Anthropogenic climate change poll

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Is Anthropogenic climate change a reality?

Absolutely. There is no longer any doubt.
25
34%
Yes. While the data is still debatable, it's just a question of degree.
22
30%
agnostic
9
12%
Probably not. Climate change is much more likely due to natural causes.
6
8%
No. The theory of anthropogenic climate change is a deliberate fraud.
6
8%
Who cares?
3
4%
You'll have to pry my incandescent light bulbs out of my cold, dead hands.
2
3%
 
Total votes : 73

Re: Anthropogenic climate change poll

Postby wintler2 » Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:32 am

Following last weeks revelations on the fradulent charity status AGW-denying Heartland Institute, similar questions are being asked about Australia's similarly AGW-denying & pro-'free market' neoliberal thinktank, the Institute for Public Affairs.

Isn't it an amazing coincidence that all these secretive PR/lobbying orgs funded by the very rich are AGW deniers? Anyone would think the planet-fuckers had something to hide.


The shadowy world of IPA finances

Last week's revelations about the Heartland Institute, probably the most important climate science denying organisation in the United States, raise some questions about the murky influence of think tanks on the climate debate in this country.

Confidential documents from the Heartland Institute reveal how wealthy individuals have actively promoted the campaign to attack the credibility of the world's top climate scientists and create the impression that there is a controversy about the main propositions of global warming science.

In fact the bulk of Heartland's climate science denial campaign - which includes plans to promote anti-science in schools - has been funded by one donor, whose name did not appear in the purloined documents.

There is a direct Australian link in the Heartland Institute files. Bob Carter, an adjunct research professor at James Cook University, has a long-standing record of denying climate science. Now it is revealed that he is on the payroll of the Heartland Institute, to the tune of $1,667 per month for unspecified work. On his personal webpage, Carter declares that "he receives no research funding from special interest organisations such as environmental groups, energy companies or government departments," a claim that on the scale of truth matches his reporting of climate science.

Carter is also a fellow at the right-wing Melbourne think tank, the Institute of Public Affairs (IPA), which has for many years been the principal originator of anti-climate science propaganda in this country. The IPA is closely linked to the Heartland Institute, not least through its sponsorship of two of its recent conferences.

The secret funding of the Heartland Institute once again focuses attention on the financing of the IPA and particularly it sustained attacks on climate science and all policies aimed at cutting Australia's greenhouse gas emissions.

The IPA is notoriously secretive about its sources of funding. Its senior staff have refused to answer journalists' questions, although over the years enough information has leaked out to suggest that much of its funding has come from the oil and mining industries, including Exxon, Shell, Caltex and BHP-Billiton.

The IPA's executive director John Roskam, who used to work for Rio Tinto, has said that donors to the Institute want to remain anonymous because they "have been intimidated because of their supposed support for us".

The IPA's coyness is all the more hypocritical because a few years ago it launched a sustained attack on NGOs by claiming they were unaccountable, unrepresentative and not worthy of charitable status. The demand for transparency applies to everyone but itself.

Despite its refusal to divulge, we can make a good guess at where a large part of its recent funding has come from - right-wing mining billionaire Gina Rinehart.

In August 2010 the Institute's magazine carried a prominent article by one of its staff titled "Unleash the North". It advocated the creation of a special economic zone to cover the northern half of the continent where companies would have lower levels of regulation, cheap labour could be imported from developing countries and tax rates would be cut.

This proposal exactly parallels Gina Rinehart's campaign for a special economic zone in northern Australia where companies like hers could enjoy special privileges. She has set up a lobby group called Australians for Northern Development and Economic Vision (ANDEV) to promote the idea.

Within months the Institute had established a new ‘North Australia Project', with its own website, and from May 2011 began churning out media releases promoting the special economic zone, beginning with a "landmark Galaxy poll" that purported to show that 60 per cent of Australians "think Canberra is out of touch with Northern Australia".

(In a move that shows polling groups will pose the most absurd questions if paid enough to do so, Galaxy asked whether "in your opinion, do decision makers in Canberra understand the needs of families and businesses living in Northern Australia?" as if the average punter is au faitwith the needs of families and businesses in semi-tropical Australia and equally well-informed what "Canberra" thinks about it.)

The new director of the North Australia Project, Hugh Tobin, declared:

The government should put in place a Special Economic Zone in Northern Australia. A low tax, low regulation zone would drive continued long term investment in the Australian resource industry.

John Roskam also began spruiking the marvels of Rinehart's northern zone.

Subsequent media releases warned of an out-of-touch Canberra, the danger of falling iron ore prices, the fragility of the resources boom, skills shortages, and the need to cut taxes and simplify regulation. They call for a "business friendly", "low tax, low regulation Special Economic Zone". The IPA's outpourings have been reproduced in mining industry magazines and will undoubtedly soon be echoed by right-wing newspaper columnists.

