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Postby LilyPatToo » Wed Feb 21, 2007 10:44 pm

Yeah, that is a problem. But I keep thinking that there HAVE to be experts out there who are not spychiatrists--and who were not convinced by the spychiatrists to follow the Controllers' party line-- who could verify this stuff. I'm currently reading the Candy Jones book (by Donald Bain) and there's a Dr. Herbert Spiegel who wrote the introduction. He's aware of the crap that went on in the CIA mind control programs and understands the full power of hypnosis on people like me. There's an article here othat mentions him in connection with the RFK murder -- http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/6169006.stm --and his son is doing similar work at SRI here in the Bay Area. Together, they authored "Trance and Treatment: Clinical Uses of Hypnosis".

Not all psychology researchers are "dirty". The trick is to find the ones who aren't. So far, I've not managed to connect with one that I trust, mostly due to bad timing and my own phobias and paranoia. I suspect that a lot of survivors of trauma-based programming have a lot of trust issues and concurrent mental problems that isolate them and prevent meaningful intervention.

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Postby marmot » Wed Feb 21, 2007 11:19 pm

LilyPat, Stanford Research Institute is as dirty as they come. Some people say SRI is the "top NWO mind control organization in the United States."

Have you read Fritz Springmeier's The Illuminati Formula Used to Create an Undetectable Total Mind Controlled Slave? If you haven't make sure you read the INTRODUCTION AND WARNING first. It's a thick and difficult read, but as far as I know there is not another soul out there (besides the perps) who has a better understanding of trauma-based mind control programming then Springmeier.
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Postby LilyPatToo » Thu Feb 22, 2007 12:36 am

Have you ever been to Stanford? It's a *huge* place with a very large teaching and research staff. It hosted MKULTRA programs 40-50 years ago, but then, so did many, many other prominent universities/research institutes. That doesn't automatically mean that all or even any of them are still on the MC bandwagon. Faculties change, as does administration. It *may* be, but none of the links that I have to MC programs there are recent--if you know of any, though, I'd appreciate URLs, since it's local for me.

I have a feeling, based upon circumstantial evidence, that I was programmed at UC Berkeley a dozen or more years ago and prominent faculty members were associated with MKULTRA many years before that...but that doesn't mean that it's still a programming center.

Remember that MKULTRA was a very long time ago. Most of the perps are dead. My current suspicion is that the intelligence agencies began farming out the trauma-based programs back around the time of the Church Committee hearings. SAPs (Special Access Projects) are damned near untraceable once they move into the private sector.

Just my current take on it--I'm always open to new information.

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Postby marmot » Thu Feb 22, 2007 1:22 am

I don't know. In my mind, for reasons of their history, SRI remains highly highly suspect. This sort of Power, once it has an institutional stronghold somewhere, is not likely to give it up. University systems are absolute in their control over new appointments, programs and enterprises. The old school will effectively determine the new. This, of course, is mere conjecture on my part, but because "MKULTRA was a very long time ago", only means, for me, that its effects are now exponentially pervasive.
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Arachnid Anna...Oops

Postby erosoplier » Thu Feb 22, 2007 2:09 am

Having a baby-talk character in one's repertoire seems to be fairly common, especially among self-absorbed young girls (and camp guys?). And the richer you are, the less likely that age and fading beauty will demand that the baby-talk crap be dropped.

I guess you can look on what Anna Nicole is doing in that video as being the product of an "alter," but I think the programming for such characters can be, and most often is, completely "open-source." I've never been a fan of baby-talking to infants - coochie coochie cooing etc - and I wonder, do people grow this kind of baby-character by being subjected to baby-talk in their infancy, and by practicing it regularly from then on? (She and the males in her life remind me of some kind of wacky spider mating ritual. Everybody's spun their fancy webs of deceit to attract their mate/meal ticket, everyone's acting all coy and innocent, there are numerous attempts to screw one another, and at the end of the day, someone pays with their life).

