Who eats the suffering?

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Postby justdrew » Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:05 pm

lightningBugout wrote:I find this incredibly sexy and propose the invention of a new sort of human sexuality that takes this as the model:

It turns out their insides are lined with bacteria that oxidize the H2S, turning it into usable nutrients for the worms. The bacteria, in turn, benefit from the relationship because the worms deliver blood-containing hemoglobin, which helps the bacteria to break down the sulfides.


Join my cult....


don't get all carried away now. I can't even imagine how that would work. :lol:
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Postby Perelandra » Mon Jul 20, 2009 8:56 am

justdrew wrote:but the question of all life eating life to live, is an oversimplification. In the other-dimensional space here posited to exist, where the beings (and a part of "us") lives, the energy is normally freely given by the universe/(god/prime-observer/mover/etc/etc/ad-infinitum). The feeders are somehow cut off from that or want more than that.
Of course, I did oversimplify, thanks. Perhaps instead of "consume", I should have written "utilize", as in your great example of tube worms. Since I have no experience with other-dimensional space that I know of, I'm going on what little I know of physics.

"The feeders are somehow cut off or want more", in these other posited dimensions, that is interesting and will have to give it some thought. I feel like I'm missing something.
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Postby §ê¢rꆧ » Mon Jul 20, 2009 9:33 am

This is maybe one of the most important threads on RI, because I cannot for the life of me think of an answer, even to satisfy my own needs, as a reader, much less as a poster.
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Postby Searcher08 » Mon Jul 20, 2009 9:49 am

I found this at
http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=1064

from a poster called neomatrix. It is a very lucid summary of Bob Monroe's experiences.

Neomatrix wrote:



montalk wrote:

Loosh - another term for lifeforce/emotional/spiritual energy. Term coined by Robert Monroe in his astral voyages where, upon interacting with nonphysical entities, he learned this energy was called "loosh" and that mankind was being farmed for this energy.

Just a clarification about that, though. A common misconception about this Loosh harvesting often arises from people only telling one side of that story. Whereas Monroe initially fell into a rather severe depression when he discovered this system, he later was shown exactly how this Loosh energy was being utilized. I'm going to give a quick review of it because it is definitely worthy of consideration. Bear in mind though that, as Bob himself was told, it is hard to put universal processes into a perspective that can be unequivocally understood by our human minds.

Earth, it would appear, was the creation of a "Someone" coming from "Somewhere" for the purposes of cultivating this Loosh harvest. Apparently, Loosh is of great value in Somewhere, but is relatively scarce and hard to find. This Someone coming from Somewhere was the being/entity/intelligence that created the Earth Life System that we see in effect upon this planet today. In the course of experimentation, it was discovered that Loosh was emitted in a very unrefined state as a natural by-product of the carbon/oxygen life cycle taking place on Earth.

In the earliest stages -- what we know of as single-celled aquatic lifeforms -- this unrefined Loosh could only be harvested in small quantities at the exact moment of death. Later experimentation brought about plants which were higher-order Loosh producers than the unicellular initial lifeforms; even later experiments yielded larger mobile animals that emitted better quality (though still unrefined) Loosh. The best quality Loosh was eventually found to be produced during the struggle-for-survival conflicts that took place between the smaller, less well-armed mobiles (that consumed the plants) and the bigger, stronger predators (that consumed the smaller mobiles). These were what we now call the dinosaurs.

Although these mobiles produced much better quality Loosh, they were found to be too large and too long in lifespan to be practical in the long term. In one single motion, Someone terminated the life spans of these creatures (i.e. the extinction of the dinosaurs event), and quickly replaced them with smaller and faster mobile units which resulted in even higher Loosh output.

As a side experiment, Someone also created a very different form of mobile -- humans. Although comparatively weak and ineffective, this variety of mobile could take energy from both plants and animals. Also, Someone pulled forth a Piece of Himself to act as a very unique catalyst. This new mobile would be subjected to a strong need for constant mobility, always seeking reunion with the Whole (in Somewhere) from which Someone came.

Although it came as a great surprise to Someone, it was from this side experiment that pure and distilled Loosh was found to be automatically created. It was generated when those units were in conflict with other units to protect their young offspring, and also generated in large amounts when they felt lonely. When one of these lonely units sensed the presence of Someone, it began to cry and generated large amounts of very high-order Loosh energy.

Someone then included this fundamental baseline in his formula: "The creation of pure, distilled Loosh is brought forth in humans by the action of unfulfillment, but only if such pattern is enacted at a vibratory level above the sensory bounds of the environment. The greater the intensity of said pattern, the greater the output of Loosh distillate."

