Alien Abductions and the Monarch Project

[kristinerosemary]

fear is the mind-killer

thats one thing about the monarch stuff. It reminds me heaps of Dune.

exactly, how strange.

i'm just reading this book, "Wild Bill Donovan: The Last Hero" by
Anthony Cave Brown, about the formation of the Office of
Strategic Services, the OSS, and the beginnings of the usa central
intelligence structure during 1947.

at one point in this book in ww2 the story turns toward ULTRA.

"...the Allies had a method of ensuring that ... they were
not being victimized by that specter of all intelligence
services -- planted information intended to cause miscalculation...

"That was Ultra, which, by the time [Allen] Dulles was operational,
was being revolutionized by ... the computer. For the first time,
intelligence obtained by humans could be measured and tested
against intelligence obtained by machines ...

"By late 1942 Ultra had become the preeminent source of
Allied intelligence about Germany, and in general outperformed
humans in most intelligence production except political and
social intelligence. No human spy could produce as quickly,
economically, and reliably as Ultra..."

well, say if you were trying to build the perfect Mentat, what
better homage than to combine all your various projects
under the umbrella name of Ultra. i don't know what mk
really meant, if anything.

but.

the mentats in 'Dune' were humans with enhanced capacities,
like sentient machines with exceptional abilities across a wide
range of skills.

apparently dune author frank herbert was basically a pacific northwest
newspaper guy who got interested in science fiction as a way to delve
deeper into some fairly arcane subjects, but it's hard to tell from his
basic bio what led him down the road he travelled.

[LilyPatToo]

As I understand it, "MK" stood for "mind kontrol" (suggestive of Russian). And it was Kathleen Sullivan who spoke of encountering other MC survivors with Theta programming like hers that used a lot of "Dune" references. They'd been trained to use thought energy in all sorts of ways, from healing to killing or maiming an enemy to RV-type work. Specific alters were trained in each specialty, including building up rage and projecting it in a way similar to the war training in "Dune". She said the aim was to cause internal organ implosions.

Herbert had some wierd obsessions around women and mind control--remember the Bene Gesserit? And I have a dim memory of reading another book by Herbert that had powerful women who exerted mind control over men by telepathicaly inducing continuous orgasms--not sure if it was any of the "Dune" books?? Anyway, it showed Herbert's fears of female power and it's also a typical, very male chauvinist preoccupation with fear of female sexuality that is found throughout the mind control programs.

I'm sure there were many MC researchers who stuck to their experiments' stated plans and did not exploit their test subjects, but way too many took extensive advantage of us. The so-called "war of the sexes" was different in the 1950's and I'd be willing to bet that a lot of the current Controllers have created for themselves a false utopian fantasy of compliant, submissive child-like women. It's a pretty consistent fascist fairytale theme.

Thanks for reminding me of Ultra--I'd forgotten about it and never connected it to the name given to the Daddy of all MC programs.

LilyPat

[kristinerosemary]

hi lilypatricia, i read that too in various versions, particularly the one
where kontrol for a russian aspect was spelled kontrolle for a german
one. in some versions of the way projects were assigned letters, i
guess someone at a cubicle somewhere took random or sequential
letters and grabbed the next one on the list. for a long time i've
been reading about the ways bureaucracies function, or fail to
function, and as you noted, the deeply rooted fear and aversion
to women is a paramount feature of the cult and its workings. yes,
eventually the truth shall set you free, but even that motto seems
to have a double or triple meaning.

that was good what you found out about the theta dune thing.
very depressing. and i've never been much of a frank herbert
fancier. david lynch saved his work as far as i can see.

[LilyPatToo]

Oh, NO! Now you've gone and done it--all the fanatical fans of the book "Dune" will descend upon us in fury for our heretical belief that Lynch did a Good Thing with the movie version and not a Bad Thing

But it really interests me how many prominent sci-fi authors were hovering on the nasty fringes of the era's mind control programs. L. Ron Hubbard, of course, was the one who dove in and used mind control knowledge to build a mega-money-generating cult, but he wasn't the only one drawn to fantasies of male domination via psy stuff in that community.

Don't remember if I ever posted about it here, but I was courted by the Scientology bunch for years. It mostly happened at the larger sci-fi conventions, where they had a huge presence. They sponsor art and writing awards for emerging talent that I've always suspected were like nets cast wide for new blood with marketable gifts. Had some missing time with one of the US higher-ups that frightened me into avoidance of their parties...and that was way the heck before I ever heard of mind control or suspected I was in a program.

