Amazing video of planted 911 ground zero "witness"

[Jeff]

And I cant for the life of me think why anyone interested in exposing "the official 9/11 conspiracy theory" ( note the emphasis) for the crock of crap that both left brained and right brained "troofers" are 100% percent certain that it is, should get overinterested in a divide and conquer/ holier than thou approach between the two cranial hemispheres.

I don't see this as a "right and left brain" issue. It's about discriminating the authentic from the inauthentic. (And please don't mistake that for sensible/absurd or rational/irrational dichotomies, because I've found much authenticity in some absurd and irrational things.) And to me, using both intellect and intuition, I find much about today's "9/11 Truth" movement to be terribly inauthentic.

If something smells to me like bullshit, but all around people are feasting on it, that could give the impression that I think my own shit doesn't stink. But I'm just not that hungry.

[sandymac]

Jeff, please watch this video and give some feedback. It takes a few moments for it to get to the Calum Douglas presentation.

Englishman Calum Douglas analyzes the flight 77 data recorder info. Plane path entirely missed the poles?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2833924626286859522&q=calum+douglas&total=22&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

[slimmouse]

And I cant for the life of me think why anyone interested in exposing "the official 9/11 conspiracy theory" ( note the emphasis) for the crock of crap that both left brained and right brained "troofers" are 100% percent certain that it is, should get overinterested in a divide and conquer/ holier than thou approach between the two cranial hemispheres.

I don't see this as a "right and left brain" issue. It's about discriminating the authentic from the inauthentic. (And please don't mistake that for sensible/absurd or rational/irrational dichotomies, because I've found much authenticity in some absurd and irrational things.) And to me, using both intellect and intuition, I find much about today's "9/11 Truth" movement to be terribly inauthentic.

Well thats as maybe, but it HAS become a divide issue.

I guess the real question is , who is responsible for that ?

Those like myself, who refuse to believe their own eyes werent lying to them, and happen to think that this still makes an extremely strong case, however "stoopid" such "troofs" might appear, particularly amidst those not prepared to do the "left brained" spadework.

Or those who believe that people like our friendly cab driver, featured above isnt full of crap, and who cite this kinda nonsense as evidence that a plane did hit the pentagon.

Meanwhile, and at the same time, they suggest that we should be focusing on academic tangents beyond the grasp of the average undereducated, underpaid, overworked prole ?

BCCI, Saudi consulate, Atta and his coke binges. Mineta's testimony. Operation able Danger.

All incontrivertible I would readily agree, but you try selling that to the average Joe.

And please , dont say Im talking out of my ass here, cos I sell the "Academic tangent" evidence far more harder than I do the physical evidence, to your average Joe on a regular basis. Regrettably ,Its the physical evidence that wins hands down.

So given that this is the case, and given that the case for the physical evidence is still very strong AFAIC as all the academic tangents we can indulge ourselves in, I have a question.

Who's interests are best served by asking us not to believe our own 'lying' eyes ?


Or justPerhaps, we should all be singing from the same, (and still all too sparsely available )"Official conspiracy theory is a lie" hymnsheet instead ?

[11:11]

Something on Lloyd

http://stevenwarran.blogspot.com/2006/0 ... on-on.html

I do not believe the book was syncronicity. I'm going with an in your face calling card from the Mossad.

[8bitagent]

Thanks for the link and the photo.

If anything, I take this as an ironic token from the control system that governs human consciousness. Synchronicities are often like that, and beyond our means to arrange. A nice foreshadowing of some wrong turns for "9/11 Truth."

And I don't understand what this is supposed to mean to the trooferati, as s_d called them in another thread. On the one hand, the cabbie must be in deep, because he is part of the set-dressing to a "staged" event. On the other, he's a cited witness for missile theorists because he's quoted as finding it strange he couldn't see plane debris.

I agree with Jeff.

Dont get me wrong, there are some very very strange Fortean things about 9/11, and something is definately not right with the official story.

But people are looking under the wrong rocks.

It makes perfect sense for the phallic shaped Flight 77 to plow right into the 77 foot pentagon, filled with real people and hijackers.

[streeb]

I'm going with an in your face calling card from the Mossad

Wow, really? Didn't see that coming...

[11:11]

I'm going with an in your face calling card from the Mossad

Wow, really? Didn't see that coming...

It's a lot more logical than syncronicity, lol. Afterall, the agents themsleves (the "dancing Israelis") said they were in Manhatten to "film the event". I presume they were operating in D.C. that day, as well. Either that, or the lizards left it.

[OnoI812]

Seems to be the evidence that LLoyd is an "accomplice" is based on nothing but assumptions and speculation.

Isn't just about everything we see based on assumption and specululation?
Why even bother coming to RI, AAS are Ri's stock and trade. As is just about every other site that deals with these subjects.

When it comes down to it I see 3 choices, you can believe our superhuman cabbie friend with what appears to be an interesting library, who happens to be parked a few hundred meters from what appears to be a perfectly good car hauler that appears to be abandoned by the side of the road.

Or you can believe these guys http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elKov_UZDQE

or you can believe neither.

But god forbid truthers, don't speculate or assume???

why don't you drop a line to the producers of these vids and let us know how your suggestion goes over?

[slimmouse]

I'm going with an in your face calling card from the Mossad

Wow, really? Didn't see that coming...

It's a lot more logical than syncronicity, lol. Afterall, the agents themsleves (the "dancing Israelis") said they were in Manhatten to "film the event". I presume they were operating in D.C. that day, as well. Either that, or the lizards left it.

Global multicorporate Lizards or Mossad ?

Wow, thats not even a close call !

Unless you understand that the latter are working for the former, and always have been and always will be.

Along with the CIA and MI6 of course.