This feeling of loneliness was also magnified by splitting all mobiles into two genders, ever seeking reunion with each other. The most common "tools" to promote production of Loosh are things like love, friendship, family, greed, hate, pain, guilt, disease, pride, ambition, ownership, possession, sacrifice -- and on a larger scale, nations, provincialism, wars, famine, religion, machines, freedom, industry, trade, etc. Given this, it should be apparent that Loosh production today would be at an all-time high.

So, all of this carries the implication that the primary function of life here -- and especially of human life -- is to learn to be a very high-quality Loosh producer. This energy which we radiate has a very important function in various other levels of creation. My point in all of this is to attempt to make clear that this harvesting or farming is not a "negative" thing that we should rail against. It is in fact, the very purpose of our existence here. Without Someone, Somewhere, the Earth Life System -- and we humans living within it -- would not exist. It also shows that what we view from our perspective as "negative" events, thoughts or emotions are all merely a part of the Loosh spectrum of radiation, and exalting the virtues of the perceived "positive" forms over the "negative" ones is wholly redundant. Suppressing "negative" feelings, as advocated by the "love and light" brigade, actually runs contrary to the design.

Additionally, whilst the concept of Someone from Somewhere would fit very neatly into our human ideals of God and Heaven, Monroe was told that Someone was a creator that was created, and that Somewhere itself is a system that was created. Interesting stuff indeed!


I remember Bob saying something that the Eartl Life Game was about learning to produce loosh all the time, in all contexts, and that when one could do that, one 'graduated'.
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Postby lightningBugout » Mon Jul 20, 2009 10:31 am

§ê¢rꆧ wrote:This is maybe one of the most important threads on RI, because I cannot for the life of me think of an answer, even to satisfy my own needs, as a reader, much less as a poster.


Me neither. Hence my need to bring this up again -- the thread is pretty much just a targeted revisitation of one aspect of Jeff's blog that I find very meaningful. I posted this elsewhere on RI:

me wrote:I am utterly convinced that in 500 years we will recognize [that] we are living in a time before the germ theory of medicine and someday will recognize the existence of electromagnetic germs, historically called stuff like "demons."


Much more so than the existential God is dead, man is lost, we are all sad idea of our time, I almost feel it is more radical that this time, as compared to almost any, is unique in that we have largely reached something of a consensus that we are the only metaphysical being in the ether. Without "demons" (or tricksters, etc) we are left with a very empty playing field. Ideas become causal agents to a degree that would stun even the Buddha. And capital N nature. But human intention (and perhaps a version of God roughly similar to Dr. Phil) is the prime mover, the main thing, the main cause of what is. No wonder we are so narcissistic.
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Postby Maddy » Mon Jul 20, 2009 10:45 am

Searcher08 wrote:I found this at
http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=1064

So, all of this carries the implication that the primary function of life here -- and especially of human life -- is to learn to be a very high-quality Loosh producer. This energy which we radiate has a very important function in various other levels of creation. My point in all of this is to attempt to make clear that this harvesting or farming is not a "negative" thing that we should rail against. It is in fact, the very purpose of our existence here. Without Someone, Somewhere, the Earth Life System -- and we humans living within it -- would not exist. It also shows that what we view from our perspective as "negative" events, thoughts or emotions are all merely a part of the Loosh spectrum of radiation, and exalting the virtues of the perceived "positive" forms over the "negative" ones is wholly redundant. Suppressing "negative" feelings, as advocated by the "love and light" brigade, actually runs contrary to the design.


I remember Bob saying something that the Eartl Life Game was about learning to produce loosh all the time, in all contexts, and that when one could do that, one 'graduated'.


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Postby justdrew » Mon Jul 20, 2009 12:01 pm

Maddy wrote:
Searcher08 wrote:I found this at
http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=1064

So, all of this carries the implication that the primary function of life here -- and especially of human life -- is to learn to be a very high-quality Loosh producer. This energy which we radiate has a very important function in various other levels of creation. My point in all of this is to attempt to make clear that this harvesting or farming is not a "negative" thing that we should rail against. It is in fact, the very purpose of our existence here. Without Someone, Somewhere, the Earth Life System -- and we humans living within it -- would not exist. It also shows that what we view from our perspective as "negative" events, thoughts or emotions are all merely a part of the Loosh spectrum of radiation, and exalting the virtues of the perceived "positive" forms over the "negative" ones is wholly redundant. Suppressing "negative" feelings, as advocated by the "love and light" brigade, actually runs contrary to the design.


I remember Bob saying something that the Eartl Life Game was about learning to produce loosh all the time, in all contexts, and that when one could do that, one 'graduated'.