Mind control wears many masks and has traps laid in some unexpected places.

LilyPat

[kristinerosemary]

well, no offense intended to duneiacs for sure. i just have
kind of a cinematic bias.

scientology at the fringes of sci-fi might be more prevalent
than it may seem at first glance...there's a very long piece
about philip k. dick by paul rydeen in something called
gnostic archives

http://www.gnosis.org/pkd.biography.html

i m too illiterate to know how to imbed links
anyway relevant paragraf, who knew, is this part

rydeen says 'phil was consistent in documenting his major
influences' with the notable exception of robert temple's
sirius mystery and ... scientology

quoting rydeen:

The other major influence which went uncredited may be more of a surprise. It is not a scholarly influence like Temple's, but rather a little known facet of popular culture. The whole idea of an immortal and all-powerful race who build universes out of boredom, fall into them and become trapped because they forget who they are is indeed gnostic in flavor, as many have said. It should be noted, however, that this is exactly what Scientology teaches about the Thetans. WE ARE THE THETANS and we don't even know it.

beats me. i for sure know i am not a thetan but just another garden
variety deathcult reject who watches too many scifi movies. and crypto-scientology
ideas seem to be kind of hovering in the background of lots of them.

[Joe Hillshoist]

Thanks for the replies re Dune.

I reread it the other week.

I dunno if Herbert was aware of MC or like some artists picked up on the concept. I am sure that scifi authors would talk about tech and future trends or pathways, at least correspond about them.

However there was a specific thing that got my attention. At the end of Dune, Paul Atreides and the young Harkonnen have a knife duel. Paul is told by his mum about a word that is implanted into young royalty, a trigger word that causes a conditioned response of about 3 seconds dissassociation, blanking out.

She says to use it if he's losing the fight. There comes a point where he is about to lose, and instead of saying the word he says out loud "I will not say it" or something - this caused momentry confusion in his opponent and he wins the fight anyway, it has exactly the same effect as using the trigger word.

Heinlein and Hubbard seem to be in it up to their necks.

The anti female strain seems stronger in the last two. I have only read Dune, but my understanding of herbert is that he feels female power is mysterious and strrong and beyond his ability to understand. Which is fair enough from my POV. I don't sense the anti female bias in the Bene Gressit. Unless you count the Harkonnens and Imperial court as an anti male bias. The bene Gressit is a secret society with its own agenda, it matches the agenda's of the various Houses, plans within plans etc etc.

Jessica seems like a sympathetic character, she is strong, independant, and although the whole lovey dovey for Duke Leto thing seems a bit odd, its not that different to my wifes attitude to me. Anyone that thinks she isn't her own person and pwerful at that is in for a surprise. Its Jessica's choices that make the whole story happen. She can best the most powerful males in single combat, and she teaches her son well, especially when he kills his first enemy. She puts shit on him so he takes no pride in hs ability to kill.

I doubt you could expect more from men writing about women. Especially men who grew up pre WW2.

But Robert Anton Wilson had a character "Frank Sullivan" in the Illuminatus Trilogy who was a mind controlled assassin. Into to fucking young men and little boys if I remember rightly.

I dunno if Wilson was in on it, his writings to me seem to expose the brain processes that are used by the control freaks, although the models he uses and the models the spooks use may be different.

He is also a male writer with a great attitude to women IMO. Ishtar Rising is a great read and points out the relationship between acceptance of mothering values in a culture and its fascist potential. the more the mothering and female roles are accepted for their own merit values are accepted the less fascism there is.

I don't mean barefoot and in the kitchen popping out babies by that "female values" comment either.

[kristinerosemary]

that's a real good summation of taking writers case by case
and work by work, and that's a good point that many develop
strong women characters and do play fair. i'm not much of a
science fiction reader, but in the movies i've seen of futurist
or alternative reality, many more superheroic types
like lara croft or tank girl or van helsing chum kate beckinsale
are turning up...but my favorite of all are the episodes of
aeon flux, not the charlize theron version but the original
mtv serial by peter chung with robot clone assassin acrobats,
where aeon flux has to die at the end of every installment
in some new bizarre way. and the terse dialog especially is
nicely anarchic. the rotten future society of aeon flux in that
scientific totally powerful state is probably close
to something like what the mk theorists
had in mind for the likes of the rest of us.

many more mk oriented movies on girls with guns dotcom...

[Joe Hillshoist]

I caught a few episodes of that dark Angel thing ... highly sus.

Aeon flux was an awesome animation, it was on tv here years ago.

