Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

[drstrangelove]

To me, Zizek really jumped the shark on this analysis. He obviously shares Chomsky's wholly unsupported assumption that mRNA vaccination is both good for the vaccinee and for the rest of society, and by starting with this assumption that he can even begin his bizarre sophistic defense of medical fraud and medical experimentation with clear lack of consent.

Zizek is a totalitarian. He believes individual identity should be fixed to a society, however he also believes society is actually the state, so really he believes individual identity should be fixed to the State. So he approves of the social contract in Western Liberal Democracy but, then rightly points out the issue of pairing this with unlimited private property rights and laissez-faire making the State subservient to an oligarchy.

Which leads him to make these strange conclusions, where by he is acknowledging the corruption of state institutions by private interests, while at the same time legitimising them by suggesting people have a social contract to comply with them.

You can see this entire view in his statement here:

"Many of those who oppose vaccination argue that a vaccine mandate is not only an attack on our personal freedom of choice, but also a violent intrusion into my body comparable to a rape: when I get vaccinated, I am raped by the public, not only by a medical authority… As if our body is ever really just ours. "

He is straight up suggesting that the medical authority is public not private.

Chomsky makes the social contract argument also. I remember in a recent interview him using the false equivalency of an analogy between those who refuse the vaccine and those who refuse to obey traffic lights. And then hilariously went on to cite data or evidence he'd read in the New York Times. It was baffling to me this was the same man who wrote 'Manufacturing Consent'.

[stickdog99]

Well, he wrote the book on that.

[Harvey]

It's been some time since I encountered a new or solid analysis of anything really important from either of them. I've given up imagining that there are good strategic reasons for their reluctance to be effective. Sure, I'm hugely disappointed by both of them, Chomsky in particular. I'm happy to agree to differ with either of them and they can both be pretty agile in narrowly circumscribed areas. Of course I will always appreciate their combined decades of pushing back against the bastards, each in their own way.

To a much greater degree than Zizek, Chomsky is fast becoming a stranger to his own life's work, especially if his born again credulousness is as real as it seems. I agree with Strangelove that there is at least a thread of consistency in Zizek, who, quite understandably at this point, refuses to make new enemies. Nobody could count on him to offer any solutions, after all, he seems content to saw himself in half on the fence for years to come. We'll see.

Unlike Zizek, Chomsky has crossed the line. It wasn't I who declared Chomsky the enemy, that was Mr Chomsky himself.

[Belligerent Savant]

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Fuck them both.





https://twitter.com/BigG_X_/status/1459 ... 87040?s=20

[Harvey]

^ Worth posting the image, WHO's own figures... [Edit] In context, this is around 64 million adverse reactions over the same period that some other medicines listed have racked up as little as seven hundred. Actually, it's double that. 128 million.

[JackRiddler]

Hate to say this -- I really do, for personal reasons -- but it's been a while since Chomsky seemed to cross a certain threshold that arrives sooner or later with advanced age. This is likely but not inevitable or clearly marked; see Daniel Ellsberg for example of a fellow who's still lit.

[Elvis]

Still perplexed by Taiwan.

Taiwan new covid cases Nov-12-21.jpg

[Belligerent Savant]

[drstrangelove]

Don't worry, the guy with the bowtie is interviewing and the guy who looks severely overworked is speaking.

[drstrangelove]

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... eek-42.pdf

The rate of a positive COVID-19 test varies by age and vaccination status. The rate of a positive COVID-19 test is substantially lower in vaccinated individuals compared to unvaccinated individuals up to the age of 29. In individuals aged greater than 30, the rate of a positive COVID-19 test is higher in vaccinated individuals compared to unvaccinated. This is likely to be due to a variety of reasons, including differences in the population of vaccinated and unvaccinated people as well as differences in testing patterns.

The rate of hospitalisation within 28 days of a positive COVID-19 test increases with age, and is substantially greater in unvaccinated individuals compared to vaccinated individuals.

The rate of death within 28 days or within 60 days of a positive COVID-19 test increases with age, and again is substantially greater in unvaccinated individuals compared to fully vaccinated individuals.

Notice how two of the three verses are left objective while the third is subjected to subjective context. This is how the The Science! works. It picks and chooses which verses of its Bible should become doctrine.

If the quantitative results are desired outcomes, they are objective facts. < FAITH!

If the quantitative results are undesired outcomes, they are qualitatively defective and should be doubted. < DOUBT!

[drstrangelove]

Austria is implementing a lockdown for unvaccinated people in two hard-hit regions next week and looks poised to adopt similar measures nationwide, Chancellor Alexander Schallenberg said.

