The Tasering Will Continue Until You All Submit!

[11:11]

Look at this lying bunch of bullshit from CNN!

Cops on leave after Taser incident, student's behavior under scrutiny

CNN) -- Two University of Florida police officers were placed on leave with pay after using an electronic stun gun to subdue a student who was questioning Sen. John Kerry at a campus forum, the school's president said Tuesday.

But the student's behavior and past activities are prompting questions about whether the incident was part of a stunt.

The Florida Division of Law Enforcement will investigate Monday's arrest of Andrew Meyer, said University of Florida President J. Bernard Machen. Machen called the incident "regretful for us."

"The thing that I regret is that civil dialogue and civil discourse did not happen," Machen said. "That's fundamental to a university campus. Why it didn't happen is what we're trying to sort out."

During Monday's forum, Meyer came to the microphone to question the 2004 Democratic presidential nominee from Massachusetts.

"You will take my question because I have been listening to your crap for two hours," Meyer told Kerry, according to the police report of the incident.


LIARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



He then turned to a woman and said "Are you taping this? Do you have this? You ready?" the report said.

Clarissa Jessup, who contributed I-Report video of the incident to CNN, said Meyer gave her his camera and asked her to shoot video of him posing his questions to Kerry.

Organizers had cut off questioning before Meyer went to the microphone, she said. Watch Jessup describe the incident


KERRY INVITED HIS QUESTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We have the goddamned video!


Meyer asked Kerry why he did not contest his loss to President Bush in the pivotal state of Ohio over allegations that African-American voters were disenfranchised.

Meyer also questioned Kerry about why he did not support impeaching Bush and whether he belonged to the Yale University secret society Skull and Bones, as Bush did.

One of the police officers on the scene observed that Meyer was "yelling as loud as he could as to sensationalize his presence," according to the police report.

Meyer had about a minute and a half at the microphone before police stepped in to haul him away. As he tried to escape their grip, Kerry protested, "That's all right, let me answer his question."

But as Meyer repeatedly questioned why he was being arrested, officers dragged him to the back of the auditorium and then used a Taser on him when he continued to struggle.

While Kerry pleaded for calm, officers warned the student he would be shocked if he did not stop resisting.

Meyer responded, "What did I do? Get off me ... get the f--- off me, man, I didn't do anything. Don't Tase me, bro, I didn't do anything."

Police noted that his demeanor "completely changed once the cameras were not in sight" and described him as laughing and being lighthearted as he was being driven to the Alachua County Detention Center.

"I am not mad at you guys, you didn't do anything wrong. You were just trying to do your job," Meyer said, according to the police report.



(MOST COPS LIE and these were campus police fucktards who can't even make the official police force, i.e., LOSERS.)



At one point, he asked whether there were going to be cameras at the jail, according to the report.

Meyer was charged with resisting arrest with violence -- a felony -- and a misdemeanor count of disturbing the peace. He was released without having to post bond Tuesday.

Machen said the clips posted online paint an incomplete picture of the scene. Watch the university's reaction

University spokesman Steve Orlando said before police moved in, Meyer was asked to relinquish the microphone because he was "being disruptive."

But the arrest triggered a protest by a group of University of Florida students Tuesday. One of them, Benjamin Dictor, called the arrest "an assault on reason itself."

"For a question to be met with arrest, not to mention physical violence, is completely unacceptable in the United States," Dictor said.

Some students cheered Meyer's removal, and others looked on quietly. But several screamed in protest when officers prepared to shock him.

Meyer was carrying a business card advertising "TheAndrewMeyer.com 'Speak My Mind,' " the police report said.

The Web site features videos of Meyer taking part in several practical jokes. It also includes a "disorganized diatribe" that criticizes the war in Iraq and the media.

The Web site said his friends had posted coverage of his arrest.

In a statement issued Tuesday, Kerry said he didn't know a Taser had been used on the student until after he left the event, and said he hoped no one was injured.

"In 37 years of public appearances, through wars, protests and highly emotional events, I have never had a dialogue end this way," he said.

"I believe I could have handled the situation without interruption, but again, I do not know what warnings or other exchanges transpired between the young man and the police prior to his barging to the front of the line and their intervention."


DID ANYONE SEE ANY "BARGING"???????????????????




Machen said authorities have not determined whether Tasers were used improperly.



LET'S CALL IT WHAT IT IS - PAIN COMPLIANCE, i.e., TORTURE




In addition, he said a student-faculty review panel will examine "all of our protocols relative to student dialogue and faculty interaction" in the wake of the incident.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/18/studen ... index.html



Additionally, I saw a CNN early morning show, today. The female anchor said, as they went to break, that they would be back with more on the taser story and that it was "really a hoot".