If the words in the media releases were not dictated down the phone by Gina Rinehart, then they could have been. I would be willing to bet $1,000 that she is now a major funder of the Institute of Public Affairs. In fact, the IPA has admitted that it is "working with Australians for Northern Development and Economic Vision", Rinehart's lobby group.

In June 2011 the IPA said it was conducting a series of seminars throughout Northern Australia to "build the case for, and gather input into the establishment of a Northern SEZ". It has taken Bob Carter to Weipa, Kunanurra, Darwin, Broome, Mount Isa and several more towns.

Clearly, like its long-running involvement in the climate debate, the IPA is conducting a political campaign, which brings us directly to the question of whether the Institute is abiding by the laws under which it operates as a deductible gift recipient.

In 1987 the IPA restructured itself as a company limited by guarantee, which means that its directors are not liable for any debts it might incur. The restructure enabled it to apply to become an Approved Research Institute (ARI) and thus be eligible for endorsement as a deductible gift recipient (DGR). In other words, donors to the Institute would be able to claim a tax deduction for their donations. DGR status is the most valuable asset of an organisation like the IPA because without it virtually no-one would donate.

In order for the IPA to become a DGR it had to apply to the Secretary of what is now the Federal Department of Innovation, Industry, Science and Research giving various undertakings.

Most importantly, it had to undertake to use all tax-deductible donations exclusively for scientific research, more particularly, "scientific research which is, or may prove to be, of value to Australia". In this context, the authorities have ruled that "scientific research" includes social scientific research.

The IPA also had to undertake to create a separate bank account into which all tax-deductible gifts must be deposited. The Institute's financial statements show that it keeps some of its cash in an account called "NAB Research Account". On June 30, 2010 it held $385,647.

It must also ensure that all disbursements from this research account are evaluated and approved by "a suitably qualified research committee" of at least five members, the majority of whom are appropriately qualified in the field of research that is to be undertaken or have appropriate experience in reviewing research, and who should be nominated on the basis of their "proven ability to direct a research program". As far as I can tell, the IPA has not made public the membership of its research committee.

The rules state explicitly that tax-deductible funds may not be used for "the organisation of conferences, congresses and symposia and the publication of information (other than the results of the ARI's own research work, undertaken through this program)."

All of this raises the question of whether donations to the IPA for which the donor has claimed a tax deduction are being used in compliance with the law.

The IPA has devoted considerable resources to staging public meetings to campaign against the Federal Government's carbon tax. In the year to June 30, 2010 it hosted 40 events around the country. This is clearly a political campaign; in no sense could these activities be called scientific research. So were the public meetings funded from tax deductible gifts? Did the Institute's research committee approve spending on these events? It may well be that they were funded from other sources, but we can't tell because of the IPA's lack of disclosure.

Similar questions can be asked about the series of seminars the IPA is conducting in northern Australia to build support for a special economic zone. It would be hard to defend these activities as "scientific research". The funds, it would seem, are being spent on "the organisation of conferences, congresses and symposia" on which tax-deductible gifts may not be spent.

Last year the IPA paid for two full-page advertisements in the Australian attacking the Government's climate change policy. The cost would have been in the order of $100,000. Who paid for them? Were they paid for with tax deductible gifts?

While we cannot be sure why the IPA refuses to come clean about its sources of funds, or what those sources are, if it were to be revealed that they included the mining industry or mining magnates then journalists would be obliged to report the fact each time they wrote a story about the IPA. The environment groups that the IPA has attacked for lack of accountability are transparent about their funding, yet the IPA knows that its credibility would be shot if it were seen to be the mouthpiece of big business with an interest in undermining climate science and climate policy.

The public may not have the means to shed light on the murky world of IPA finances, but the Tax Commissioner does. He should open up the Institute's books to ensure it is complying with the law and to force on the IPA the transparency it demands of others.

Clive Hamilton is Professor of Public Ethics at Charles Sturt University in Canberra. He was formerly the executive director of the Australia Institute, which he founded in 1994.
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Re: Anthropogenic climate change poll

Postby Ben D » Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:52 am

The Not-So-Vast Conspiracy Stolen documents show the tiny budget of global warming skeptics.

When did it become received media wisdom that global warming skepticism was all the work of shadowy right-wing groups lavishly funded by oil companies? As best we can tell, it started with a 1995 Harper's magazine article claiming to expose this "high-powered engine of disinformation." Today anyone who raises a doubt about the causes of global warming is accused of fronting for, say, Exxon, whatever the facts.

Now comes a rare glimpse inside the allegedly antiscience behemoth, with the online publication last week of documents purloined from the conservative Heartland Institute. The files appear to contain detailed financial, donor and personnel information and outline the think-tank's projects. Chicago-based Heartland says one of the documents is fake and warns that others may have been altered.

Given the coverage the story has generated, you'd think some vast conspiracy had been uncovered. Heartland is, according to the Associated Press, "one of the loudest voices denying human-caused global warming, hosting the largest international scientific conference of skeptics on climate change." The Vancouver Sun reports that it is "heavily funded by right-wing industrialist Charles Koch," while the Virginian-Pilot dubs it "the ideological center of the denial movement."

