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Postby IanEye » Thu Oct 08, 2009 5:11 pm

§ê¢rꆧ wrote:Roy Shivers is just ... sick..


§ê¢rꆧ - your link is broke, you have an extra / at the end, if you take it off, it works. looking forward to checking it out!
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this was released in 1987...

Postby IanEye » Thu Oct 08, 2009 5:12 pm

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"..and if you don't want that gun, don't send in the military.
Don't send in the military and then wring your hands and say, 'Oh my God, you- you've hurt someone'.
Of course we did. That's what you sent us in there to do."
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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:18 pm

I love Doug Wimbish and his 435 string bass.
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Postby lightningBugout » Tue Oct 13, 2009 9:16 pm

Immortal Technique - Peruvian Cocaine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJfumftYyxY

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[Intro: from the film "Scarface"]
Host: I've heard whispers about the financial support
your government receives from the drug industry.

Guest: Well, the irony of this, of course, is that
this money, which is in the billions, is coming from
your country. You see, you are the major purchaser of
our national product, which is of course cocaine.

Host: On one hand, you're saying the United States
government is spending millions of dollars to
eliminate the flow of drugs onto our streets. At the
same time, we are doing business with the very same
goverment that is flooding our streets with cocaine.

Guest: Mmm-hmm, si, si. Let me show you a few other
characters that are involved in this tragic comedy.

[Beat starts]

*Two Men Speak in Spanish*

[Immortal Technique - Worker]
I'm on the border of Bolivia, working for pennies
Treated like a slave, the coke fields have to be ready
The spirit of my people is starving, broken and sweaty
Dreaming about revolution (REVOLUTION!) looking at my machete
But the workload is too heavy to rise up in arms
And if I ran away, I know they'd probably murder my moms
So I pray to "Heso Preisto" when I go to the mission
Process the cocaine, paced and play my position

[Pumpkinhead - Cocaine Field Boss]
Ok, listen while I'm out there, just give me my product
Before we chop off ya hands for worker's misconduct
I got the power to shoot a copper, and not get charged
And it would be sad to see your family in front of a firing squad
So to feed your kids, I need these bricks
40 tons in total, let me test it, indeed I (*sniff*)
Shit, this is good, pass me a tissue
And don't worry about them, I paid off the officials

[Diabolic - Peruvian Leader]
Yo, it don't come as a challenge, I'm the son of some of the foulest
Elected by my people...the only one on the ballot
Born and bred to consult with feds, I laugh at fate
And assassinate my predecessor to have his place
In a third-world fashion state, lock the nation
With 90% of the wealth in 10% of the population
The Central Intelligence Agency takes weight faithfully
The finest type of China white and cocaine you'll see

[Tonedeff - American Drug Distributor]
Honey I'm home, nevermind why our bank account's suddenly grown
It's funny, we're so out of this debt from this money we owe
Woulda ya...mind if I told you I had two governments overthrown
To keep our son enrolled in a private school, and to keep ya tummy swollen
C'mon, our fuckin' home was built on the foundation of bloody throats
The hungry stolen of they souls, of course this country's runnin' coke
I took a stunted oath to hush the one's who know
But CIA conducts the flow of these young hustlers who lust for dough

[Poison Pen - Drug Dealer]
I don't work in the hood (Hit my connect)
Plus what's really good, they supply for the hood
These dudes fucking crack me up, scrutinize like we inferior
Petrified when we meet in my area (calm down)
My dude's'll shoot until I say so, got the loot?
Give me the YAY YAY like Ice Cube, so don't play with my llello
We won't stop for you bastards
Must choose (?), chop it and bag it

[Loucipher - Undercover Police Officer]
Taking pictures and tapping phones
Debating snitches and cracking codes
Past a couple, blast the fo',
Want any hustler stacking dough with probably crack the blow
And my overtime is where your taxes go
I gain your trust
Get you to hand weight to us because we paid up front
On the low with cameras taping ya
Getting pop away? The prison sentence is going to
Make the officer leave with two ki's out the evidence room

[C-Rayz Walz - Prison Inmate]
Out the evidence room (*Said with Loucipher*)
Went my fame, truck, boat or plane, they watching you
You think you got work? They copping too
We control blocks, they lock countries
Ya own companies, we had nice cars and sneaker money
Now there's players out there, talking 'bout the holding
With bugs in they house like they down South with windows open
Your dough ain't long, you wrong, you take shorts and (?)
Feds will be up in your mouth...like forks and spoons
So enjoy the rush, live plush off Coke bread
Soon you'll be in a cell with me, like Jenny Lopez
In school, I was a bully, now life is fully a joke
I keep a flow on a boat for Peruvian Coke
Players do favors for governers and tax makers
Fat Quakers smoke crack and sex acts with bad mayors
The walls got ears, you big mouths probably scared
Not prepared to do years like Javier

