Peak water

[slimmouse]

You reckon its possible, but do you have a plan, even one you could just outline and leave to some of us who would actually try and make it work?

Aww FFS Joe, I dont reckon its possible. I KNOW it is - Just as anyone would have known it if they were some kinda average intelligence human being who can do some simple logic by reading this thread .

The fact that I personally know people who could make this stuff happen, given even a modest budget is neither here nor there. So do you.

I suspect that you also know why it wont happen. Read the Robber Barons sentence posted earlier

And it has fuckall to do with inability.

No shapeshifting interdimensional reptoids either involved or neccesary.

[marmot]

I suspect there are energy technologies (either deliberately undeveloped or classified) that are incredibly efficient.

I couldn't find the article that I saved from a couple of years ago about a technology coming out of Israel. And because I'm not a sophisticated science guy I wasn't altogether sure what I was reading, but it sounded marvelous. I'm probably getting this wrong, but I mention it just in case someone else reading might know what I'm referring to. It was, if I'm remembering this right, a stack, it might have had wind blades at the top, but as water evaporated, or something like that, it would create an incredible force of wind which turned some turbines which in turn generated electricity. Anyone?

[slimmouse]

I suspect there are energy technologies (either deliberately undeveloped or classified) that are incredibly efficient.

So do I.

But its far better (for some ) to use the product of humanities collective labour on weapons and wars - or on solving "the banking crisis".

Billions and trillions of man hours on such things, but no water , or no alternative to our energy problems but Fossil fuels ?

Splitting the atom, incredible nanotechnology, cracking the genetic code blafuckingblahblah.

No freshwater though - No food - No Cheaper sources of fuel.

In fact, we need to charge much more for these "finite resources"

I thought this forum was called rigourous intuition ?

[Joe Hillshoist]

FFS slim. Have you got plans?

Ideas?

Anything?

I want to try building one.

Believe it or not I have actually tried to make a few "free energy" devices work over the years. Hence my scepticism.

My father in law went to school with the inventor of the Joe Cell.

For fucks sake...

I have been trying to make a Joe Cell work for over 10 years and am this close to writing the whole thing off as the babblings of a mad Christian.

The only reason I haven't is that "something" appears to be going on. I have no idea what or how. At times it appears a basic cell in water will release hydrogen with no external input. (cept perhaps the fact that the cell is in a bucket outside, so ambient sunlight or wind may provide energy to the system - but it happens whether the sunlight is direct or in shade ... sometimes), to me this process appears completely random and is completely unreliable. I have no idea what, if anything is going on.

So don't pull that "Oh you are buying the robber barons line" bullshit with me.

Have you ever tried to induce current in stuff using the earths magnetic field and Nothing Else?

I have. (using a hills hoist actually. Dumb experiment, did nothing.)

Put up or shut up.

[mentalgongfu2]

<a tumbleweed blows by, as slimmouse says something patronizing and again declines to elaborate on any practical information for doing what he knows can be done>

i'm fairly positive it's possible to hit a target the size of the eye of a needle from 500 yards with the proper training and the right weapon, but getting it done is another story. that means having the training, the weapon, a needle, and 500 or so yards of empty space (with a good backdrop, of course).

[wintler2]

Maybe, JoeH & MGF, if wish to keep attempting to get some sense out of slimmouse, you could take your fools errand off to a custom thread. Many have tried before and failed, the attention only feeds his megalomania and takes thread further offtopic.

[marmot]

Have you ever tried to induce current in stuff using the earths magnetic field and Nothing Else?

I have. (using a hills hoist actually. Dumb experiment, did nothing.)

Ab-so-lutely Awe-some!

[marmot]

i'm ok with 'offtopic'

[JD]

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/5155

[Joe Hillshoist]

No worries wintler.

[alwyn]

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/5155

Good article, and it outlays 'alternative energy' costs fairly succinctly.

[wintler2]

Thanks Joe. Been there, done that myself, trying to cure myself cold turkey.


The oildrum thread JD posted is worth a look, lots of detail on Californias efforts at tech-fix via ocean desalination. If there was a cheaper way to do desal, surely profit motive would've found it.

Here in Victoria, gov just admitted that their 155 litres/person/day target announced 3 months ago was a failure. Canberra (diff state) has nonetheless set a 112 l/person/day target!

To answers Alwyns question to another poster upthread, our 4 person house uses <200l/day including drip irrigation, and we're on bore + rainwater tanks (30kl capacity). Tanks dried up in December, driest start to year in Victoria since records began. Local water table is dropping at ~ 0.2m/yr, probably due to vineyard bores extracting many many megalitres.

[slimmouse]

Maybe, JoeH & MGF, if wish to keep attempting to get some sense out of slimmouse, you could take your fools errand off to a custom thread. Many have tried before and failed, the attention only feeds his megalomania and takes thread further offtopic.

Whatever, you brainless fool.

In fact you arent actually brainless. Youre quite an intelligent guy. Which truly worries me.

Yeah seriously wintler........you know the rest....

How about giving some serious thinkers and people who want to create a world of plenty a few trillion dollars ( hours of human labour) , as opposed to those who baulk at the idea, and appear to believe themselves superior ?

Youve spoken about these "people" ( Sociopaths ) often. And yet when the concept of cheap, relatively free energy comes around, you get on a horse higher than that which the trojans built


Whatever.

[Penguin]

Thanks Joe. Been there, done that myself, trying to cure myself cold turkey.


The oildrum thread JD posted is worth a look, lots of detail on Californias efforts at tech-fix via ocean desalination. If there was a cheaper way to do desal, surely profit motive would've found it.

Here in Victoria, gov just admitted that their 155 litres/person/day target announced 3 months ago was a failure. Canberra (diff state) has nonetheless set a 112 l/person/day target!

To answers Alwyns question to another poster upthread, our 4 person house uses <200l/day including drip irrigation, and we're on bore + rainwater tanks (30kl capacity). Tanks dried up in December, driest start to year in Victoria since records began. Local water table is dropping at ~ 0.2m/yr, probably due to vineyard bores extracting many many megalitres.

Now I really feel bad taking a shower..
This flat building averages around 160 liters per head per day..

Land of the ten thousand lakes sure...

[chiggerbit]

According to the CEC, 10% of all electricity production in California is consumed in moving water around the state; another 9% for treating, disposing, pumping, heating, cooling, and pressurizing water.

Holy cow!