WAKE UP AMERICA

[mentalgongfu2]

Distraction mechanism.

Instead of focusing on the arrest or Newspeak "detainment" of the man, the focus has been placed on the Tazer.


The overuse of the Tazer by police is an important issue, but the publicly and legally accepted reasons to arrest somebody are the real fear factors coming from this thing, the more I think about it.

Since I no longer have a TV, I didn't realize how much attention this video was getting.

A local radio talk host was discussing the video this afternoon, and although he sometimes seems pretty reasonable to me, he sounded like he was enjoying listening to the guy's yelps as he was getting tazed. He even argued with a caller against the idea that the "ow ow ow" was fake, and he kept playing the clip. He said the guy who asked John Kerry some relevant and politically uncorrect questions would become a born-again conservative once he learned how "the real world works."

To me, it was a sad sign of the times. Dissent has been demonized, but only a certain type of dissent. You can basically hate anything or anyone you want, as long as you "Support the troops."

America is taking the middle path to Tyranny, and the benefactors would have us believe any turn from the path, must be to the Left or the Right, as if there were only three directions in the Universe.

[11:11]

mentalgongfu2, well said. The new left has shown what's it's made of - a bunch of spineless automatons wo actually cheered and clapped when the guy was dragged off. Despicable cowards and authoritarian punks.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Yike, that CNN distortion is pretty bald.
Luckily, the first few reader's comments to the CNN page say that the cops are lying and the video proves it.

But CNN is CIA. They will round out the corners on anything that puts a point on realities they don't want 'the kids' to know. (Didn't Blackwater just slaughter a bunch of Iraqis again? Good time to have us watch this show.)

They can take advantage of the relatively low number of people who will watch the actual event video. It is plenty easy to just spin the words and meet people's preconceived notions.
"A real hoot." Yah, hooting in tazer agony. I despise the shills. I really do.

This bald lying tactic is called the Tin Rats technique by former Underwriters Laboratories manager, Kevin Ryan. He was comparing the bogus NIST report and fudged data to the 23 volumes of the Warren Commission. He came up with the acronym, TNRATS which stands for:
"They'll Never Read All This Stuff."

The thing about campuses right now is that David Horowitz is going to do a week of 'we hate Islamofascism' activities on, he claims, 200 campuses the week of October 22-26 so I'll bet that TPTB don't want the kids all riled up and ready to not take it anymore.
They want them docile and ready to watch the Horowitz show.

Y'know, as the cop action went down the other students did a normal thing, they watched for a bit to see what would happen. When the tazering started they got riled against that. That's not totally zombying out. That's what people do in groups sitting for what was a coupla hours before suddenly this went down.

So don't make a big deal out of the dynamic. I'm not saying its good. I'm saying it is normal human behavior to spectate.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

mentalgongfu2, well said. The new left has shown what's it's made of - a bunch of spineless automatons wo actually cheered and clapped when the guy was dragged off. Despicable cowards and authoritarian punks.

These were just college kids, not the "new left."

Either we saw different videos or you're venting.
There was a glib juvenile cheering reaction when his mike was shut off but not when he was dragged off.

See my post above.
Most of what the audience did was totally normal in the face of bizarre circumstances.

I've worked many events and know group dynamics. Notice that it was a female voice shouting in protest when the tazering started. Thank GAWD women don't fall for that 'violence=justice' bullshit that men do.

In the 1990s there was a prolonged story about an Indonesion college male caught doing vandalism. He was sentenced to be caned, hit with a stick, and this was a big story in the US.
I have a poll showing that 66% of US men favored the youth being caned while only about 35% of US women did.

That's why the CIA Operation Mockingbird media works the gender angle so heavily to keep young men from being influenced by more nurturing young women so the men can be can be recruited.

You need to consider how kid-like this audience was.


Very different to be sitting at home sharing indignations over a video.

[11:11]

No, it's not normal to sit by like that. This society has been dumbed down about political speech and authority AND tasering. This deer in the headlights reaction is mind control. At least the people at the UCLA tasering got a little rowdy. I'm not just venting, either. Did you read the comments from the DU? Or here? Something is WAY wrong with people's brains.