Sci fi seems a very male oriented male centred thing, (Heinlein's friday is a pretty unbelievable stry for example, like a feminised guy in many ways), but usually its geeky, a bit of a projectionist fantasy. It gets a bit disturbing with things ;like the Gor series tho.

Dunno who wrote or originated that, but it was a bit much, judging by the covers and peoples descripitons.

Whoever wrote that would be an interesting person to link into this quagmire. The whole cncept seems like a fascist wet dream.

[LilyPatToo]

Back in the 50's and even 60's, early 70's, when a lot of that sort of science fiction was being written (by men), its fascist slant wasn't recognized as such, because the US was so different from the way it is now. Men ruled and most women wielded power just within the family. I too think that Heinlein's "Friday" was definitely a masculinized woman--but back then I didn't, living immersed in the male-dominated culture. Then I just wanted to BE her, since she could fight back and I was utterly powerless.

I noticed that "Dark Angel" is being re-run, so TiVo's catching a bunch of them for me to re-watch, with my "new eyes" that are capable of catching mind control program references. It was my favorite TV series at the time it first aired and when it was cancelled, I literally cried. And grieved for years. To me, it was Truth, somehow--all of it: the dystopian, corrupt US and the "program" that cloned and genetically engineered the kids and especially the agent chasing the heroine. It all rang true to me...I wonder how many other unawakened, unknowing "graduates" of the trauma-based programs also got hooked on it and wondered why?

BTW, not to derail this interesting discussion of MC in science fiction, but a friend from another board came up with what might be a stunning (if depressing) theory to explain all the gynecological exams/procedures that I underwent--particularly the MILABs. For many years, I've thought it had to be genetic engineering that required ova--even before I had Clue #1 about mind control (I thought that aliens and military personnel, working together, were doing most of my abductions/missing time).

My friend looked at my sex slave past and asked, "What if that was just the cover story and they were just checking you for STDs?"



That's not HALF as cool as being a source of such superior DNA that I was being farmed for outstanding eggs, is it?!!! OUCH! followed by *DOH*!

LilyPat, Greatly Chastened

[Avalon]

It seems to be an idea accepted by most who have discussed it that Heinlein's super-women were modelled on his wife virginia.

[kristinerosemary]

lilypat, deep empathy for your experiences, and
don't be chastened, because is still unclear why
this all happened. could have been complicated
by many variables, and no need to minimize
this in any way. could have been more like you
thought and less like the other poster thought.

joe, the guy who wrote the Gor series was a
full blown male supremacist... good bio of him
in wikipedia,

their John Norman entry says:

he contends that woman is the submissive natural helper, and figurative slave, of dominant man. His work often takes this observation literally: heroes enslave heroines who, upon being enslaved, revel in the discovery of their natural place.

sounds familiar

much more authenticating detail at wiki...so
your intuition was good

avalon, an interesting point about heinlein's wife
virginia, she sounds like a 'handler,' again wiki
entry on Robert A. Heinlein is most illuminating,
Virginia was also an engineer, was 'first reader' on his manuscripts, influenced him to change his
political viewpoints, and apparently domineered for forty years of marriage...

RAH himself was US Naval Academy, a Navy officer who served in the Philadelphia shipyard as an engineer in 1944, also sounds familiar

sometimes can detect influences of mk theories
and perhaps practices from people's military
occupation specialties and service histories...

but the Navy...

The Navy is very old and very wise.



add:

comes from kipling, first line of 'the fringes
of the fleet.' but the second sentence is even
more telling:

'much of her wisdom is on record and available
for reference; but more of it works in the unconscious blood of those who serve her.'

[hanshan]

...

No single English word takes in the whole sweep of a culture’s
definition of right and wrong; we use terms such as moral order,
convention, normative expectations, ethics, and commonly under-
stood social values. The ancient Greek word that Homer used,
thémis, encomasses all these meanings. A word of this scope is
needed for all the betrayals experienced by Vietnam combat veterans.
In this book I shall use the phrase “what’s right” as an equivalent
of thémis.