This particular Icke presentation being found on the seat of a cabbie, who's cab is damaged by an upturned pole, and not blown a million miles backwards by the jet engines has seriously freaked me out.

Perhaps Im not quite as fucking mad as I thought I was.

And BTW, if this whole affair is an infamous COINTEL doublebluff, then its beyond fucking clever.

[Jeff]

All incontrivertible I would readily agree, but you try selling that to the average Joe.

Therein lies the problem, or several.

I don't want to sell anything. Least of all a dumbed-down, sexed-up story that will appeal to average Joes. (Or sheeple, as they're affectionately known.) That has nothing to do with truth or justice. That's the way of a toothless mass movement, and an easily controlled and marginalized opposition.

[slimmouse]

All incontrivertible I would readily agree, but you try selling that to the average Joe.

Therein lies the problem, or several.

I don't want to sell anything. Least of all a dumbed-down, sexed-up story that will appeal to average Joes. (Or sheeple, as they're affectionately known.) That has nothing to do with truth or justice. That's the way of a toothless mass movement, and an easily controlled and marginalized opposition.

Easily controlled and marginalised by who, Jeff ?

Ive already posed this point, and now, youre throwing it back at ME.

So who is running this show on behalf of the "not so trooful, troof party?"

Those who tell me not to believe my own eyes WRT WTC 7 ?

Those who believe the cabbie and co at the pentagon ?

Exactly who are you talking about when you speak of those who are easily "marginisable" here ?

The left brainers or the right brainers ?

Please don't include me in either camp. I KNOW 9/11 was a lie, and I want everyone to understand that.

[Doodad]

"So who is running this show on behalf of the "not so trooful, troof party?"

To a large degree, the left is vulnerable to conspiracist thinking to the extent that it remains trapped in such faulty mainstream assumptions. This romanticized vision of US society is mirrored in mainstream conservative criticism of liberalism as well. As Himmelstein notes, "The core assumption" of post-WWII conservatism "is the belief that American society on all levels has an organic order--harmonious, beneficent, and self-regulating--disturbed only by misguided ideas and policies, especially those propagated by a liberal elite in the government, the media, and the universities."

Progressive conspiricism is an oxymoron. Rejecting the conspiracist analytical model is a vital step in challenging both right-wing populism and fascism. It is important to see anti-elite conspiracism and scapegoating as not merely destructive of a progressive analysis but also as specific techniques used by fascist political movements to provide a radical-sounding left cover for a rightist attack on the status quo. Far from being an aberration or a mere tactical maneuver by rightists, pseudoradicalism is a distinctive, central feature of fascist and proto-fascist political movements. This is why the early stages of a potentially-fascist movement are often described as seeming to incorporate both leftwing and rightwing ideas.

In the best of times, conspiracism is a pointless diversion of focus and waste of energy. Conspiracism promotes scapegoating as a way of thinking; and since scapegoating in the US is rooted in racism, antisemitism, ethnocentrism, and xenophobia, conspiracism promotes bigotry. In periods of social or economic crisis, populist conspiracism facilitates the spread of fascist and para-fascist social movements because they too rely on demagogic scapegoating and conspiracist theories as an organizing tool. Radical-sounding conspiracist critiques of the status quo are the wedge that fascism uses to penetrate and recruit from the left.

http://www.publiceye.org/tooclose/cons_not.html

It all started WAYYYYYYY before 911.

And then it REALLY got into gear.

[slimmouse]

"So who is running this show on behalf of the "not so trooful, troof party?"

To a large degree, the left is vulnerable to conspiracist thinking to the extent that it remains trapped in such faulty mainstream assumptions. This romanticized vision of US society is mirrored in mainstream conservative criticism of liberalism as well. As Himmelstein notes, "The core assumption" of post-WWII conservatism "is the belief that American society on all levels has an organic order--harmonious, beneficent, and self-regulating--disturbed only by misguided ideas and policies, especially those propagated by a liberal elite in the government, the media, and the universities."

From the article ;

Genuine conspiracies have seldom been as dangerous or as powerful as have movements of countersubversion. The exposer of conspiracies necessarily adopts a victimized, self-righteous tone which masks his own meaner interests as well as his share of responsibility for a given conflict. Accusations of conspiracy conceal or justify one's own provocative acts and thus contribute to individual or national self-deception. Still worse, they lead to overreactions, particularly to degrees of suppressive violence which normally would not be tolerated.

Now that's cute

Nero fiddled while Rome burned ( whilst reflecting on itself )springs to mind.

P.S.

"The official conspiracy theory of 9/11 is still a lie"

[mentalgongfu2]

You misunderstand my point Ono -
I don't believe the official version of 19 osama-backed saudis rocking the world with boxcutters, but the evidence behind the claims in this video is worthless.

the hood of the car wasn't scratched. he had an Icke book. did I miss something? explain to me how that provides evidence that illuminates what happened that day or who was responsible

[Jeff]

Easily controlled and marginalised by who, Jeff ?

Ive already posed this point, and now, youre throwing it back at ME.

So who is running this show on behalf of the "not so trooful, troof party?"

Those who tell me not to believe my own eyes WRT WTC 7 ?

Those who believe the cabbie and co at the pentagon ?

Do you not think, maybe, it's just a tad indecent for this poor cab driver to be called "9/11's first known accomplice," because his own eyes don't align with your pet theory? Do you think, perhaps, this opens him up to harassment or worse by unstable personalities?

I do not believe the book was syncronicity. I'm going with an in your face calling card from the Mossad.

So you're saying that 69-year old African American Lloyd England, playing cabbie as deep cover in a Mossad sleeper cell, was activated to stage a light pole crashing into his windshield, and instructed to plant an Icke book at the scene just to be in your face about it?

As a gentile in all seriousness, oy gevalt.