Anyway, it's interesting to discuss the sociological and psychological aspects, but the bottom line is that capitulation is the path to tyranny. People need to be riled up and angry, not polite and passive. These fascists are out to enslave and kill us, and that's a fact.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Anyway, it's interesting to discuss the sociological and psychological aspects, but the bottom line is that capitulation is the path to tyranny. People need to be riled up and angry, not polite and passive. These fascists are out to enslave and kill us, and that's a fact.

I don't read DU much. Way too much DLC and alphabet-agency shill content.

I totally agree with yu about capitulation and passivity.
But there's a way to hold the floor without getting used to mop it. That's what some found out in the sixties but the agent provocateurs and vague passivists won out.

In a group the loudest voice tends to become the de facto leader. That's what cops have been trained to recognize, just how easy it is for one or a few voices to turn a group into a mob.

Study the Pentagon's counter-insurgency and stability operations manuals and you'll find the psychology of mob behavior all laid out scientifically established from years of lessons-learned. Plus you'll find diagrams like football plays for different ways to break up a crowd.

This is how cops are militarily trained to see and handle large groups. And it now always will be. So feeding this human meat grinder and becoming the focus of the story works for the controllers.

Y'know what they say on discussion boards, "don't feed the trolls." Without being "deer in the lights" and utterly passive we do have to be assertive in a way that keeps us in the room and the focus where we want it.

You only get so far pointing out what paramilitary crowd control is. It has been there for a long time and always will be. So that's like pointing at a wall and trying to get people mad about it instead of pointing at the reason it is there, the economic and military policies of fascism.

Pointing at the wall of police will make some mad and some afraid. It is a waste of energy and a distraction. Instead, point at radio talks shows and every public appearance where q&a happens so we can keep saying what was said to Kerry.
In Christianity there is a saying about not worshipping the finger instead of going where it points. Same deal.

Power learned not to ever again fear the masses physically after the sixties.
REX84, Operation Garden Plot, the camps, surveillance, FALCON raids, etc.
All there to make power feel safe from us.

But we can and NEED to make them fear us culturally. That's where the revolution is.

[theeKultleeder]

But we can and NEED to make them fear us culturally. That's where the revolution is.

They already do. Keep it quiet... shhhh....

[sandymac]

This is a media snowblizzard. They are preparing us for future tazerings where we will just use the remote control and change the channel. Ho hum, we've seen that before.

Turn off the television. It's the only answer. This story is completely faked just like everything else around John Kerry. Don't let them have access to your mind and your emotions.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

This is a media snowblizzard.

You might well be right about the distraction value. Blackwater just massacred another large group of Iraqi civilians and is finally getting a wrist slap. Now THAT's news.

Turn off the television. It's the only answer. This story is completely faked just like everything else around John Kerry. Don't let them have access to your mind and your emotions.

TV is a toxic drug from Big Brother, no doubt about it. Pull it out of your arm now.

However I think the story is real because
>the student promoted Palast's book and cited really important election fraud evidence including the history of Skull and Bones
>CNN lied about what happened and did cover-up counter-propaganda.

This evidence of 'the state of things' needs to be noted. People are catching on for the first time everyday to scientific fascism.

Nothing like an instructive bad example as long as it doesn't take all the oxygen in the room, so to speak. And that's what I've been cautioning against.

remember...BLACKWATER DEATH SQUADS, not campus cops.

[ninakat]

It's wonderful that he chose to speak up, but how he did it was stupid. No one here cares if he was "impolite" or "out of line" or even "out of control". Hell, it would be my wet dream to hold court at an event like that and drop f-bombs of derision and even slap a few people for emphasis as I lowered the boom on their feeble status quo minds and exposed Kerry as a satanic saboteur of the progressive left. But guess what, that's not going to accomplish a goddamned thing.

What did all the histrionics in the late 60's accomplish? The war continued, hell it even escalated. If anything, all the shrill wailing and j'accuse (from 18-22 year olds especially) discredited the anti-war argument in the minds of working class America, and that was when the lower and middle class was affected by the war's deaths and injuries on a much larger, deeper, and more indiscriminate scale! There's zero draft-fueled fury today, the general public is more mind-controlled than ever, and you expect the same apoplectic fits of righteousness that didn't work back then to magically work today? Let them eat cake, and let them see paper mache puppets...the war pigs love that ineffective shit, especially when it makes the "rebels" appear like clowns to the people who really matter: the masses. We need to be SMARTER and MORE EFFECTIVE. Getting angrier in public will just trap us, like those contraptions that get tighter the more you struggle to escape.

But the issue is about what actually happened with this particular chap, and you said he deserved the taser. That's way beyond what's reasonable for law enforcement, except in a fascist police state. And it's completely irrelevant whether you approved of his modus operandi or not. The fact remains that he broke no law and posed no threat to anyone. PERIOD.