I rebel. :evil:


yes, Robert Monroe seems a bit gullible.
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Postby lightningBugout » Mon Jul 20, 2009 12:08 pm

justdrew wrote:
Maddy wrote:
Searcher08 wrote:I found this at
http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=1064

So, all of this carries the implication that the primary function of life here -- and especially of human life -- is to learn to be a very high-quality Loosh producer. This energy which we radiate has a very important function in various other levels of creation. My point in all of this is to attempt to make clear that this harvesting or farming is not a "negative" thing that we should rail against. It is in fact, the very purpose of our existence here. Without Someone, Somewhere, the Earth Life System -- and we humans living within it -- would not exist. It also shows that what we view from our perspective as "negative" events, thoughts or emotions are all merely a part of the Loosh spectrum of radiation, and exalting the virtues of the perceived "positive" forms over the "negative" ones is wholly redundant. Suppressing "negative" feelings, as advocated by the "love and light" brigade, actually runs contrary to the design.


I remember Bob saying something that the Eartl Life Game was about learning to produce loosh all the time, in all contexts, and that when one could do that, one 'graduated'.


I rebel. :evil:


yes, Robert Monroe seems a bit gullible.


Not to mention dirty. The Monroe Institute in VA was, at very least, a highly spooky RV training facility. I've read they had extensive WOO-ey MC programs in the late 1970s and early 1980s. Didn't Jeff blog a bit about it at one point?
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Postby Penguin » Mon Jul 20, 2009 12:30 pm

I feel like saying something, but cannot formulate it now. Thanks for the thread...

Re:Loosh...
Of course they would say that, huh... :evil:
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Postby Searcher08 » Mon Jul 20, 2009 12:35 pm

lightningBugout wrote:
justdrew wrote:
Maddy wrote:
Searcher08 wrote:I found this at
http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=1064

So, all of this carries the implication that the primary function of life here -- and especially of human life -- is to learn to be a very high-quality Loosh producer. This energy which we radiate has a very important function in various other levels of creation. My point in all of this is to attempt to make clear that this harvesting or farming is not a "negative" thing that we should rail against. It is in fact, the very purpose of our existence here. Without Someone, Somewhere, the Earth Life System -- and we humans living within it -- would not exist. It also shows that what we view from our perspective as "negative" events, thoughts or emotions are all merely a part of the Loosh spectrum of radiation, and exalting the virtues of the perceived "positive" forms over the "negative" ones is wholly redundant. Suppressing "negative" feelings, as advocated by the "love and light" brigade, actually runs contrary to the design.


I remember Bob saying something that the Eartl Life Game was about learning to produce loosh all the time, in all contexts, and that when one could do that, one 'graduated'.


I rebel. :evil:


yes, Robert Monroe seems a bit gullible.


Not to mention dirty. The Monroe Institute in VA was, at very least, a highly spooky RV training facility. I've read they had extensive WOO-ey MC programs in the late 1970s and early 1980s. Didn't Jeff blog a bit about it at one point?


We had a big discussion about them:
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board/v ... 7b23600546

I knew Bob and Nancy Monroe a little. I loved them to bits. I found him a great mixture of explorer and teacher. He was a very humble man, who taught me a lot about making my *own* trail and discovering things for myself , rather than someone elses path.

I didnt wish to divert the thread - it is just that loosh was a big part of his explorations and I thought it resonated with the discussion.
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Postby lightningBugout » Mon Jul 20, 2009 12:37 pm

U ever go to the institute?
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Postby rrapt » Mon Jul 20, 2009 12:45 pm

LBugout's original question: "Can anyone help me break down the origin and scope of the notion that some sort of non-human entity feeds off of human suffering?

Sorry, I can't help with the origin and scope, but Don Rumsfeld meets your qualifications for a suffering-feeder. And Dick Cheney and you know - a lot of others. They were bred with human flesh to boost loosh production in a world which threatened to become too peaceful and cooperative to sustain and empower the loosh-eaters.

A couple of other details I can share:

1) Don's species needs a planet of its own, and has selected Earth with its loosh-producing population.

2) This species' perspective (time-line) is very long compared to humanity's, making conquest much easier.

3) I hadn't seen the term loosh until now, but it fits in with the process I had noted, which I would have called "thriving on the energy released by pain and death".

4) War is pointless in a strictly human oriented perspective, and only gains rationale through this phenomenon we've been discussing.

5) I claim no credible references here other than intuition.
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Postby Zap » Mon Jul 20, 2009 1:10 pm

Celtic myth had the Unseelie/Unseleighe Sidhe, shapeless chaotic beings that feed on human suffering.
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Postby Searcher08 » Mon Jul 20, 2009 1:26 pm

lightningBugout wrote:U ever go to the institute?


Not to Virginia; a friend who was a bit of an explorer himself and had been to TMI, arranged the first mini (3 day) Gateway Voyage over in the UK, and Bob and Nancy came to it - Bob gave a memorable 'fireside talk' at the end, so it was like the Institute came to us.
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Postby alwyn » Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:52 pm

There's some sufi story about being eaten consciously...what they 'offer up' is the conditioned self to be eaten, so that the essence remains.
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