LHC director: 'Out of this door might come something'

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Postby Nordic » Fri Nov 13, 2009 10:50 pm

8bitagent wrote:I never got the theory that Oppenheimer/Parsons actions opened up a portal rift for UFOS. Any cursory examination of UFO phenomenon in America shows it had been happening in America long before that(including phantom airships) A famous alleged crash/flap happened in 1941, and then theres the infamous Battle of Los Angeles in 1942 where the army was firing at UFOs for two hours above LA


Yeah, but c'mon, you're forgetting about the time-travel aspect to this! Sure, the portal was opened in 1947, but then they came through in different time periods, all the way back to the Egyptians!

It's obvious, right? :D
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Postby Jeff » Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:27 am

Paper available at link

Theoretical survey of tidal-charged black holes at the LHC

Roberto Casadio, Sergio Fabi, Benjamin Harms, Octavian Micu
(Submitted on 10 Nov 2009)

Abstract: We analyse a family of brane-world black holes which solve the effective four-dimensional Einstein equations for a wide range of parameters related to the unknown bulk/brane physics. We first constrain the parameters using known experimental bounds and, for the allowed cases, perform a numerical analysis of their time evolution, which includes accretion through the Earth. The study is aimed at predicting the typical behavior one can expect if such black holes were produced at the LHC. Most notably, we find that, under no circumstances, the black holes would reach the (hazardous) regime of Bondi accretion. Nonetheless, the possibility remains that black holes live long enough to escape from the accelerator (and even from the Earth's gravitational field) and result in missing energy from the detectors.

http://arxiv.org/abs/0911.1884v1


From Man-Made (But Very Tiny) Black Holes Possible (Discovery News, Ian O'Neill, Nov 12)

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So, what did the researchers from Italy, US and Germany find out?

"First, we found that tidal black holes would evaporate (almost) instantly," says Roberto Casadio from the University of Bologna, Italy, and his three colleagues in their publication titled Theoretical survey of tidal-charged black holes at the LHC.

This is all well and good, but what if a micro-black hole shoots through the Earth at high speed?

"[We] show that the black holes with a large value of the initial momentum would cross the Earth in a matter of seconds and come out with velocities much larger than the Earth's escape velocity," say Casadio et al.

Once these speeding black holes pop out the other side of the Earth, they stop accreting mass (from the Earth's interior) and are flung into space and evaporate as they radiate Hawking Radiation. But don't worry about these welterweights punching a hole in the ground beneath you, on the entire trip through our planet, a single black hole will have swept up a meager 10-22 kg of rock.

10-22 kg is the mass of a hemoglobin molecule inside a red blood cell.

But say if the black hole isn't very speedy and it drops like a stone into the Earth... and stays there?

The researchers point out that the slower the black hole, the less mass it accretes; so although it might pop out of the LHC and sink into our planet, it will suck up very little mass.

If a slow-moving micro-black hole set up home inside Earth and sat there for 13.7 billion years (the age of the Universe), it would weigh in at a puny 10-18 kg (the mass of a virus).

"Our overall conclusion is therefore that the tidal charged black holes are a viable model of micro-black holes which might be produced at the LHC. The model predicts that such black holes cannot grow to catastrophic size, but might live long enough to escape the detectors and result in significant amounts of missing energy." --Casadio et al., 2009

When the LHC gets fired up in the coming weeks, let's see if any energy goes "missing" after a particle collision, it might be a sign of black hole birth (but not of the "Earth-munching" variety).

http://news.discovery.com/space/the-lhc ... raner.html
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Postby xsicbastardx » Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:38 am

I wonder if the LHC is what will cause the Earths destruction in 2012?
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Postby Col. Quisp » Sun Nov 15, 2009 1:04 am

Sorcha Faal explains it all to you:
http://www.aeonia.com/mysterious-sun-ga ... th-america
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Postby barracuda » Sun Nov 15, 2009 3:12 am

the researchers wrote:We analyse a family of brane-world black holes which solve the effective four-dimensional Einstein equations for a wide range of parameters related to the unknown bulk/brane physics.


The opening sentence of the abstract is not a great confidence builder.

Nonetheless, the possibility remains...


Another phrase which was not hoped for in this context.

If a slow-moving micro-black hole set up home inside Earth and sat there for 13.7 billion years (the age of the Universe), it would weigh in at a puny 10-18 kg (the mass of a virus).


While they try to make it sound as if there will only be one of these little bad boys, the keyword here is "virus".
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Postby Blue » Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:30 pm

Interesting what the author, Dr. Ian, of that Discovery article says in the comments section:

This is the thing, some physicists have expressed concern that if the Higgs boson is discovered, it could be the end of particle physics as we know it. The Standard Model would be tied up and there would be little point in investing billions of $ in accelerators. I'd argue that string theory (and all the good stuff linking to string theory) is worth investing LHC-scale sums of money, so these fears will hopefully be unfounded.

I'm no scientist but I thought most physicists were leaning towards the Membrane theory over String theory so it seems odd he thinks billions of dollars should be invested in ST.
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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Mon Nov 16, 2009 2:49 am

82_28 wrote:
I'm worried about the "halfway" affects. If instead of completely obliterating everything, we are entered into a sort of hellish half-existence, or we get stuck in some kind of demonic porthole, or a place where we're in a millenium-long inexorable decline into hell.


Anybody ever play the Half-Life series? Worth playing, if not. . .