[11:11]

This is a media snowblizzard.

You might well be right about the distraction value. Blackwater just massacred another large group of Iraqi civilians and is finally getting a wrist slap. Now THAT's news.

Turn off the television. It's the only answer. This story is completely faked just like everything else around John Kerry. Don't let them have access to your mind and your emotions.

TV is a toxic drug from Big Brother, no doubt about it. Pull it out of your arm now.

However I think the story is real because
>the student promoted Palast's book and cited really important election fraud evidence including the history of Skull and Bones
>CNN lied about what happened and did cover-up counter-propaganda.

This evidence of 'the state of things' needs to be noted. People are catching on for the first time everyday to scientific fascism.

Nothing like an instructive bad example as long as it doesn't take all the oxygen in the room, so to speak. And that's what I've been cautioning against.

remember...BLACKWATER DEATH SQUADS, not campus cops.

Very true. Taser armed fucktards today, Blackwater tomorrow. Now that they've been kicked out of Iraq, they're heading back here. The states of California and Illinios are in negotiations for their services. For what, I don't know. Stand up to the man right NOW, or it will be Blackwater very soon. If people would do this, Blackwater will not get the contracts. It's the passivity that makes the lizards think they can make that next leap. Even a cougar stalks it's prey, with it's own survival the foremost consideration before it pounces. It is up to us to make the predators understand they risk THEIR safety if they act.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Andrew Meyer, not 'the student,' Andrew Meyer does have a website where he put up this essay mentioning the death in Iraq of the father of a friend of his.

No wonder CNN lied about him. He's got their number.
In his essay below he hits at the media pretty hard and points out that you can get more information from Google and books than the tv networks will ever give you.

He strongly promotes reading instead of TV. I think he reflects a growing mindset on campuses among students who don't like being lied to.

I wonder if Meyer's writing was known to campus police before he got the mike?

http://www.theandrewmeyer.com/columns/iraq_the_media_and_shannons_dad.asp

Iraq, the media, and Shannon's Dad
By The Andrew Meyer
Sunday, July 15, 2007
.....
Shannon Timmann is a friend of mine. On January 7, 2006, her father was killed outside of Mosul, the biggest city in northern Iraq. He was in one of two Black Hawk helicopters that lost contact with base. “Human error in a storm,” they called it. They don’t know what happened. The helicopters just went down. They just crashed.
In exchange for the life of her husband, Shannon’s mom received this letter from the government:


“Dear Mrs. Timmann:

I extend my heartfelt condolences on the death of your husband. My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family. I am grateful for Robert’s service to our nation and to the Department of State. His dedication and bravery should serve as an example to us all.

Sincerely,

Condoleeza Rice.”

Nice words from our Secretary of State. But that is all they are. Words. Nothing can bring back Shannon’s father, nor the 3,566 other Americans who have died in Iraq to date.
.....
I watched a video that Bob Timmann filmed in Iraq before he died. He was a good man, and he believed that America was doing good work in Iraq. But what exactly are we accomplishing over there? America invaded Iraq on false pretenses, bogus intelligence that Saddam had WMDs and links to al-Qaeda.

When Cho Seung-Hui killed 32 people on the Virginia Tech campus, it was like a knee to the stomach of Americans across the country. It was the only story on the news for days, and everyone felt affected, whether they had family or friends at Virginia Tech or not.

If 32 Americans died in a bombing in Iraq today, would the media give the story the full-court press that Virginia Tech got? Would every kid on facebook change his or her picture to a ribbon with the message “We support our troops”?

The story would get lumped in with every other Iraq story, mentioned for a day, and then swept under the rug and forgotten.
.....
Now here’s a real tragedy - what it takes to get play in the mainstream media. Billions of dollars are missing from the department of defense, eight U.S. attorney generals were fired in an unprecedented political coup, and the biggest news stories of the year are Paris Hilton and Anna Nicole Smith.

It’s enough to make you think about what the real goal of the news is. Is it to keep the populace as educated and up-to-date on America and world affairs as possible, or is the news like any other business, with the chief goal to make money. The news is designed to keep viewers watching and sedated and not thinking bad thoughts about America, because that would be bad for the economy.
.....
The news is a crock of spit, mostly of the bull variety. People need to stop assaulting their brains with garbage, and start educating themselves with books.

