This Is How I Believe 9/11 Was Carried Out

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Postby Perelandra » Sun Apr 20, 2008 12:53 am

OP ED wrote:11 is suggestive also of the "bowel syndrome" *cough* "secrets" of the OTO. And while I could get sued for publishing them, I'm not certain it should be neccessary as they're mostly well known, even before Crowley's time [though he lived in puritan times] and can be easily demonstrated.

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Well, I must say that I don't understand all of the commentary, being somewhat of a noob. I've read and understood a great deal on the subject, and even at some level, get the idea of a mega-ritual. I see many conjectures of "how", but what I don't understand, is why?

OP ED, can you elaborate for me on the above image you posted? It has some significance for me and may be of interest to a friend. I don't want to hijack the thread, so pm me if you can explain a bit.
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Postby 8bitagent » Sun Apr 20, 2008 2:53 am

This is an *amazing* new article that really sums up what I've been talking about; how the Oklahoma City Bombing operation directly connects to
9/11 and paved the way...and how Oklahoma has long been a government controlled terrorist patsy factory just like Pakistan has become:
http://911blogger.com/node/15075

Not sure how many people here are researched in Oklahoma City Bombing or World Trade Center 1993, but those two events are provably directly connected to how 9/11 was created...dovetailing with the same players, patsies and systems.
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Postby 8bitagent » Sun Apr 20, 2008 2:56 am

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those are all the elements that are formed of, linked to, instability. if 9/11 was a ritual invoking the entities mentioned by op ed above, then their 'relations' would be evoked or manifested. that's what i was trying to get at. there are certain elements of the qabbalah, as i understand it, that result from the time of imbalance between 'good' and 'evil' in the process of emanation. the time of instability. this concept may be linked to the energy system that was attempted in this ritual.


Oh I agree...its a question of is this spiritual evil manipulating man, or are the elite willing adepts and conjurers of sorts. Maybe its like the US and Saudi Arabia. An interesting symbolic look at the Qabbalist Tree of Life shows twin towers or pillars one either end:(images of a pentagon and pentagram are also present)

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Postby OP ED » Sun Apr 20, 2008 3:09 am

Svecchachara Paro;

Firstly.

Because this stuff is anathema to talk about, we need proper banishing.

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Postby lunarose » Sun Apr 20, 2008 10:51 am

hi 8bitagent!

'Oh I agree...its a question of is this spiritual evil manipulating man, or are the elite willing adepts and conjurers of sorts. Maybe its like the US and Saudi Arabia. '

well, in this qabbalah book i'm reading right now, there is a lot of emphasis on how the actions of people help to enable divine emanations to come down in to the material plane. so, one scenario is that there weren't enough righteous people doing their thing, and so instability gained the upper hand on that day (and leading up to it).

however, i've seen enough people working for good that i lean towards this being at the hand of man.
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Postby timetunneler » Sun Apr 20, 2008 2:02 pm

8bitagent wrote:This is an *amazing* new article that really sums up what I've been talking about; how the Oklahoma City Bombing operation directly connects to
9/11 and paved the way...and how Oklahoma has long been a government controlled terrorist patsy factory just like Pakistan has become:
http://911blogger.com/node/15075

Not sure how many people here are researched in Oklahoma City Bombing or World Trade Center 1993, but those two events are provably directly connected to how 9/11 was created...dovetailing with the same players, patsies and systems.


There always seems to be at root an Arab, German, Jewish angle behind this shit. So that article mentions a Skull and Bones tie in which is originally from Germany. There is the OU kid who blew himself up, Hinrichs.. there are the names Boren and Rohrabacher which also sound kind of German. Atta and Pals stayed in Hamburg Germany.... Andreas Strassmeier who helped provocateur the OKC bombing was from Germany. We know that Muslim Brotherhood has roots in Egypt, and had ties to ex-Nazis who fled there after WWII. And we know Muslim Brotherhood is basically involved with WTC 1993 bombing and 9/11. The Black September Munich massacre took place in... well... Munich, Germany. And then I remember the kids that got shot up in that Lynchburg VA, class were all attending a German class. Not to mention how Hopsicker mentions the German, Swiss, Dutch guys who were around Mohammad Atta. So WTF? So aspects of all of this look like an under the radar war terror war between between Arabs/Neo-Nazis and Jews.
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Postby 8bitagent » Sun Apr 20, 2008 3:47 pm

timetunneler wrote:
8bitagent wrote:This is an *amazing* new article that really sums up what I've been talking about; how the Oklahoma City Bombing operation directly connects to
9/11 and paved the way...and how Oklahoma has long been a government controlled terrorist patsy factory just like Pakistan has become:
http://911blogger.com/node/15075

Not sure how many people here are researched in Oklahoma City Bombing or World Trade Center 1993, but those two events are provably directly connected to how 9/11 was created...dovetailing with the same players, patsies and systems.