The last reality show I watched - a "Big Brother" - had a hot young thing in it, all state-of-the-art cool, all sexually experienced and mature, supposedly, who had a baby act she'd slip into. I remember it because it struck me as being so uncool and embarassingly unsophisticated. Maybe she was a mind control victim too (that is "real and sinister" MC, not "coochie coo open source" MC)? Maybe. If she isn't, she's just an adult with a spoilt, selfish, whiney, conniving, manipulative childish act that she derives pleasure from and which she uses to get what she wants. Surely not every spoilt brat with a baby-act is a victim of mind control? Surely most of them, if they continue using this act into adulthood, are as much perpetrators of mind control as they are victims of it?
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Postby LilyPatToo » Thu Feb 22, 2007 4:41 pm

erosoplier, I suspect that 99.9% of all baby-talk eruptions are other-than-MC. But that leaves a tiny but tremendously important number of them that ARE the result of mind control.

And since the number of little girls who are sexually abused to the point of developing multiple personality disorder (DID) is astronomical, most of the women with a little girl persona are probably exhibiting genuine child alternate personalities. Not classic mind control, but still symptomatic of severe child abuse.

I would think that the benefit of the doubt would be extended to any woman who exhibited this kind of behavior....why is it that you do not? I get a definite negative vibe from your post that seems to show a mindset that is resentful of women who--just maybe--are demonstrating the symptoms resulting from terrible sexual abuse. Why is that?

If there are posers and whiners doing it (and I'm certain that there are), how does that invalidate the Real Thing when it surfaces? Why the knee-jerk assumption that Anna Nichole was one of those and not a survivor of abuse? She had many other symptoms of it--especially her work in sex exploitative stripper clubs and her sexual promiscuity. Are you not unconsciously aiding the cover-up in the Western World of an epidemic of pedophilia by automatically writing off/dismissing any symptoms as an "act"?

Please understand that I'm not attacking you when I ask these questions. I want people to become aware of exactly how mass mind control works and one of the ways is to invalidate the victims--over and over again.

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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Thu Feb 22, 2007 8:58 pm

Open source mind control:

A major US study has concluded that a generation of young girls is being psychologically damaged by a culture of sexualisation.

The report by the American Psychological Association says women and girls are depicted in a sexualised manner throughout US culture - on television and the Internet, in movies, music videos, magazines and video games.

The study says it is leading to eating disorders, low self-esteem, depression and poor academic performance.

The association says the main culprit is television. Nearly 70 per cent of American children have a TV set in their bedroom.

Through it, they are bombarded with images of girls as sexual objects valued only in terms of how attractive or sexy they are.


From here:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/20 ... 852640.htm


Surely everyone has noticed this over the last 5 or 10 years, maybe more...

Lilypat, i think that there is a difference between abuse induced baby behaviour and the put on sort that results from sexualisation.

I experienced something that was very odd once. A girl I know who was abused from the age of 3 regressed to pre abuse mindset in my presence once.

it was very strange. She seemed like a completely different person, and even if she was not behaving the way she did as a child she was entering a personality construct that was very different to her normal self, but could easily have been her as a young innocent child. She could have been regressing, or developing a personality that enabled her to behave with the trust of a pre abuse victim...

I dunno her story is a bit full on and I have posted on it here before. Sometimes I suspect she was a victim of some MC RA agenda.

I don't think the two ideas are mutually exclusive. I think it makes perfect sense that research on how to sexualise individuals could then be applied to a society.
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Postby erosoplier » Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:45 pm

LilyPat, I don't feel attacked - I'm actually glad for the opportunity to say a few things here. And I'm not trying to attack you either, I'm just genuinely unsure about the various issues being touched upon here, and where each begins and ends. And I've been genuinely unsure about them for quite a while now - it's starting to become quite annoying!

Regarding Anna Nicole, there comes a point in everyone's life (with luck) where, no matter what got done to you, you realise that you are only hurting yourself by continuing to allow it, whatever "it" was, to drive your behaviour. If Anna Nicole was smart enough to be a Playboy bunny, if she was smart enough to marry a very old rich guy, she should have been smart enough to take a moment somewhere in the many years of her life to take a good hard look at herself, and the world. And she doesn't appear to have done this. Life can be cruel, life can be hard, but it gets a whole lot crueler and harder than the conditions Anna Nicole experienced. She doesn't need extra pity from me now that she's dead, just in case she was a victim of abuse or MC. (The only thing that makes me pity her is the thought that she may have been murdered). What she needed was for someone to encourage her to snap out of the silly little world she inhabited when she was alive. But I'm guessing she would have strenuously resisted any such encouragement. Again, as much reason for scorn as pity, in my opinion.