Chap. 1, pg 5
Achilles in Vietnam
Combat Trauma and the Undoing of Character
By Jonathon Shay, M.D., PH.D

Homer and the Greek tragic poets held the terrifying view that
apparently stable adult character continues to be dependent and
vulnerable, even after it has been established by good nurturing
in childhood. According to these tragic poets, good character
Is dependent on good-enough stability and reliability of themis
and remains vulnerable to high-stakes betrayal of thémis by
power holders. The moral dimension of trauma destroys virtue,
undoes good character.
Soldiers did not “set themselves up for it” when they received
M-16 rifles that did not work. They did not “ask for it” any more
that an eight-year-old girl or boy “asks for it” when he or she
is raped by a relative. The insistence with which such reflexive
equations as “set himself up for it” and “asked for it” push
forward as an explanation for trauma is a reflection of how
frightening and painful it is to believe accounts of high-stakes betrayal
of “what’s right”. Normal adults wrap thémis around themselves
as a mantle of safety in the world. Every trauma narrative pierces our adult
cloak of safety; it challenges the rightness of thémis and leaves
us terrified and disoriented. This is another powerful motive to
deny the truth of trauma narratives, to avoid hearing them, or to forget
them. (my italics)
When ruptures are too violent between the social realization of
what’s right and the inner thémis of ideals, ambitions, and affiliations,
the inner thémis can collapse.

Ibid., Chap. 2, pg 37

Through [thémis] humans can make themselves stable….
Annihilation of convention [thémis] by another’s acts
Can destroy…stable character... It can, quite simply
Produce bestiality, the utter loss of human relatedness

Martha C. Nussbaum,
The Fragility ofGgoodness: Luck and Ethics
In Greek Tragedy and Philosophy

....

[hanshan]

....


The Ten Major Principles of the Gnostic Revelation

1. The creator of this world is demented.

2. The world is not as it appears, in order to hide the evil in it, a delusive veil obscuring it and the deranged deity.

3. There is another, better realm of God, and all our efforts are to be directed toward
a. returning there
b. bringing it here

4. Our actual lives stretch thousands of years back, and we can be made to remember our origin in the stars.

5. Each of us has a divine counterpart unfallen who can reach a hand down to us to awaken us. This other personality is the authentic waking self; the one we have now is asleep and minor. We are in fact asleep, and in the hands of a dangerous magician disguised as a good god, the deranged creator deity. The bleakness, the evil and pain in this world, the fact that it is a deterministic prison controlled by the demented creator causes us willingly to split with the reality principle early in life, and so to speak willingly fall asleep in delusion.

6. You can pass from the delusional prison world into the peaceful kingdom if the True Good God places you under His grace and allows you to see reality through His eyes.

7. Christ gave, rather than received, revelation; he taught his followers how to enter the kingdom while still alive, where other mystery religions only bring about amnesis: knowledge of it at the "other time" in "the other realm," not here. He causes it to come here, and is the living agency to the Sole Good God (i.e. the Logos).

8. Probably the real, secret Christian church still exists, long underground, with the living Corpus Christi as its head or ruler, the members absorbed into it. Through participation in it they probably have vast, seemingly magical powers.

9. The division into "two times" (good and evil) and "two realms" (good and evil) will abruptly end with victory for the good time here, as the presently invisible kingdom separates and becomes visible. We cannot know the date.

10. During this time period we are on the sifting bridge being judged according to which power we give allegiance to, the deranged creator demiurge of this world or the One Good God and his kingdom, whom we know through Christ.

To know these ten principles of Gnostic Christianity is to court disaster.

[11:11]

Hey, you guys. Though I'm not participating in this thread, something came up in a mind control thread at Unknown Country, that I wanted to share.

We were talking about Jack Parsons of JPL, and the occult crap all of the rocket guys were into. I found that Parsons wife, Marjorie Cameron, had been in sex magik flick, and there was a mention of a humonculous. That means "little man", and the alchemists were always trying to create these things. Anyway, a bigger picture flashed before my eyes, and I wanted to share it. Maybe I'm full of shit, but I don't think so. Here's my post from UC, which I'll throw into the mix:

I'm sort of a "big picture" thinker, pathetic with the details. When I read the Wiki thing on the humonculous, something hit me like a ton of bricks, after I pondered it. Stay with me, for a moment, while I try to explain, what my dawned on me.