There always seems to be at root an Arab, German, Jewish angle behind this shit. So that article mentions a Skull and Bones tie in which is originally from Germany. There is the OU kid who blew himself up, Hinrichs.. there are the names Boren and Rohrabacher which also sound kind of German. Atta and Pals stayed in Hamburg Germany.... Andreas Strassmeier who helped provocateur the OKC bombing was from Germany. We know that Muslim Brotherhood has roots in Egypt, and had ties to ex-Nazis who fled there after WWII. And we know Muslim Brotherhood is basically involved with WTC 1993 bombing and 9/11. The Black September Munich massacre took place in... well... Munich, Germany. And then I remember the kids that got shot up in that Lynchburg VA, class were all attending a German class. Not to mention how Hopsicker mentions the German, Swiss, Dutch guys who were around Mohammad Atta. So WTF? So aspects of all of this look like an under the radar war terror war between between Arabs/Neo-Nazis and Jews.


You just nailed it! Oh one more: the al Taqwa bank that was used in Switzerland to funnel a lot of money to al Qaeda and Islamic terrorism;
was created by a real life German Nazi from WW2 and the Muslim Brotherhood. Its no secret the Nazis worked with the Muslim Brotherhood in North Africa, and with Oklahoma City we again see Nazis(FBI informants) working with Muslims.

Ive actually long believed that both Nazis and Muslim extremists/Wahhabists have always been the proxy tool of the elite. The banking cartels, royals, etc. This traces even back to say, 11th century Nizari cults. Ive also have found an occult link to Wahhabist "terror" groups and Nazi groups.

As per Daniel Hopsicker's research, most of Atta's associates were German-Austrian-Dutch. Some of these Austrians and Germans belonged to "Nazi flying clubs" in Europe. Mohamed Atta of course was brought to Hamburg from Cairo by way of the mysterious German couple working for
CDS International(the elite US-German exchange program with ties to Kissiner and Rockefeller)

Now its funny you say a "war between Nazis/Islamic extremists and Jews/Christians". Because with 9/11, you have the clear involvement of both Israel *and* Muslim governments(Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Dubai)
Sibel Edmonds exposed how Israel was working with Pakistani Intelligence and the US neocons (with Turkey as a proxy) to sell nuclear technology to al Qaeda and "rogue states". When it comes down to it, while 9/11 was used in part to create the clash of religions and civilizations...to pit
Christians and Jews against Muslims...

at the top, puppets claiming to represent Christianity, Judaism, Islam, etc
are all involved in this mess. Hence why I feel their true religion at the top is more Lucerferian than anything Abrahamic.

You mentioned the VT Tech shooting I believe(33 dead, April 16th 2007)
I believe the classroom he did most the killing in was where a holocaust survivor was teaching engineering.
(Maybe theres some Fortean astrological reason why so many horrendous events in modern American history happen between the 16th and 20th of April)
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Postby timetunneler » Sun Apr 20, 2008 11:22 pm

8bitagent wrote:
timetunneler wrote:
8bitagent wrote:This is an *amazing* new article that really sums up what I've been talking about; how the Oklahoma City Bombing operation directly connects to
9/11 and paved the way...and how Oklahoma has long been a government controlled terrorist patsy factory just like Pakistan has become:
http://911blogger.com/node/15075

Not sure how many people here are researched in Oklahoma City Bombing or World Trade Center 1993, but those two events are provably directly connected to how 9/11 was created...dovetailing with the same players, patsies and systems.