[Immortal Technique Speaking]
The story just told is an example of the path that
drugs take on their way to every neighborhood, in
every state of this country. It's a lot deeper than
the niggas on your block. So when they point the
finger at you, brother men, this is what you've got to tell them:

[Wesley Snipes - from "New Jack City"]
I'm not guilty. YOU'RE the one that's guilty. The
lawmakers, the politicians, the Columbian drug lords,
all you who lobby against making drugs legal. Just
like you did with alcohol during the prohibition.
You're the one who's guilty. I mean, c'mon, let's kick
the ballistics here: Ain't no Uzi's made in Harlem.
Not one of us in here owns a poppy field. This thing
is bigger than (Immortal Technique). This is big
business. This is the American way.
"What's robbing a bank compared with founding a bank?" Bertolt Brecht
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Postby lightningBugout » Tue Oct 13, 2009 9:24 pm

Immortal Technique - Bin Laden
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA_xXWSXyFI

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[Mos Def - talking]
Man, you hear this bullshit they be talkin'
Every day, man
It's like these motherfuckers is just like professional liars
YouknowwhatI'msayin? It's wild
Listen

[Hook - Mos Def]
Bin Laden didn't blow up the projects
It was you, nigga
Tell the truth, nigga
(Bush knocked down the towers)--[Jadakiss]
Tell the truth, nigga
(Bush knocked down the towers)--[Jadakiss]
Tell the truth, nigga

Bin Laden didn't blow up the projects
It was you, nigga
Tell the truth, nigga
(Bush knocked down the towers)--[Jadakiss]
Tell the truth, nigga
(Bush knocked down the towers)--[Jadakiss]

[Verse 1 - Immortal Technique]
I pledge no allegiance, nigga fuck the president's speeches
I'm baptized by America and covered in leeches
The dirty water that bleaches your soul and your facial features
Drownin' you in propaganda that they spit through the speakers
And if you speak about the evil that the government does
The Patriot Act'll track you to the type of your blood
They try to frame you, and say you was tryna sell drugs
And throw a federal indictment on niggaz to show you love
This shit is run by fake Christians, fake politicians
Look at they mansions, then look at the conditions you live in
All they talk about is terrorism on television
They tell you to listen, but they don't really tell you they mission
They funded Al-Qaeda, and now they blame the Muslim religion
Even though Bin Laden, was a CIA tactician
They gave him billions of dollars, and they funded his purpose
Fahrenheit 9/11, that's just scratchin' the surface

[Hook - Mos Def]
Bin Laden didn't blow up the projects
It was you, nigga
Tell the truth, nigga
(Bush knocked down the towers)--[Jadakiss]
Tell the truth, nigga
(Bush knocked down the towers)--[Jadakiss]
Tell the truth, nigga

Bin Laden didn't blow up the projects
It was you, nigga
Tell the truth, nigga
(Bush knocked down the towers)--[Jadakiss]
Tell the truth, nigga
(Bush knocked down the towers)--[Jadakiss]

[Verse 2 - Immortal Technique]
They say the rebels in Iraq still fight for Saddam
But that's bullshit, I'll show you why it's totally wrong
Cuz if another country invaded the hood tonight
It'd be warfare through Harlem, and Washington Heights
I wouldn't be fightin' for Bush or White America's dream
I'd be fightin' for my people's survival and self-esteem
I wouldn't fight for racist churches from the south, my nigga
I'd be fightin' to keep the occupation out, my nigga
You ever clock someone who talk shit, or look at you wrong?
Imagine if they shot at you, and was rapin' your moms
And of course Saddam Hussein had chemical weapons
We sold him that shit, after Ronald Reagan's election
Mercenary contractors fightin' a new era
Corporate military bankin' off the war on terror
They controllin' the ghetto, with the failed attack
Tryna distract the fact that they engineerin' the crack
So I'm strapped like Lee Malvo holdin' a sniper rifle
These bullets'll touch your kids, and I don't mean like Michael
Your body be sent to the morgue, stripped down and recycled
I fire on house niggaz that support you and like you
Cuz innocent people get murdered in the struggle daily
And poor people never get shit and struggle daily
This ain't no alien conspiracy theory, this shit is real
Written on the dollar underneath the Masonic seal