All of this stuff (magik) originates with the occult. I don't mean in the root sense of the word (occult means hidden). I'm talking about ritual magik, and occult practices. Unfortunately, as we learn more about it, we see that the occult has informed everything about our society. Look at the religions, and their history of blood sacrifice (I *think* we can exclude the Buddhism, here). These religions have followed us into today (though most have no conception of the real history). The secret societies are steeped in this same knowledge, and we have adopted their practices, as well, without knowing it. What is the uniform of business? Suit and TIE. The tie is from Freemasonry. That is their uniform. People march off to temples, and synagogues, and chruches. All of those structures come from the occult, yet they are a regular part of the lives of people who would shudder at the thought. The God in this system is the material, and money. Look at the money. What's on it? Occult symbols! Are you with me so far? We are a culture steeped in this stuff, even if we don't know it. We know, from reading about the rocket guys, and the SRI guys, that they were up to their necks in this stuff, AND science. Now, modern day science, make no mistake, is alchemy. It was the alchemists who had this weird notion about the humonculous. If you read the Wiki piece, you see that variations, on how to create this thing, arose. Different groups, different times, etc. The essence is, trying to take organic or inoragnic matter, and turn it into something else. Something alive. Now, this gets me thinking about the allegories we have been given about Creation. Different systems, same story. GOD became many, and all that is came to be. Some of that, was not content, and wanted to BE the Creator. Fallen angels, Lucifer, whatever. We know that nobody can create life. It can't be done in a beaker, or by burying a chicken egg mixed with sperm and herbs. The occultists just can't seem to get past this. They want their humonculous. Well, I contend, that the alchemists, i.e., modern day science, is doing just that. Remember, western science, as an institution, is informed by the past, like everything else. These people who are doing genetic engineering, and horrible animal and human experiments, are using the raw materials (LIVING BEINGS), put here by the Creator, and they are trying to change them into something else. Just like the alchemists of old. What is going on in labratories, is ritual magik. An abomination. Science is STILL trying to make life in it's image. Did you see that the Wiki piece said that Frankenstein's monster was an example of a humonculous? Did you know that a "respected" scientist severed the heads of two chimps, and transplanted one head on the other body, at Case Western University? Did you see the chimp on UC's homepage news with human genes? They have been splicing the DNA of everything they can get their hands on, from plants to animals to humans, working their evil ritual magik in labratories. Now I understand what OSR has been saying, when she says western society is CULT. I can't tell you how many times I thought she was exaggerating, or flat out wrong. She is right. These same black, Luciferan, occult priests are still trying to work their magik. And, the really scary part is, that most of us just accept it. What we have, due to our ignorance, is something not only monsterous, but inauthentic. A cheap and ugly imitation of the real thing. These are violations of the highest order, and they are the bedrock of modern, western values. Grapple with that one.

And, btw, there have been teachers and gurus who have told us this. The trouble is, it's always couched in vernacular that is obscure, and difficult to understand. Or, we get caught up in talking about quantum physics, and mythological tales, so it makes it pretty hard to see it right in front of your face. This science/alchemy thing is a real life example of what they've been trying to tell us. These labratory Dr. Frankensteins are the fallen angels, and we have bought it as authentic.

In addition to the abominations that we KNOW are going on, there are, certainly, many that we don't know about. Is this what the missing fetus thing is about? Add in technology. Could some of the greys and other freaky life forms be a mixture of earthly life and technology, cooked up in labs by these black magicians-come-"scientists"? And, now that I'm going on this, I recall the Wiki piece talking about sperm being used to make a humonculous. How many "alien" abductees have had sperm extracted?

I think this may shed a new light on the oft used term "hybrid".

http://www.unknowncountry.com/board/mes ... 1175578453

[kristinerosemary]

michael herr in 'dispatches' ended his book by saying

Vietnam Vietnam we've all been there.

in a sense the critical component
of 'themis' was lost long ago
and became just conversation
in a time with no moral compass.

long ago i looked into every book i could find about
vietnam and the one hanshan cites is probably
among the most important, maybe the one i was
looking for and the one i missed, about combat
trauma and the undoing of character.

there is also the trauma of the witness. herr
tells what he thought was the precise vietnam
experience: 'Patrol went up the mountain. One
guy came back. He died before he could tell us
what happened.'

i did not understand this story until many years
later and was very sorry when i finally did.

phil dick had some serious trauma of other kinds,
and in the 'exegesis,'
where hanshan's ten gnostic principles came from,
dick tried to analyze or interpret
the visions he received from the
'vast active living intelligence system,' valis,
but it took him eight thousand pages
and a million words
and he still wasn't done.

this offworld intel or 'reality generator'
made him realize that history stopped
and the roman empire never ended.

which brings us to eleven eleven's
eloquent post about the ways
alchemical western society
is based on a Cult.

the cult is very old and
very close to falling apart,
but sometimes i think
a natural human life span
is too short to see
how the ending comes about.

to tie in the homunculus
with the chemical wedding
and the philosopher's stone
is probably the neverending side trip,
and eleven eleven's ideas
are probably a lot closer to the mark.