There always seems to be at root an Arab, German, Jewish angle behind this shit. So that article mentions a Skull and Bones tie in which is originally from Germany. There is the OU kid who blew himself up, Hinrichs.. there are the names Boren and Rohrabacher which also sound kind of German. Atta and Pals stayed in Hamburg Germany.... Andreas Strassmeier who helped provocateur the OKC bombing was from Germany. We know that Muslim Brotherhood has roots in Egypt, and had ties to ex-Nazis who fled there after WWII. And we know Muslim Brotherhood is basically involved with WTC 1993 bombing and 9/11. The Black September Munich massacre took place in... well... Munich, Germany. And then I remember the kids that got shot up in that Lynchburg VA, class were all attending a German class. Not to mention how Hopsicker mentions the German, Swiss, Dutch guys who were around Mohammad Atta. So WTF? So aspects of all of this look like an under the radar war terror war between between Arabs/Neo-Nazis and Jews.


You just nailed it! Oh one more: the al Taqwa bank that was used in Switzerland to funnel a lot of money to al Qaeda and Islamic terrorism;
was created by a real life German Nazi from WW2 and the Muslim Brotherhood. Its no secret the Nazis worked with the Muslim Brotherhood in North Africa, and with Oklahoma City we again see Nazis(FBI informants) working with Muslims.

Ive actually long believed that both Nazis and Muslim extremists/Wahhabists have always been the proxy tool of the elite. The banking cartels, royals, etc. This traces even back to say, 11th century Nizari cults. Ive also have found an occult link to Wahhabist "terror" groups and Nazi groups.

As per Daniel Hopsicker's research, most of Atta's associates were German-Austrian-Dutch. Some of these Austrians and Germans belonged to "Nazi flying clubs" in Europe. Mohamed Atta of course was brought to Hamburg from Cairo by way of the mysterious German couple working for
CDS International(the elite US-German exchange program with ties to Kissiner and Rockefeller)

Now its funny you say a "war between Nazis/Islamic extremists and Jews/Christians". Because with 9/11, you have the clear involvement of both Israel *and* Muslim governments(Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Dubai)
Sibel Edmonds exposed how Israel was working with Pakistani Intelligence and the US neocons (with Turkey as a proxy) to sell nuclear technology to al Qaeda and "rogue states". When it comes down to it, while 9/11 was used in part to create the clash of religions and civilizations...to pit
Christians and Jews against Muslims...

at the top, puppets claiming to represent Christianity, Judaism, Islam, etc
are all involved in this mess. Hence why I feel their true religion at the top is more Lucerferian than anything Abrahamic.

You mentioned the VT Tech shooting I believe(33 dead, April 16th 2007)
I believe the classroom he did most the killing in was where a holocaust survivor was teaching engineering.
(Maybe theres some Fortean astrological reason why so many horrendous events in modern American history happen between the 16th and 20th of April)


With regards to crazy things happening in the month of April.. I believe it is related to militia groups and their reverence for the American Revolutionary War militias which began their attacks against the British on April 19th 1776. So maybe modern militias are behind it or maybe some group that wants the revolution virus to spread in the American consciousness.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_ ... nd_Concord

April 19th 1993, the Waco thing came to end when the Waco compound was burned to the ground. April 19th 1995 is the Oklahoma City bombing.

Also... I also always thought these dates were interesting regarding the idea of some magic society committing human sacrifices in relation to some astrological scheme.

Sept. 23rd - equinox
Dec. 25th - solstice
March 20th - equinox
June 24th - solstice

Sept. 11, 2001 - 9/11
Mar. 12th 2004 - WHO issues Global Sars alert
Mar 20th 2003 - The Iraq War
Dec. 26th 2003 - Bam Earthquake Iran
Dec. 26th 2004 - Indonesia Earthquake/Tsunami
Dec. 13th 2005 - South Asia Earthquake
Mar. 20th - 2005 - Japan Earthquake
Mar. 28th - 2005 - Sumatra Earthquake
Oct. 8th 2005 - Kashmir Afghanistan Earthquake
June 12th 2005 - California Earthquakes(no real damage, death)
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Postby OP ED » Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:37 am

Perelandra wrote:
OP ED wrote:11 is suggestive also of the "bowel syndrome" *cough* "secrets" of the OTO. And while I could get sued for publishing them, I'm not certain it should be neccessary as they're mostly well known, even before Crowley's time [though he lived in puritan times] and can be easily demonstrated.

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Well, I must say that I don't understand all of the commentary, being somewhat of a noob. I've read and understood a great deal on the subject, and even at some level, get the idea of a mega-ritual. I see many conjectures of "how", but what I don't understand, is why?