(This post is turning into a mish-mash of ideas, so I'll slip this one in here: Regressing to a childish state of mind isn't necessarily pathological, btw. It can be a symptom of a damaged personality, it can be tactic used to manipulate others, but it can be a way for the personality as a whole to go where it needs to go in order to remain healthy, or to regain health even).

Yes, it's true, I'm angry at women - angry and resentful (I'm angry at men too, if that's any consolation!). Some look at a strip club and see exploited young women who quite likely were abused as children, others look and see pretty young girls who use their bodies and their beauty to extract money from the greedy and weak boys that frequent the place. Others again look and see a demand being met by a supply, and feel all warm and fuzzy inside at the percieved beauty of the inherent symmetry and perfection of the exchange. I don't know what the truth is...but you want me only to automatically pity such girls? Not likely.

But strip clubs are just an extreme case of a more general situation. Relations between men and women seem to have become more and more about mutual exploitation than anything else. The ego has taken charge of something only the id should be responsible for organising. Too much ego and sex, not enough id and love.

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I'm no stranger to the idea that child abuse is a widespread phenomenon. I guess reading Jeffrey Masson introduced me to the idea. Funny story with that is, after reading Masson's book, I later did a few gender studies units at Uni, and the young feminist lecturer wouldn't hear a good word about Masson.

One idea which I will share, because I think it's worthy of at least a once-over, is the question of exactly how damaging child sexual abuse is in and of itself, and how much more damaging does it become for the victim once, as the years pass, the realisation dawns that there is a huge universally accepted spiteful hatred of the child abuser, and that as a victim of a child abuser, the child/young adult is, now and forever, associated with a behaviour which is universally hated, and universally considered to be profoundly wrong. This kind of guilt on its own can be crushing.
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understanding dissociation and mind control

Postby marmot » Thu Feb 22, 2007 11:58 pm

Most people do not understand the dissociative phenomenon of multiply personalities. Regression is a defense mechanism of a different order than what happens when someone switches personalities and fronts a child alter.

And real mind control victims are most often, if not entirely, powerless against their programs, their controllers. If in fact Anna Nicole was a victim of mind control she would be virtually unable to “snap out of the silly little world she inhabited.” Sadly but truly, she would be at the severe mercy of her handlers.

erosoplier, tell me what you think of Fritz Springmeier's now classic work on mind control The Illuminati Formula Used to Create an Undetectable Total Mind Controlled Slave
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Svali Speaks

Postby marmot » Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:06 am

Also I'd highly recommend: "Svali Speaks" link

About the author:
Hi, my name is Svali. Both I and my entire family were involved in a cult group until several years ago, when we broke free. I used to be a programmer in the cult, and now I want to share the knowledge that I have to help others.

It is possible to break free of cult abuse if a person is involved. It is a long, heart-breaking process, but well worth it. In the articles that I will be providing, I hope to help the survivor of cult abuse find tools to help in their journey towards freedom.

I have been a consultant to an on-line survivors group that helps people dealing with issues related to cult programming and becoming free, for the past year and a half. I myself have been in therapy for ritual abuse and DID for nine years, with the last five being aware of the recent cult abuse.

I have also self-published a book on breaking free of cult programming, which several experts in the field have said has "invaluable information" for the survivor of ritual abuse.

Both my ex-husband and my two children broke free of cult abuse last year. My children are living with me while my husband is working on healing. They all have DID (dissociative identity disorder, formerly known as multiple personality disorder) as well, which makes life at home interesting! I am currently married to my second husband, who is also a recovered DID and who got out of the cult five years ago.