Starting on Monday, unvaccinated people in the regions of Upper Austria and Salzburg will only be allowed to leave home for specific necessary reasons, such as buying groceries or going to the doctor.

- https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/aus ... 598l5.html

It's happening. Forced quarantine camps are almost unavoidable now. For if the unvaccinated are unwilling to comply with home quarantine orders, forced quarantine in a dedicated facility is the only option.

I would say comparisons to Nazi Germany are now warranted.

[Belligerent Savant]

^^^^^^^
None of the above should be a 'surprise', here at least, but it remains a disturbing development. Those living in a country that allocated funds towards developing 'containment/quarantine facilities' over the last several years should be on notice and alert.

The following interview is a good listen:

https://rumble.com/voz363-lets-try-this-again.html

Dr. Malone: “This is the Largest Experiment Performed on Human Beings in the History of the World.”

In an exclusive and explosive one-hour interview with Veronika Kyrylenko of The New American, pioneering mRNA scientist Dr. Robert Malone explains the intensely corrupt workings of the government regulatory bodies that have mismanaged the pandemic, discusses the problems with the vaccine program and delves into potentially explosive and game-changing revelations about the shady origins of the Covid-19 pandemic in Wuhan, China.

It touches on the regulatory capture of the FDA & CDC, as well as an overview of how these mRNA vaccines work (particularly a comparison of the simplified description of spike protein activity as commonly relayed to the public vs what's currently known, or unknown, about spike protein/lipid travel and function once injected into the body), suppression of alternative/early treatments, etc..

[drstrangelove]

This is the new quarantine camp being built in my city. The video is legit, google maps street view confirms it.

It is being called the 'Centre for National Resilience in Melbourne'. Which is an unfortunate name given Melbourne is one of the Rockefeller Foundations 'Resilient' cities: https://www.melbourne.vic.gov.au/about- ... ities.aspx

[Joe Hillshoist]

This is the new quarantine camp being built in my city. The video is legit, google maps street view confirms it.

It is being called the 'Centre for National Resilience in Melbourne'. Which is an unfortunate name given Melbourne is one of the Rockefeller Foundations 'Resilient' cities: https://www.melbourne.vic.gov.au/about- ... ities.aspx

That facility is sposed to be for animal importations isn't it?

[stickdog99]

This is the new quarantine camp being built in my city. The video is legit, google maps street view confirms it.

It is being called the 'Centre for National Resilience in Melbourne'. Which is an unfortunate name given Melbourne is one of the Rockefeller Foundations 'Resilient' cities: https://www.melbourne.vic.gov.au/about- ... ities.aspx

But, but, but, but, I still love mRNA vaccines so much that I also love these totally awesome concentration camps!

I want to share with all of you a perfectly honest answer that I received from someone on a sports message board when I asked the simple question of why Aaron Rodgers (an NBA quarterback who quite rationally explained why he doesn't want to get vaccinated) was generating far more ire than Henry Ruggs III (an NFL receiver who killed someone in a car crash by driving 150 mph). I merely noted that people's intensely hateful reaction to Aaron Rodgers' statements seemed visceral and quasi-religious and definitely went far beyond a mere scientific disagreement.

Here was one of the kinder replies that I received:

You asked an interesting question.

I certainly number myself among those who were disgusted/angry/disappointed with Rogers' conduct and statements in this matter.

Yet when I turn to my own experience (3 Moderna shots), it does carry an element of "magic" for me. I have the certitude that my age alone (83) places me an a category of great risk from this killer disease.

Yet as soon as I was initially vaccinated, I felt fairly invulnerable to it, and that feeling has not ceased up to the present time. While I of course realize that there are "breakthrough cases", I still feel well-protected.

I do not consider my faith in the virus protection as a part of any "quasi-religious" belief system. I feel that it is based upon scientific fact and probabilities.

Yet I do harbor a certain measure of contempt for and anger toward the "you can't tell me what to do" anti-vaxxers, let alone the "Bill Gates wants to control your mind with an impanated chip" idiots, who distinctly remind me of the 1950s John Birch Society "anti-fluoride in the drinking water" campaign as a "communist mind-control plot"

Contempt, because they're hurting themselves and potentially loved ones, and anger, because they're potentially endangering others.

Please note that my question was only downvoted and this reply was only upvoted. I considered crafting an answer to this reply, but I truly don't where to begin without explaining just how similar this current vaccination drive actually is to Edward Bernay's unfathomably successful campaign to make neurotoxic drinking water more desirable to Americans than baseball, hot dogs, apple pie, and Chevrolet combined.