OP ED, can you elaborate for me on the above image you posted? It has some significance for me and may be of interest to a friend. I don't want to hijack the thread, so pm me if you can explain a bit.


no hijacking neccessary. I would've come back to it eventually anyway, as it indirectly intersects with other "numbers" I've yet to consider.

First, apologies as to my tardiness. I've had something of a string of emergencies lately. I am about 550 miles away from where I was when I posted last in this thread.

Prelandra: is that CS Lewis "prelandra"? Just curious. If so, its another odd synchronicity for me. Assuming of course you aren't a spook.

IAO, is, in the most simple terms, a Graeco-Gnostic Godform. The equivalent to YHVH for the hebrews [and Christians, really]. Simply a term for God itself. Which is why wikipedia can't help you there, as an IAO search will merely take you to the Gnostic Demiurge page.

Fortunately for you, there is Thelemapedia!

http://www.thelemapedia.org/index.php/IAO

As a "magickal formulae" [rather THE magickal formula] it is indirectly related to your other ponderings, that is, the PURPOSE of all of this ritual wankery. More on that when we're done with the numbers, I suppose.

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The basic formula of IAO is one of life, death, and rebirth.

In Magick (1997, Ch. 5), Aleister Crowley states that IAO is

the principal and most characteristic formula of Osiris, of the Redemption of Mankind. "I" is Isis, Nature, ruined by "A", Apophis the Destroyer, and restored to life by the Redeemer Osiris.
He also refers to it as the formula of yoga, as illustrated by the initial pleasure of this practice, followed by the inevitable agony, and finally resulting in a new, superior state, perhaps similar to, yet fundamentally different from the initial state.

Crowley draws many parallels—namely the formula LVX, alchemy, Jesus Christ, and Prometheus.

In yet another example, Crowley says that IAO is the formula of all learning:

You begin with a delightful feeling as of a child with a new toy; you get bored, and you attempt to smash it. But if you are a wise child, you have had a scientific attitude towards it, and you do not smash it. You pass through the stage of boredom, and arise from the inferno of torture towards the stage of resurrection, when the toy has become a god, declared to you its inmost secrets, and become a living part of your life. There are no longer these crude, savage reactions of pleasure and pain. The new knowledge is assimilated. (Eight Lectures On Yoga, Fourth Lecture)


It intersects with several memes here, not least because when crowley reorganized his IAO formula he changed its reading to VIAOV [or FIAOF] which enumerates to 93.

Studying Thelema, wiki, the IAO formulae aside, is a decent place to begin:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thelema

This is a good place to introduce 93. As THELEMA itself is 93, as is AGAPE [the "word" of the Christian/Osirian "aeon"], and AIWAZ, the "entity" or author, according to Crowley, of the Book of the Law. It is considered of vast importance to the Thelemite, for these reasons. The splinter groups associated with the Typhonians place even MORE emphasis on this number and its various interpretations.

More cut and paste follows:

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Historical background
The word θέλημα (thelema) is of some consequence in the original Greek Christian scriptures, referring to divine and human will. One well-known example is from “The Lord’s Prayer” in Matthew 6:10, “Your kingdom come. Your will (Θελημα) be done, On earth as it is in heaven.” Some other quotes from the Bible are:

He went away again a second time and prayed, saying, "My Father, if this cannot pass away unless I drink it, Your will be done." —Matthew 26:42

But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God. —John 1:12-13

And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect. —Romans 12:2



Note the "wiki" 93 Thelema page is cut-pasted from the Thelemapedia page.


Prelandra: specifically, IAO as used by OTO is a reference, especially as signified by this symbol as thier unique brand of eroticka. From the wiki:
Sex magic in various forms including masturbatory, heterosexual, and homosexual practices

Now look carefully at the picture and try to envision how it could represent one or more of those methods discussed above. I am constrained not to actually publish their rituals, but their content and purpose is free game. Does that help at all?

In a future post, perhaps we can discuss the background of Crowley's sexmagick system, as almost none of it originates with him, the OTO already possessed it from irregular [crypto-sabazean] Masonic rites organized along Misraim-Memphis lines and promulgated by Blakean Illuminism in England, also elsewhere. Do not fret if this paragraph makes no sense, as I've spent my entire life constructing it. :wink:

8bit:

per 175/Venus. I cannot, off the top of my head, recall any references to such in Liber Al. Do you know the reference offhand? My memory is imperfect, as I haven't masterfully memorized the book, so I may be overlooking it. As far as I know offhand, the only Venus reference is synchronistically my own, and relates to "Prelandra" [CS Lewis' Venus].