Chapter 1:

* 1)An overview of the Illuminati
* 2.)Hierarchy of the Illuminati
* 3.)How the Illuminati Make Money

Chapter 2: Jobs in the Illuminati (Or Why They Spend All That Time Training Everybody)

Chapter 3: Conspiracy Theory Two, or The Illuminati Plan to Rule The World. (Also know as "Novus Ordem Seclorum)

Chapter 4:How the Illuminati Program People

Chapter 5: Colors, Metals and Jewel Programming

Chapter 6: Brain Wave Programming

Chapter 7: Military Programming

Chapter 8: CIA , Governmental, and Scholarship programming

Chapter 9: Programming Linked to Stories, Movies, Cartoons, or role Play Dramatization

Chapter 10: The Sixth step of Discipline: Betrayal; twinning; internal walls, structures, geometry

Chapter 11: Suicidal Programming

Chapter 12: Preventing Reaccessing of the Survivor

Chapter 13: Shell programming, Internal Councils, Human Experimentation, Function Codes

Chapter 14: Spiritual Programming

Chapter 15: Core splits, Denial programming, the last Five Steps of Discipline Virtual Reality Programming
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Oy....where to start

Postby LilyPatToo » Fri Feb 23, 2007 1:15 am

There's much food for thought (and argument) in your post, erosoplier, but the thing I think I'd like to address first is this:
She doesn't need extra pity from me now that she's dead, just in case she was a victim of abuse or MC. (The only thing that makes me pity her is the thought that she may have been murdered). What she needed was for someone to encourage her to snap out of the silly little world she inhabited when she was alive. But I'm guessing she would have strenuously resisted any such encouragement. Again, as much reason for scorn as pity, in my opinion.

Leaving all else aside, if she was indeed a victim of mind control, then she would not have been capable of deciding to "snap out of it". She wouldn't have been capable of thinking clearly at all. Mind control isn't something you wake up one morning and decide not to do anymore. If a woman being used as a sex slave is young and beautiful, then she's going to be "heavily handled"--the person who is her handler is going to keep her confused, drunk, drugged, traumatized and above all *dissociated* most of her waking hours.

Life does not make sense when a person is living under mind control--you have no self-esteem, no boundaries at all and no belief that you deserve anything better. And you have a handler whose job it is to keep you so far off-balance emotionally and mentally that you’re unable to think ahead at all. You just survive that minute/hour/day, living most of your life in a no-time dissociated state. Alternate personalities switch in and out and keep you functioning, especially if you’re interacting with outsiders--normal people who have no idea what you are. And YOU do not know what you are.

I realize that to a free, ordinary person, this sounds impossibly bizarre. But it’s been done to non-consenting people in this country for over 50 years now. Many of us are dead and many more are living such chaotic lives that we have no idea what happened to us. Some of us are so badly damaged that we’re incarcerated in jails or mental institutions, others are fairly functional. But we all have Post Traumatic Stress Disorder and Dissociative Identity Disorder and, usually, chronic severe depression. I was 57 and not being accessed often anymore when an alter surfaced and I began to find out what had happened to us.

Jeff has done some excellent articles on this and I hope you’ll take the time to read them. I especially recommend his 4 part interview with Kathleen Sullivan -- http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/02/interview-with-kathleen-sullivan-part.html She’s an intelligent woman who lived as a slave for most of her life, managed to finally break free and now is an activist. Her site is the NAFF --http://naffoundation.org/new_visitors_page.htm Another survivor’s page is Carol Rutz’s -- http://www.wanttoknow.info/nationbetrayed10pg And there are many more, but that’s a start. I realize how strange this must sound to anyone encountering it for the first time. And I’m not saying that Anna Nichole was definitely a subject in a mind control program, but your response to her shows a complete lack of comprehension of what her life would have been like if she were one. I had to try to get you to see how helpless she would have been and how much she would have been deserving of the compassion of all free individuals.

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On edit: Doesn't she deserve compassion even if she's just a woman who made bad choices? The woman in that video was in terrible shape. She'd dissociated to a child alter state, which is a pretty sure sign to me that she was severely abused at around that age.

Please, don't buy into any world-view that says that sexually assaulting a child is not horrific, frightening and painful for the child...the shape they're in years later is due to *trauma* and has very little to do with how the people around her view her. You're intellectualizing around victimization of a helpless child by a much more powerful adult. Try imagining how that *feels* instead of philosophizing about it. You sound as if you're in danger of losing (or of not developing) empathy for other people's pain. To me, we are human in direct proportion to our empathy and our capacity for compassion.
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Re: Oy....where to start

Postby Fat Lady Singing » Fri Feb 23, 2007 2:54 am

LilyPat--I'm sure this must have been painful for you to write about, but you should know that you described the hellish predicament so clearly, succinctly, and well that only the most stone-hearted could fail to understand and empathize.