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0239023/plotsummary


No doubt you've seen this then.
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Postby justdrew » Mon Nov 16, 2009 5:17 am

Blue wrote:Interesting what the author, Dr. Ian, of that Discovery article says in the comments section:

This is the thing, some physicists have expressed concern that if the Higgs boson is discovered, it could be the end of particle physics as we know it. The Standard Model would be tied up and there would be little point in investing billions of $ in accelerators. I'd argue that string theory (and all the good stuff linking to string theory) is worth investing LHC-scale sums of money, so these fears will hopefully be unfounded.

I'm no scientist but I thought most physicists were leaning towards the Membrane theory over String theory so it seems odd he thinks billions of dollars should be invested in ST.


it's used as science writer short hand there...

In theoretical physics, a membrane, brane, or p-brane is a spatially extended mathematical concept that appears in string theory and its relatives (M-theory and brane cosmology) that exists in a static number of dimensions.

The variable p refers to the number of spatial dimensions of the brane. That is, a 0-brane is a zero-dimensional pointlike particle, a 1-brane is a string, that can either be open or closed, a 2-brane is a "membrane", etc. Every p-brane sweeps out a (p+1)-dimensional world volume as it propagates through spacetime.
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Postby 82_28 » Mon Nov 16, 2009 5:51 am

Joe Hillshoist wrote:
82_28 wrote:
I'm worried about the "halfway" affects. If instead of completely obliterating everything, we are entered into a sort of hellish half-existence, or we get stuck in some kind of demonic porthole, or a place where we're in a millenium-long inexorable decline into hell.


Anybody ever play the Half-Life series? Worth playing, if not. . .

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0239023/plotsummary


No doubt you've seen this then.


Nope. Not until now. "Thanks".

:(
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Postby 82_28 » Mon Nov 16, 2009 6:05 am

It occurs to me that the scientists, physicists etc in Half Life are always decidedly idiots. Assholes. Self absorbed. Now, now, Gordon. Etc.

Does life imitate the science or do games portend the future of well, fascism?

There must be a science to fascism, no?
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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Mon Nov 16, 2009 6:15 am

82_28 wrote:
Joe Hillshoist wrote:
82_28 wrote:
I'm worried about the "halfway" affects. If instead of completely obliterating everything, we are entered into a sort of hellish half-existence, or we get stuck in some kind of demonic porthole, or a place where we're in a millenium-long inexorable decline into hell.


Anybody ever play the Half-Life series? Worth playing, if not. . .

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0239023/plotsummary


No doubt you've seen this then.


Nope. Not until now. "Thanks".

:(


Well at least he's got the crowbar now.

Thats something.
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Postby 82_28 » Mon Nov 16, 2009 6:17 am

I knew I'd read this book back in high school. Just decided now to look it up.

Earth is the name of the book. Deals with "tiny black holes". . .

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/de ... 055329024X

4.0 out of 5 stars Massive science, presence, topicality and purpose, October 7, 2009
By M-I-K-E 2theD "2theD" (Ban Chang, Rayong, Thailand) - See all my reviews
The front cover of the books says the story is `an epic story of our world's future' and the rear covers it's `The Moby-Dick of the whole earth movement.' These two statements aren't far from the truth. The scope of Earth is massive; might I say to the point of being overpowering? Obviously Brin had a clear-cut idea of what our 2038 future will look like and tailors the technology of our near-future and far-future to match this destination. He covers geology, aerospace tech, cyber tech (the book was published in 1990 so his ideas are on the brink of visionary), biology, climatology, theoretical physics and just so much more! The amount of research that went into the making of this novel must have been daunting but what has been produced is a success.

Though the book may be rather thick (probably about 200,000 words) the plot still maintains a good drive, only hiccupping once or twice. Some of the later metaphorical stuff can be a little dampening on the plot focus. The ending, too, is a little open. It's not like I always want a clear cut ending with all the details spilt on my reading plate, but after consuming so much of Earth I was a little disappointed that some ends didn't come together, as in the ultimate origin and reason for Beta's existence (mentioned here and there but left to the reader to put one-and-one together?).

Though 19 years old, all the areas of concern are still topical. While I'm not a keen reader of earth-man-made-disaster sci-fi books, this would be a must read for anyone concerned about the plight of earth. Granted, finding a black hole within the earth may be remote, but taking in the bigger picture of how humans relate to each other and to the earth makes Brin's Earth purposeful. It may help to picture David Brin's Earth as Al Gore's `The Inconvenient Truth' but with more theoretical overtones, a better storyline and more humanism... and less Al Gore.
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Postby orz » Tue Nov 17, 2009 2:52 pm

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Postby Blue » Tue Nov 17, 2009 5:00 pm

justdrew wrote:
it's used as science writer short hand there...

In theoretical physics, a membrane, brane, or p-brane is a spatially extended mathematical concept that appears in string theory and its relatives (M-theory and brane cosmology) that exists in a static number of dimensions.

The variable p refers to the number of spatial dimensions of the brane. That is, a 0-brane is a zero-dimensional pointlike particle, a 1-brane is a string, that can either be open or closed, a 2-brane is a "membrane", etc. Every p-brane sweeps out a (p+1)-dimensional world volume as it propagates through spacetime.


Thanks for explaining that, justdrew. Just goes to show that everything really is connected. I love their little "p-brane" inside joke.
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Postby JackRiddler » Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:50 am

xsicbastardx wrote:I wonder if the LHC is what will cause the Earths destruction in 2012?


Can we go back to worrying about the continuing threat of nuclear war, please? How about asteroid impacts?
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