Sorry if I'm missing something obvious. I still intend to discuss the number, but I'm failling at remember great doctrinal import attached to it.

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Postby OP ED » Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:42 am

BTW I apologize for misspelling your name P. Several Times. Apologies to Mr. Lewis too. I just realized I did it the entire time. Fast fingers, slow thoughts.
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Postby 8bitagent » Wed Apr 23, 2008 1:54 am

OP ED wrote:In a future post, perhaps we can discuss the background of Crowley's sexmagick system, as almost none of it originates with him, the OTO already possessed it from irregular [crypto-sabazean] Masonic rites organized along Misraim-Memphis lines and promulgated by Blakean Illuminism in England, also elsewhere. Do not fret if this paragraph makes no sense, as I've spent my entire life constructing it. Wink


You mentioned the Masonic origins of the OTO. Isnt it interesting how the "Masonic conspiracy/theres no Masonic conspiracy" meme has been pushed so hard, lots of noise...
and the esoteric fabric of Freemasonry gets lost in that noise. Actually, what you said makes sense to me...I guess I am used to reading about such orders also directly influenced from the *east* as well...things from the Hindu, Tibetan, ancient Egyptian, and Jewish Qabbalist world along with the European occult traditions.

OP ED wrote:per 175/Venus. I cannot, off the top of my head, recall any references to such in Liber Al. Do you know the reference offhand? My memory is imperfect, as I haven't masterfully memorized the book, so I may be overlooking it. As far as I know offhand, the only Venus reference is synchronistically my own, and relates to "Prelandra" [CS Lewis' Venus].


I remember in the online version of Liber Al, it said that 175 represented the power of Venus.

But forgoing that, what do you feel maybe...even speculation, the
combined "hierogliphic" nature and symbolic power of the use of
11, 77 and 93 in regards to 9/11?

Also, could there be something to the 11/22 date of JFK?
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Postby OP ED » Wed Apr 23, 2008 2:58 am

http://www.hermetic.com/crowley/index.html

Online versions of most of the [non-suppressed] books by Crowley. Although I generally prefer actual books, meself.
Like I say, I don't recall Venus, offhand, and I keep a copy of AL in my pocket most of the time. :wink:

online version: http://www.hermetic.com/crowley/engccxx.html

That said, I've read other references by Edward Alexander regarding Venus, even a commentary on Julius Caesar's fascination/devotion to this Goddess as the counterpart to MARS [Horus] and a prerequisite for "victory". This all a commentary on Crowley's claim to have "invented" the V FOR VICTORY hand gesture circa WW2. Oddly enough, neither Crowley nor Churchhill nor DuGalle "invented" this millenia old gesture...however one of the first references to it, as being related to Venus/Victory was by Rabbelais, the French "abbey of Thelema" inventor who inspired so much of Crowley's thoughts, and whom he claimed to have been a reincarnation of. Having likely known this, the entire affair may be seen as Aleister's odd sense of humor.

I'm filled with useless information.

The OTO was never an "official" Masonic Lodge Branch, and indeed wasn't permitted to organize HERE [there actually, but where I live] in Detroit on account of its having borrowed too heavily from mainstream Masonic imagery and its tendency to publish Masonic information a bit too loosely. All of this changed however, when OTO was coopted in the late sixties, following Germer's demise.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordo_Templi_Orientis

Most of its history is public information, therefore wikiable.

I don't believe in the Masonic conspiracy per se, as I've researched Masonry enough to know that there isn't much esotericism used today, and that it is basically an intellectual club in modern times. This acknowledged, there are several currents of esoteric thought running through the Lodge and into thousands of forms on the other side. This makes it a potentially infinite source of research.

The OTO uses HRA and MM degrees/rites and also some of the Swedenborgian rites, which seems to me to be where Kabballah and western tantra really entered mainline masonry historically. There are overt references even to Hindu tantra in Swedenborg and Blake, if one knows what these are, that is. A good place to start a study of these ideas is the essay "Why Mrs. Blake Cried: Swedenborg, Blake and the Sexual Basis of Spiritual Vision" by Marsha Schuchard. PDF below:

http://www.hermetics.org/pdf/Swedenborg ... Vision.pdf

The root site, btw, is an excellent source of information for those who do not wish to pay money for this information.