If you truly want knowledge on the world around you, try picking up a book. The great thing about books? They have authors who have to do months of research, and actually know exactly what they are talking about. (Unless the author is Bill O’Reilly or Sean Hannity, in which case they can say whatever they want because their audience is a bunch of self-deluded ignoramuses who want to be told what they think they already know.)

Do you care about what’s going on in Iraq? Do you want to know the truth? Start reading. Just now, I typed “Iraq Book” into google and found this: Target Iraq: What the News Media Didn't Tell You. Without even reading this book, I can all but guarantee you that this book has more information than every news story NBC, ABC, and CBS did in 2003, when invading Iraq was still up for debate.

And if you want to know even more about the spirit of a gregarious and intellectually curious college student, you can read Meyer's essay about being the odd man out in a world of uptights. There is a particularly prescient line about laughing during a school test and being thrown to the floor--

http://www.theandrewmeyer.com/the_folly_of_serious.asp

The folly of serious

By The Andrew Meyer

Where is all the laughter? The joyous, bubbling exuberance shining like a beacon from the smiles of the angelic beings who cast it forth?

Maybe this, above all else, is what’s wrong with the world. There are so many situations and scenarios where laughter is the wrong response, deemed ‘inappropriate’ for the circumstance.
.....
Now imagine a student in that room breaking out in uproarious, boisterous, thundering raucous laughter. What a nut! A baffling buffoon who should be thrown to the curb. He deserves no spot in this room full of serious scholars, men and women who have devoted their lives to this Herculean task of scoring well on the LSAT. These are the men and women who are to be the pillars of society, shouldering the burden of being taken seriously, and acting civil and proper. The joker with the grinning guffaw is an outcast, a miscreant, a social deviant not to be given respect or taken seriously, even if his crazy wisdom is more true and divine than the unsmiling scholars.

I went to a fancy restaurant yesterday dressed in a blue wife-beater and a red top hat with a white fuzzy band around it that might denote it as a “pimp hat.” Well, imagine to my surprise the reaction of the luminaries around my dining table.

[blanc]

thanks for the sartorial advice Seamus O.
my question was a little related to 11.11 s later point that it will be the grandma's amongst us who will need to muck in. and we won't be able to survive these 'non lethal' weapons. hence the hope that some talented young scientist is even now beavering away in his garden shed designing something a little less conspicuous than chain mail over wet suit - though Jean-Paul Gaultier could probably make that work from a fashion perspective


the audience who saw this event, ought at least to have had the gumption to walk out. now we know that kerry did nothing about the demolition of voting rights and does nothing about the demolition of human rights, and all america stands by

[John E. Nemo]

So.... the big joke at work today was "Don't tase me, bro."
I heard many people saying it and laughing about the nut who "cried like a little girl".

TRYING TO SHOCK PEOPLE OUT OF COMPLACENCY WITH THESE TACTICS DOES NOT WORK, BECAUSE WE END UP LOOKING LIKE THE PROBLEM, AND NOT THE SOLUTION.

Here's a guy trying similar tactics with Alan Greenspan.
http://player.clipsyndicate.com/view/3/ ... =8&wpid=47

Making a big fuss in public, protesting with bullhorns, etc. is an excellent tactic for rallying the troops, but turns most people off to your message.

The 60s are over.
Mass demonstrations are not only ignored by the PTB, but they give people a false sense that something is being done about the problem.

Think about this....have you ever been in a city and some "nut" was standing on a corner sreaming about the End Of The World, The Lost Tribes or Alien Invasions or some such thing?

Did you take him/her seriously?

I knew a lady who, I believe, had the right idea.

She went to churches and spoke about the Illuminati and Freemasons and such.
She handed out literature and spoke very calmly and intelligently about the facts.
She told me that about 10% of the people believed her right away, but she raised doubt in more than 60% of the people she was speaking to.

She would have people sign her mailing list and then send them more info.
Her mailing list grew and grew and she was often invited back to speak to churches where the majority of the people had slowly come over to her viewpoint.

She never raised her voice in anger.
She would ask pointed questions that she left to the listener to answer.
She presented the info in a manner that left the listener feeling that she was trying to warn them of great danger and doing a public service.

Her tactics worked and they raised awareness.

It's an ego thing.
People don't like to be shouted into submission, they like to feel that they "sounded the info out" and made an informed decision.

Be subtle to the point of formlessness.
Be mysterious to the point of soundlessness.
Thereby you can be the director of the opponent's fate.

To overcome others' armies without fighting is the best of skills.
The superior militarist foils enemies' plots;
next best is to ruin their alliances;
next after that is to attack their armed forces;
worst is to besiege their cities.

- Sun Tzu