(I don't rap for dead presidents
I'd rather see the president dead
It's never been said but I set precedents)--[Eminem]

[Hook - Mos Def]
Bin Laden didn't blow up the projects
It was you, nigga
Tell the truth, nigga
(Bush knocked down the towers)--[Jadakiss]
Tell the truth, nigga
(Bush knocked down the towers)--[Jadakiss]
Tell the truth, nigga

Bin Laden didn't blow up the projects
It was you, nigga
Tell the truth, nigga
(Bush knocked down the towers)--[Jadakiss]
Tell the truth, nigga
(Bush knocked down the towers)--[Jadakiss]

(Shady Records was 80 seconds away from the towers
Some cowards fucked with the wrong building, they meant to hit ours)-- [Eminem]
"What's robbing a bank compared with founding a bank?" Bertolt Brecht
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Postby Brentos » Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:44 pm

UK in the early Nineties was a pretty abysmal place for inspiring music. So a lot of ears were listening to the US for inspiration. Around this time artists like Bill Hicks & Public Enemy gained a lot of fans.
There was a UK band, which was definitely unique for the time, riding the wave of the 'new' rap/hip hop sound called "25th of May". Avowed working class socialists from Liverpool, they were like the lovechild of Public Enemy & Jello Biafra. Not really rap, but its obvious they were inspired by the rap/P.E. sound & attitude.

The lyrics to some songs like F.T.R.T.V. (Fuck the Right to Vote) blew my (young) mind at the time. The lyrics (in hindsight) were also Dead Kennedys inspired. The sound appealed to radio, and they gained a lot press initially, but they were obviously going nowhere with attitudes like that.

F.T.R.T.V. on youtube
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Postby JackRiddler » Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:43 am

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Immortal Technique's track, Peruvian Cocaine, is not "conspiracy theory." It's sociology. Of a high order. Not that they'll teach this material in many college courses.

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Postby lightningBugout » Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:46 am

Don't you think most Americans would file any reference to CIA involvement in the drug trade under "conspiracy" if not "conspiracy theory."
"What's robbing a bank compared with founding a bank?" Bertolt Brecht
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Postby Wombaticus Rex » Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:56 am

JackRiddler wrote:Immortal Technique's track, Peruvian Cocaine, is not "conspiracy theory." It's sociology. Of a high order. Not that they'll teach this material in many college courses.


Immortal Tech is pretty unique. The fact he's a musician allows him to be way more militant and active than a mere "researcher" or "blogger" could ever get away with. Art is dope that way.

Peruvian Coke is one of the best storytelling tracks in hip hop history and I put it onto mixes all the time, to this day.
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Postby JackRiddler » Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:58 am

lightningBugout wrote:Don't you think most Americans would file any reference to CIA involvement in the drug trade under "conspiracy" if not "conspiracy theory."


Maybe, but it would be a limited view. The history of CIA and US intel involvement in drug trades on an industrial scale, dating back to World War II, is well-documented. It involves conspiracy, of course, but that's a less-than useful synonym for organized crime.

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Postby §ê¢rꆧ » Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:14 am

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Still, most people don't get it, and think you are spouting conspiracy theory when you bring up black op narco-trafficking, sadly.

I'm going to see Immortal Technique in November at a show where I work. I'm very psyched up!
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Postby BOOGIE66 » Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:28 am

illogik wrote:
nice to have found this spot, i was over on gnn, and it's nearing demise had me looking for a new spot.

namaste everybody.
illogik
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Whats up man? EGisJUICE from gnn here...
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Postby BOOGIE66 » Wed Oct 14, 2009 8:06 am

lightningBugout wrote:Don't you think most Americans would file any reference to CIA involvement in the drug trade under "conspiracy" if not "conspiracy theory."


People shouldn't put all that much into what most Americans would/do think about anything. After all, at one time most Americans thought slavery was ok.
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Postby Wombaticus Rex » Wed Oct 14, 2009 9:40 am

BOOGIE66 wrote:
lightningBugout wrote:Don't you think most Americans would file any reference to CIA involvement in the drug trade under "conspiracy" if not "conspiracy theory."


People shouldn't put all that much into what most Americans would/do think about anything. After all, at one time most Americans thought slavery was ok.


Unless the poster in question is talking specifically about "what most Americans would think" -- in which case there's nothing else to talk about.

You know?
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Postby JackRiddler » Wed Oct 14, 2009 4:02 pm

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Anyway, even if the lines about CIA inspire defensive labeling in polite Beltway society, my point about "Peruvian Cocaine" stands: I doubt one could be more efficient (or rhythmic) in writing a capsule sociology of the drug war.

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