Although I recommend getting it straight from Swedenborg/Blake and their related public records of the time. Note, even in this essay it mentions, how at the Blake Church the Masons of the local lodge discussed all of this quite openly, as a consideration as to whether to officially accept it as DOGMA. Odd. Or maybe it is just a sign of how remarkably uneducated English speaking people are today concerning these mysteries. Crowley didn't invent anything. He synthesized several concurrent branches of thought with his ideas of [then] modern science. Nothing more. His real talent lies only in his encyclopedic knowledge of certain esoteric subjects which he was able to weave together. That, and mountain climbing.

I tend to regard the fate of the offical branches of Thelema, namely the OTO in its various guises as having, quite predictably, fallen into the same snare as every religion and/or mystery school [Masonry included] that came before. That is, having been HIJACKED for the purposes of those other than originally intended. Also, as in most of these organizations, the assholes who use it as cover for organized criminal activities obviously do not represent the mainstream. Indeed, particularly in the occult world, it is very rare that most members of a particular current will actually join ANY organization. There are many thousands of Thelemites, and only a few of these thousands even give [Mc]OTO the time of day.

Like Catholics who never go to church, I suppose. A Masonic Conspiracy seems roughly as likely to me (being initiated) as a Jewish Conspiracy or any other simplistic line of thinking. Of course I know you weren't saying that yourself, I was merely saying it for the record.

What do I FEEL about the ritual itself, as we're discussing it, you mean?

Blasphemy on all levels. Human sacrafice. Likely related to the concepts surrounding the "currents" and the Enochian realm of things. Donald Tyson, a white lighter wanker, would've probably called it an Apocalypse working, in its relations to the "Watchtowers" and Sirius.

For the record, I tend to regard the Sirius connection as slightly overemphasized by the Grant [typhonian] thelemites, who I view as being, at best, misguided [LITERALLY].

on every level, primarily on the subconscious psychological level, I regard the ritual as an attempt to steal the current. To "abort" the birth of the [second phase] Thelemic Aeon. A Black Brotherhood operation to destabilize [Jeff almost always uses "platforming"] the collective unconscious. Probably of the whole world. Inducing stagnation. Hampering cosmic evolution. Tinfoil hats and party favors for everyone!

I also think they made a colossal mistake. But that is for later. Suffice for now to repeat an eariler assertion of mine: If these people actually TRULY understood the concepts of Illumination, if they understood the principles we're discussing, they would never have considered something like this. And not just because it is a horrible thing to do to SOMEONE ELSE.

I'd like to treat 77 seperately in a future post, as it was probably one of Crow's favorites. The entire Book of Lies is based around it, and properly understood, it gives an explanation for how he understood his system to work and its relation to the history of the world.

11/22 could certainly have occult overtones, though, in my mind at least, they seem less obvious than the repeated weighted numbers in the 911 ritual. The KING was very much at the center of that operation, and the numbers seem to have had only peripheral value. Whereas in the current ongoing spell, the numbers are very obviously important.

How many times a week do you hear someone reference the ritual?
What terms are usually used as shorthand?

I see the combined effort of the numbers as "wheels within wheels" so to speak. a hologram of sorts, repeating the same alchemical "wedding" formula over and over again, in various forms, with similar extrapolations.

It isn't over yet either.
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Postby lunarose » Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:15 am

hullo op ed.

firstly, thank you for your postings here. secondly:

'I also think they made a colossal mistake. But that is for later. Suffice for now to repeat an eariler assertion of mine: If these people actually TRULY understood the concepts of Illumination, if they understood the principles we're discussing, they would never have considered something like this. And not just because it is a horrible thing to do to SOMEONE ELSE.'

i am looking forward to hearing your thoughts on this. my feeling from the first was that whoever pulled this off had no actual illumination whatsoever, and were horribly mistaken. but for a number of years now i have had the strong feeling that it didn't work, that just the actions they performed didn't turn out as they had hoped they would, that the results are not as they had planned......but i am ignorant of this system of thought, so i can't put my finger on it.

hi Perelandra! i have no constraints, the picture is portraying penile/anal sex. hope this helps.
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Postby Perelandra » Wed Apr 23, 2008 6:38 pm

OP ED wrote:[Perelandra: is that CS Lewis "perelandra"? Just curious. If so, its another odd synchronicity for me. Assuming of course you aren't a spook.

