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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Wed Oct 24, 2007 5:46 am

Lots of bushfires are deliberately lit.

There are fuckheads that drive around here when its dry throwing fuel soaked rags out of their cars onto the roadside vegetation. Especially when its dead and dry.

Once we were coming home from the shop and someone had done it about 100 metres down the road, tho on the other side of the road.

I had just got a new fire fighting outfit in the days before. Fireproof clothing. I beat the fire out with my jacket.

Mostly they are disturbed individuals. However I wouldn't put anything past Blackwater. They may even make their choppers available to put the fires out, that would certainly make them seem like a potentially valueable member of the community.
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Postby 8bitagent » Wed Oct 24, 2007 5:58 am

Joe Hillshoist wrote:Lots of bushfires are deliberately lit.

There are fuckheads that drive around here when its dry throwing fuel soaked rags out of their cars onto the roadside vegetation. Especially when its dead and dry.

Once we were coming home from the shop and someone had done it about 100 metres down the road, tho on the other side of the road.

I had just got a new fire fighting outfit in the days before. Fireproof clothing. I beat the fire out with my jacket.

Mostly they are disturbed individuals. However I wouldn't put anything past Blackwater. They may even make their choppers available to put the fires out, that would certainly make them seem like a potentially valueable member of the community.


Oh I *know* theres sicko arsonist firebug idiots out there.

But coordinating 10 major fires, knowing that the Santa Ana winds would carry the ambers like anthrax spores to every nook and cranny in So Cal?

And it just so happens that the town who is fighting to keep Blackwater out, and possibly voting them out of there gets wiped out.

*IF* any of these fires were deliberately set, I'd be very curious to know if they were just lone nuts.

And if Blackwater makes themselves "Available to help", oh man

Can anyone say Problem Reaction Solution?
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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:24 am

Yup, like I said I wouldn't put anything past blackwater.

Over the years some very valued members or bushfire brigades all around Australia have been busted for arson. I doubt all of these cases were in the problem reaction solution file, but I think some might be.

Its certainly suspicious tho, that the fires are around that town Potrero.

Especially in concert with that stuff about people around fire stations further north. A fair way further north, possibly far enough that there's no obvious connection.

Of course this is speculation.

But its easy to light a fire when there are plenty around.

Its also possible Blackwater had nothing to do with it, cos fire has a way of spreading on its own.

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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:59 am

paulstone wrote:
The best way to stop a large fire is to put it out when it is a small fire. These "super hero" mornic firemen were playing a good game of gin rummy when they should have had all assets out at the beginning. Tankers, choppers and whatever else it takes. It's too late now. Haven't they learned yet? At the first sign of a fire in that timber dry, wind driven, historically fire prone area you bring out everything you have right at the start...not 3 days later...DUH! Oh, and don't we just feel so sorry for all those millionaires? When asked, they all say that "We will stay here and rebuild". Ya, you'll rebuild because you are insured 10 ways to Sunday. Guess whose homeowner insurance bills get to go up to cover your dumb asses? The rest of us!! How do you guys in Malibu get fire insurance in the first place? Burn the whole thing to the ground.

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How about mobilizing homeowners as backup firefighters in some instances instead of automatic mandatory evacuations?
Not every neighborhood burns because of an unstoppable 200-ft wall of flame, but because there's nobody around to swat spot fires from blowing embers due to the combination of mandatory evacuations and shortages of firefighters. I'm not talking encouraging the running into burning buildings, and much wildfire-fighting, after all, is mostly pick-and-shovel work. Most homeowners have picks and shovels, after all.

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Postby IanEye » Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:00 am

vigilant wrote:

”Can this stuff be looked up on Lexus Nexus? I have tried to find these quotes on the internet because I wanted to save them, but I was never able to find them...”


Vigilant, these types of quotes could certainly be looked up on Lexis-Nexis, which is an amazing resource. Sadly, all too many people aren’t even aware of Lexis-Nexis, and there is a reason for this.

The Porn Industry, underwritten by the CIA, is promoting a curvy starlet named Alexis Texas. This is classic keyword hijacking.

Most people point to the whole “Deep Throat vs. Deep Throat” Watergate era CIA shenanigans and the fact that Bob Woodward was “former” Navy Intelligence as the earliest instance of this porn distraction technique. But they are wrong. This method of using erotic means to distract people from the “Truth” has been a CIA procedure since at least the Eisenhower Administration.

I mean, do you really think it is a coincidence that right in the middle of the whole “Suez Canal” fracas that there suddenly emerged in the Lutherville section of Baltimore Maryland a burlesque performer named Suzy C. Anal?

I think not Sir, I think not.
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Re: Radiant Heat Kills.

Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:05 am

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:Thanks for real life-saving info, Joe. Saving that.

Radiant Heat Kills.


Yep. Cheers, Joe.

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Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:10 am

IanEye wrote:vigilant wrote:

”Can this stuff be looked up on Lexus Nexus? I have tried to find these quotes on the internet because I wanted to save them, but I was never able to find them...”


[color=green]Vigilant, these types of quotes could certainly be looked up on Lexis-Nexis, which is an amazing resource. Sadly, all too many people aren’t even aware of Lexis-Nexis, and there is a reason for this.

The Porn Industry, underwritten by the CIA, is promoting a curvy starlet named Alexis Texas. This is classic keyword hijacking.


Hah, that's pretty hilarious in a really bad way.

Don't forget you also have the wayback machine if you have at least a root url:

http://www.archive.org/index.php
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Postby Jeff » Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:41 am

Images from Lions Peaks cameras operated by the High Performance Wireless Research and Education Network in San Diego County. Looks like the surface of Titan right now.
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Postby MASONIC PLOT » Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:44 am

The fires are not that intense or even that large, I know that area well and the problem is that there has been a recent trend to develop those drought striken fire prone areas. The developers should be held responsible for this, the areas where they have been building all these houses has burned every year consistently for decades.


The Blackwater connection makes perfect sense to me.
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Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:06 am

Jeff wrote:Images from Lions Peaks cameras operated by the High Performance Wireless Research and Education Network in San Diego County. Looks like the surface of Titan right now.


Whoa, man..forget the fireman's outfits, they need some of these:

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Postby bks » Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:26 am

I'm one of those over whose head any references to weather modification went during the Katrina catastrophe.

Straightforward MSM links to such references, anyone? The Larry King quotes are bizarre. I've never heard talk of non-natural storms, and they're not a regular topic of discussion in the MSM, AFAIK. So there is seemingly no need for the modifier 'natural'. But I'd like to see more in anyone remembers where to look.

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Postby Pele'sDaughter » Wed Oct 24, 2007 2:06 pm

Didn't see either of these posted yet, but apologies if they are duplicates.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/23/ ... index.html

Chertoff: Lessons from Katrina being applied to fire response

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said Tuesday that lessons learned from Hurricane Katrina will be used in the federal government's response to wildfires in Southern California.

"I think there's no question that [there were] a couple of the lessons from Katrina which we have put into effect here," Chertoff said.

"First of all, planning and preparation in advance for these kinds of challenges, so that we have worked together and planned together with the Defense Department and with state authorities well in advance of the crisis. That's been a big help here," Chertoff said before boarding a California-bound Coast Guard jet with Federal Emergency Management Agency Director David Paulison; Mark Everson, president and CEO of the American Red Cross; and Matt Bettenhausen, homeland security adviser to California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger.

"Second, we have really flooded the zone as quickly as possible by staging assets to deal both with the firefighting issue and with the response issue," Chertoff said. Watch Chertoff discuss the federal response »

President Bush will visit Southern California on Thursday to see firsthand the damage inflicted by wildfires that have forced more than half a million people to flee their homes, the White House announced Tuesday.

Federal emergency agencies and the White House were heavily criticized for their slow response to Katrina. But White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said that since then "integration, additional communication and cooperation amongst the state, local and federal governments have improved."

Chertoff said federal officials began discussing over the weekend the need to have FEMA ready, "and as we saw the evacuation issue becoming more prominent, and the number of people seeking shelter becoming more prominent, we sprang into action yesterday.

"So we've been monitoring the situation continuously. The president's been on top of it. We've been on top of it. And we're going to continue to stay ahead of this as far as we can."

After speaking with Schwarzenegger late Monday, Bush early Tuesday declared an emergency for seven California counties. He said the order "opens up the opportunity for us to send federal assets to help the governor and those who are fighting these fires."

Chertoff said Tuesday that he hadn't waited for the paperwork to be signed before staging assistance.

"We have been moving cots, blankets, other supplies into the area of San Diego so that we can handle any necessity for additional sheltering capacity," he said. "We've also moved air assets to be poised to take flight when we do have the opportunity to deal with the fire, once the winds begin to die down."

Bush said he is sending Chertoff and Paulison to "listen, develop an inventory of supplies and help we can provide."

The Pentagon has set up a plan to help provide shelter for evacuees and offered a battalion of 800 Marines from Camp Pendleton, north of San Diego, to help fight fires. The Navy has offered an Aegis cruiser, a guided missile destroyer and two fast frigates to support evacuation efforts. The Air National Guard and Air Force Reserve have also sent six C-130 aircraft specially set up to drop water and fire suppressant on the fires.