I'd like to add that much of what you describe goes for people who have experienced spousal abuse or domestic violence as well. My mother was terribly abused by her husband, and for years I tried to get her to leave him. She eventually did, after he almost killed her. He made her abandon her career, give up friendships, alienate her only child (me), restrict her movements, until all she had was abuse and booze. But in her mind--a brilliant mind, well-educated in sociology, criminology, and psychology--she construed it as "at least she had" rather than "all she had," if I'm expressing it clearly.

At a certain point I realized that abuse changes the abused's reality. The entire world is different for an abused person. Abused people lose trust in their own decision-making abilities. They may see the abuser as, oddly enough, a point of stability in their lives. Things that seem absurd to someone who has never experienced abuse seem like simple logic to someone who has, and vice versa.

And it's not that they're wrong--it's their world, their reality. And I do mean an unqualified real reality here. It's not just "in their minds" or some moral failing that landed them in hot water and they're just too lazy to get themselves out of it. If you were in that world, those rules of logic would apply equally to you.

We who haven't been subjected to abuse should strive to understand and enable empathy for those who have been abused, whether as a result of an MC program, SRA, government-sanctioned torture of "terrorists," or domestic violence. Yet--and we should count ourselves very lucky indeed if this is the case--if we haven't been to that version of reality, all we can really do is read the "Rough Guide" or "Lonely Planet" tourbook.

Please, those of us who are fortunate enough not to have experienced these horrors, please, let's all try not to be the stereotypical Ugly Americans in this world.
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Re: understanding dissociation and mind control

Postby erosoplier » Fri Feb 23, 2007 5:05 am

marmot wrote:erosoplier, tell me what you think of Fritz Springmeier's now classic work on mind control The Illuminati Formula Used to Create an Undetectable Total Mind Controlled Slave


marmot, I've never read it, and to be honest, when I have a browse through it I get the urge to be harshly skeptical about it. None of us are able to cover all of the territory that's out there waiting to be covered, and maybe this MC territory just isn't for me. I have no personal experience with it, and personally know no one who has. I grew up and live in the outer suburbs of the known universe after all - nowhere near the thick of it.

I have covered quite a lot of ground in the area of alternative psychology over the years, and I like to think I've struck upon some of the more sensitive thinkers out there, and the thing is, before beginning an exploration of the internet only 2 years ago now, I had never come across even the hint of such a thing as "The Illuminati Formula Used to Create an Undetectable Total Mind Controlled Slave."

Even if Springmeier's exposition is quite accurate, for better or worse, I personally have nothing to offer that fight directly. Indirectly, by fighting for an honest money system first and foremost, and for fair, sensible and democratic economic policies in general, and simply by spreading accurate information to counter mainstream media fairytales, I'm convinced any Illuminati out there can be shaken down from the trees. This would hopefully strike at the root of the problem - a detailed study of our captors and the cage which imprisons us can be useful, but what we really need is to escape the cage.
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Postby erosoplier » Fri Feb 23, 2007 5:06 am

LilyPat, thanks for the links - I will explore them more, but again, it's foreign territory for me, and it may turn out to be not for me.

Re. Anna Nicole, thinking again about what was going on in that video, I have to say my view has changed - I can't say that it is very unlikely that she is a real and true mind control victim. There was what sounded like loving kindness in the boyfriend's voice. And yet there she was, wacked out of her brain and very pregnant. And he sounded sober as a judge. That's what is wrong with that picture. I guess my pre-existing opinion of her stopped me from seeing that first time around.

I'd like to know more about who gave the video to the media.
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Postby Gouda » Fri Feb 23, 2007 6:13 am

I can't recommend this board's search engine enough.

There are a wealth of great discussions - and you can be sure Fritz Springmeier and Svali have been discussed here before (just run a search of 'svali' or 'Fritz Springmeier') and I think these past discussions can be great resources, supplementing present discussions, informing new members, etc...

If anyone is interested, good discussion here, among other places on this board:

Deliverance ministries, ritual abuse and the ‘Illuminati’

http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board/v ... li&start=0
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