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Does that help at all?


Oh, I'm no spook. Yes, Lewis, of course. I'm actually not sure why I chose that nickname, but it is pretty, isn't it.

Thank you for providing all the references. I'm sure they'll be helpful. To me the symbol resembled a keyhole and key on first glance, which I guess can themselves be sexual symbols.

On every level, primarily on the subconscious psychological level, I regard the ritual as an attempt to steal the current. To "abort" the birth of the [second phase] Thelemic Aeon. A Black Brotherhood operation to destabilize [Jeff almost always uses "platforming"] the collective unconscious. Probably of the whole world. Inducing stagnation. Hampering cosmic evolution. Tinfoil hats and party favors for everyone!


Thank you as well for this explanation. It ties in with my thoughts. I must agree with you OP and lunarose that it perhaps didn't work as expected. Hampering cosmic evolution? Isn't that rather laughable? Who are these "ritual wankers" anyway?
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Postby OP ED » Thu Apr 24, 2008 1:22 am

נא, נא, תקל, ופרסין,

Who they are, is the big question of course. I'm not certain it can easily be answered either, as it seems to me to be representative of a mishmash of belief systems and perversions thereof. Also, I find it unlikely that any of the usual suspects are that DEEP into the occult stuff. It just doesn't seem to fit their psychological profiles from where I sit.

And yes derailing evolution is quite an impossibility. This is why I called it a mistake. Not just of tactics, but also of theory. Trying to accomplish the impossible with ritual is just silly, the reality of magick aside.

Earlier I said something to the effect that all of this is a waste of time, that it is useless to study in and of itself. I'd like to clarify that by explaining myself slightly better.
Gemetria, as a process used by the Cabalists and the forerunners and magical children is primarily psychological. By learning to equate everything in one's personal experience to universal archetypes of the Jungian sort, and then to break these down further into numbers is an exercise designed primarily to assist in the organization of thought. It isn't so much "what do the numbers MEAN" in that sense, but rather "what do you wish for them to mean". In this regard, we've begun a never-ending topical loop. Applications of these exercises are as numerous as occultists, but the primary purpose has always been merely the organization of ideas into categories, hopefully with the ultimate goal of learning to transcend these categories by unification into oneness. I hope that makes sense. Books have been written on the subject, so paragraphs are probably not sufficient to explain properly.

Perelandra: I liked the Lewis story, though I prefer his non-fiction. As his devotion to his religion often coopts his writings, it occassionally makes them predictible. This most glaringly when characters are actually based on Jesus and/or the Devil. I am intellectually offended when God steps in to solve the problems at the end.
That said, "the screwtape letters" is essential reading, and is the Cornerstone of my amoralist philosophy, so I am inclined to forgive Mr. Lewis' occassional fanaticisms, as I'm sure he'd forgive mine. It would be the christian thing to do.

Oh, and it is a keyhole as well. I didn't even think to mention that. This alludes to the "third veil" teachings. Probably the ACTUAL goal of the censorhip employed by OTO and others. That is, it refers to the fact that while the symbols may be codes for Sex Rituals, that SEX itself is also only a code for deeper meanings. This is a common theme in post-Rosicrucian alchemical texts, Crowley's doctrines being no exception. I've always found it funny that they pretend that the Sex is the only thing they're hiding.

I also viewed them as being very obviously co-opted by intelligence agencies/militaries/etc. The obvious part comes in when we realize that people like McMurty and Aquino are in violation of military LAWS by engaging in this sort of sexual activity ["conduct unbecoming of an Officer" etc]. That this is overlooked [yet public information] seems to indicate to me that these people are, rather than an embarrassment, actually considered important assets by PTB.

Don't ask, don't tell, eh?

I haven't even decided where to start my speculations as to "what went wrong" with this ritual, but I am certain something did. Flight 93 itself is probably a good place to begin, but in order to know what went wrong, one would need to know what was supposed to happen AND what actually did happen, both of which we're lacking. Speculation can attempt to fill these holes, but never truly satisfactorily.

Done for the night, I have to go to court tomorrow, and to bed with beautiful girl tonite. Priorities in order.

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