although the investigation is still under way, we are aware of no facts or legal theory under which the State of Connecticut should be liable for causing the harms inflicted at Sandy Hook Elementary School. Nor does the claim letter filed in this case identify a valid basis to support a claim against the state and, by extension, its taxpayers.”

Pinsky's claim is that the state failed to protect Sandy Hook from "foreseeable harm."

http://naugatuck.patch.com/articles/rep ... ook-filing

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And that, these events as a whole seem random...yet together feel like a striking narrative that reflects the times.

[DrEvil]

Just off the top of my head it would seem that people maybe find it a bit offensive that someone tries to fleece the state for $100 million, because their kid heard gunshots and screaming.
Of course - it must have been horrifying and traumatic for the kid, I'm not disputing that, but this is so obviously some greedy fuck trying to take advantage of a horrible situation to line their own pockets.

Something is just seriously wrong with people if the first thing they think about after something like this is how to profit from it, and people are (naturally) offended by it.

[brainpanhandler]

Just off the top of my head it would seem that people maybe find it a bit offensive that someone tries to fleece the state for $100 million, because their kid heard gunshots and screaming.
Of course - it must have been horrifying and traumatic for the kid, I'm not disputing that, but this is so obviously some greedy fuck trying to take advantage of a horrible situation to line their own pockets.

Something is just seriously wrong with people if the first thing they think about after something like this is how to profit from it, and people are (naturally) offended by it.

I can understand that response, but it might be the second or third thing you think of if there was in fact clear evidence of gross negligence on the part of the state. I'm certainly not taking Jepsen's word for it.

...response to Pinsky's claim from state Attorney General George Jepsen, who said, "Although the investigation is still under way, we are aware of no facts or legal theory under which the State of Connecticut should be liable for causing the harms inflicted at Sandy Hook Elementary School. Nor does the claim letter filed in this case identify a valid basis to support a claim against the state and, by extension, its taxpayers.”

I imagine such law suits start with a number like $100,000,000 with the expectation that the realistic judgement would be much less. Again, I understand your response, but I am reluctant to support any sort of position which sides with torte reform nuts without having the facts at my disposal. Too many times upon looking into the facts of some case they hold up as being particularly egregious and representative of why we need torte reform I discover that the facts support the plaintiff and they have a legitimate grievance. This: http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm case comes to mind.

[DrEvil]

@bph: Good points. I should probably hold judgment until I have all the facts (if ever). What set me off was the number itself, which is beyond the pale, and the timing. Their kid is still alive. 20 others aren't.
I honestly don't get that mindset: "Oh no! Something horrible happened. I'm gonna be rich!".

[JackRiddler]

I imagine such law suits start with a number like $100,000,000 with the expectation that the realistic judgement would be much less. Again, I understand your response, but I am reluctant to support any sort of position which sides with torte reform nuts without having the facts at my disposal. Too many times upon looking into the facts of some case they hold up as being particularly egregious and representative of why we need torte reform I discover that the facts support the plaintiff and they have a legitimate grievance. This: http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm case comes to mind.

Oh, totally agreed. Didja see "Hot Coffee"?

Speaking of which, that would go very well with Torte!

Reform this, if you can:

You've been eggcorned.

[compared2what?]

^^Cheeky. Impudent, even.



Now that's a nice, refined-looking torte for you.

Hm. It's said to be the oldest-known cake in the world, per wiki. You learn something every day.

[JackRiddler]

Oh god, we could just have one thread about dessert, all day, every day.

[dbcooper41]

at the risk of stirring things up i gotta ask, did anyone ever offer a good explanation for the bullet holes in Lauren Rousseau's car?
seems an awful big coincidence if her car just happened to get hit by the same guy who shot her inside the building.
and fwiw, this guy's site seems to suggest the angle of fire was improbable to say the least.
http://usahitman.com/lrcrbh/

her own mother verified the holes were there.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/survive-war-dies-teaching-article-1.1223210

The thought was completely absurd: The woodsy elementary school where Lauren
Rousseau taught was more perilous than a battlefield in Iraq or Kuwait.
And then the substitute teacher was gunned down, one of 26 victims in the
Newtown mass murder.
CLICK HERE TO SIGN THE DAILY NEWS ONLINE PETITION TO BAN ASSAULT WEAPONS
“We have many people in our family who served in the military,” said Teresa
Rousseau at the house that she shared with her daughter, Lauren.
“These are people . . . who survived missions in Iraq and Desert Storm
unscathed, and my daughter walks in to teach a class and has her head blown
off.”


Anthony DelMundo/for New York Daily News
Lauren Rousseau was shot and killed along with 25 others inside Sandy Hook
Elementary.
The still-stunned mother called Tuesday for a new ban on assault rifles like the
one used to kill her daughter.
“They need to take those assault weapons and burn them into a heap . . . maybe
make a bridge out of them,” said Rousseau, 62, at her Danbury, Conn., home.
Lauren, 30, started working at Sandy Hook Elementary School as a substitute
teacher just six weeks ago. Her mother was stunned when lone gunman Adam Lanza,
20, turned the school into an unimaginable crime scene.
RELATED: MORE AMERICANS WERE KILLED BY GUN VIOLENCE LAST YEAR THAN THE NUMBER OF
TROOPS KILLED IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN OVER THE PAST 11 YEARS
“I never thought in my wildest dreams that this would happen to my daughter,”
she said. “She was my little twinkling star, from the day she was born.”
According to Rousseau, the slain teacher’s 2004 Honda Civic — parked outside the
school — was riddled with bullets when authorities removed the vehicle.Rousseau said she was appalled in 2004 when the ban on assault rifles was
allowed to expire.
“Something has to change so these things don’t keep occurring,” she said.
Lauren’s stepfather said the family met with President Obama on Sunday in
Newtown.
“We spoke about guns,” said Bill Leukhardt, 59. “He was very kind, passionate,
intelligent and genuine. I’m still in a fog.”
hkaroliszyn@nydailynews.com

[justdrew]

Apparently only serial killers get the Three Full Legal Name treatment, mass shooters only get First and Last.
I thought referring to heinous folks with full name was intentional journalistic standard so as to not get the ick all over people with the same first & last name.
but I guess that's old school forgotten tech, Israel Keyes isn't having a middle name brought to light either.

[brainpanhandler]

You've been eggcorned.

Is it damnit or dammit?

Oh god, we could just have one thread about dessert, all day, every day.

Here, Here.

[compared2what?]

at the risk of stirring things up i gotta ask, did anyone ever offer a good explanation for the bullet holes in Lauren Rousseau's car?
seems an awful big coincidence if her car just happened to get hit by the same guy who shot her inside the building.
and fwiw, this guy's site seems to suggest the angle of fire was improbable to say the least.
http://usahitman.com/lrcrbh/

I don't know. But....

The official story: Lauren’s car was struck by bullets shot from inside the building.

....where in the ranks of officialdom did that come from? There were shots fired outside the building, since he shot his way into it.

[dbcooper41]

....where in the ranks of officialdom did that come from? There were shots fired outside the building, since he shot his way into it.

shooting his way in would have sent bullets in the opposite direction.
if you look at the pic of her car in the parking lot it is hard to imagine it being hit from inside.
but, even if it was, what are the odds of her car, and her, being hit in the same attack?
has anyone seen any other cars with bullet holes?

[dbcooper41]

Oh god, we could just have one thread about dessert, all day, every day.

excellent idea! i think a seperate thread for dessert pics would be more appropriate. i'm having trouble seeing the conection to the sandy hook shooting.