FEMA is using Naval Air Station Moffett Field, a former naval air station in the San Francisco area, as a staging area for supplies and equipment.

Paulison said his agency is shipping 25,000 more cots and blankets and has 130 generators there.



http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington ... fire_x.htm

FBI: al-Qaeda detainee spoke of fire plot

PHOENIX (AP) — The FBI alerted law enforcement agencies last month that an al-Qaeda terrorist now in detention had talked of masterminding a plot to set a series of devastating forest fires around the western United States.

Rose Davis, a spokeswoman for the National Interagency Fire Center in Boise, told The Associated Press that officials there took note of the warning but didn't see a need to act further on it.

The contents of the June 25 memo from the FBI's Denver office were reported Friday by The Arizona Republic. Davis declined to share a copy of the memo and an FBI spokeswoman in Denver didn't immediately return a telephone call.

The Republic reported that the detainee, who was not identified, said the plan involved three or four people setting wildfires using timed devices in Colorado, Montana, Utah and Wyoming that would detonate in forests and grasslands after the operatives had left the country.

The memo noted that investigators couldn't determine whether the detainee was telling the truth.

The newspaper said many forest law enforcement officers it contacted had no idea the warning had been issued.
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Psy-ops is not funny.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Wed Oct 24, 2007 3:30 pm

IanEye wrote:vigilant wrote:

”Can this stuff be looked up on Lexus Nexus? I have tried to find these quotes on the internet because I wanted to save them, but I was never able to find them...”


Vigilant, these types of quotes could certainly be looked up on Lexis-Nexis, which is an amazing resource. Sadly, all too many people aren’t even aware of Lexis-Nexis, and there is a reason for this.

The Porn Industry, underwritten by the CIA, is promoting a curvy starlet named Alexis Texas. This is classic keyword hijacking.

Most people point to the whole “Deep Throat vs. Deep Throat” Watergate era CIA shenanigans and the fact that Bob Woodward was “former” Navy Intelligence as the earliest instance of this porn distraction technique. But they are wrong. This method of using erotic means to distract people from the “Truth” has been a CIA procedure since at least the Eisenhower Administration.

I mean, do you really think it is a coincidence that right in the middle of the whole “Suez Canal” fracas that there suddenly emerged in the Lutherville section of Baltimore Maryland a burlesque performer named Suzy C. Anal?

I think not Sir, I think not.


Psy-ops is not funny, it kills. It is not a joke anymore than cancer, aids, tsunamis, or torture gulags. Doing an irrelevent non-contextual snicker-factor set-up is not clever in the least.

So you think that the CIA perps tasked with hiding political liabilities wouldn't use
name games to divert attention that even strippers use?
Gee, you really wrapped that up logically.

Interesting that suspicions about Blackwater are being countered with suspicions about
al-Queda..

Oops, IanEye has proven that name-substitution doesn't work on people.
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Re: Psy-ops is not funny.

Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Wed Oct 24, 2007 3:37 pm

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:Psy-ops is not funny, it kills. It is not a joke anymore than cancer, aids, tsunamis, or torture gulags. Doing an irrelevent non-contextual snicker-factor set-up is not clever in the least.

So you think that the CIA perps tasked with hiding political liabilities wouldn't use
name games to divert attention that even strippers use?
Gee, you really wrapped that up logically.

Interesting that suspicions about Blackwater are being countered with suspicions about
al-Queda..

Oops, IanEye has proven that name-substitution doesn't work on people.


At whom are you directing all this angst? FWIW, Ian and myself seem to be largely agreeing with you, so not sure what your deal is here..

:?
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Re: Psy-ops is not funny.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Wed Oct 24, 2007 3:55 pm

et in Arcadia ego wrote:At whom are you directing all this angst? FWIW, Ian and myself seem to be largely agreeing with you, so not sure what your deal is here..

:?


That lengthy confabulation in green text by IanEye was not agreement, it was satire, a form of mockery.
Perhaps I-E felt the need for a humor break but chose the wrong target, dammit.

I'm not earnestly humorless but I don't joke about manipulation and cover-up to get a cheap joke about "Suzy C. Anal." And I will posit and defend exposing counterpropaganda tricks like keyword hijacking...always. That door opens up to important things.

Right now there are papers online by psy-ops advisors to the USG recommending that "ridicule" be applied to halt all the scandalous issues rising up at them like their own sewage. The rationale given is-
> Ridicule peels off supporters of hostile leaders.
> Ridicule is almost unanswerable, like graffiti in public.

For some reason, IanEye decided that poking fun at people who scrutinize the CIA was called for. Well, that's what the CIA does to discredit those 'kooky conspiracy theorists.'
Hence my protest.
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