So how flush is Heartland? The documents show the group is expecting revenues of $7.7 million this year, mostly from private donations and grants. Mr. Koch's "heavy" funding came to $25,000 in 2011, though the Heartland "Fundraising Plan" has it hoping for an increase in 2012. To put those numbers in not-for-profit perspective, last year the Natural Resources Defense Council reported $95.4 million in operating revenues, while the World Wildlife Fund took in $238.5 million.

Press coverage has focused in particular on Heartland's plans to produce and distribute "educational material suitable for K-12 students on global warming that isn't alarmist or overtly political." Heartland is budgeting $200,000 this year for the effort, which in the past has "had only limited success," per one of the documents. Little wonder if teachers aren't returning Heartland's calls: Last year the World Wildlife Fund spent $68.5 million on "public education" alone.

As for "the largest international scientific conference of skeptics," Heartland will, according to the documents, spend all of $388,000 this year on the Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change. That's against the $6.5 million that the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change costs Western taxpayers annually, and the $2.6 billion the White House wants to spend next year on research into "the global changes that have resulted primarily from global over-dependence on fossil fuels."

In the pages of Rolling Stone last summer, Al Gore warned of the "Polluters and Ideologues [sic] . . . . spending hundreds of millions of dollars each year on misleading advertisements in the mass media." He had the wrong spenders.

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Re: Anthropogenic climate change poll

Postby tazmic » Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:13 pm

The Times, caught in Climate Change Denial

The irony...
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Re: Anthropogenic climate change poll

Postby Ben D » Thu Mar 01, 2012 3:57 am

We live in interesting times, another year will do it.... :)

Day of reckoning draws nearer for IPCC

Abstract: Global temperatures measured since 2005 are incompatible with the IPCC model predictions made in 2007 by WG1 in AR4. All subsequent temperature data from 2006 to 2011 lies between 1 and 6 standard deviations below the model predictions. The data show with > 90% confidence level that the models have over-exaggerated global warming.

Background: In 200o an IPCC special report proposed several future economic scenarios each with a different CO2 emission profile. For the 2007 assessment report these scenarios were used to model predictions for future global temperatures. The results for each of the scenarios were then used to lobby governments. It would appear that as a result of these predictions, there is one favoured scenario – namely B1 which alone is capable of limiting temperature rises to 2 degrees.


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Figure 3: TS figure from WP1 updated with the latest temperature data from HADCRUT3. The black curve is an FFT smooth through all points. Curves are (quoting TS): Multi-model means of surface warming (compared to the 1980–1999 base period) for the SRES scenarios A2 (red), A1B (green) and B1 (blue), shown as continuations of the 20th-century simulation. The latter two scenarios are continued beyond the year 2100 with forcing kept constant (committed climate change as it is defined in Box TS.9). An additional experiment, in which the forcing is kept at the year 2000 level is also shown (orange).


The total probability that IPCC predictions are correct but the data points are just a fluctuation is vanishingly small ~ 10^-14 ! It is therefore possible to state with over 90% confidence that the IPCC 2007 model predictions are incorrect and exaggerate any warming. Will we have to wait another year for the 2012 data to be published before the IPCC admit that they have simply got it wrong ?
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Re: Anthropogenic climate change poll

Postby wintler2 » Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:30 am

Ben D wrote:We live in interesting times, another year will do it.... :)

Day of reckoning draws nearer for IPCC

Abstract: Global temperatures measured since 2005 are incompatible with the IPCC model predictions made in 2007 by WG1 in AR4. ...


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And by the way - who is Clive Best? The blog you cite clivebest.com gives no info at all, and tho wattsupwiththat.com calls Clive a Dr, doesn't disclose what of. I see his travel writing is a cut above his climate stuff...
Our unexpected visit to Hong Kong is nearly over. Hong Kong is one of my favourite cities where somehow everything really works well. The metro is efficient and clean. The streets are washed daily, everyone is friendly and the shopping malls are amazing...
http://clivebest.com/blog/?p=2065
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Postby wintler2 » Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:40 am

Scientist accepts 'cash for climate'

A PROMINENT Australian scientist has rejected as offensive any suggestion he is doing the bidding of a US climate-sceptic think tank that is paying him a monthly fee. ...

One of the recipients of funding is Professor Bob Carter of James Cook University, a geologist and marine researcher who spoke at the "convoys of no confidence" protests [bankrolled by mining billionaire Rinehart] against the carbon price last year alongside the [catholic fundamentalist Tory] Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott, and writes columns for [cop-bribing] News Ltd newspapers.

The documents show Professor Carter receives a "monthly payment" of $US1667 ($1550) as part of a program to pay "high-profile individuals who regularly and publicly counter the alarmist [anthropogenic global warming] message".

Professor Carter did not deny he was being paid by The Heartland Institute, but would not confirm the amount, or if the think tank expected anything in return for its money. ...

"That suggestion is silly and offensive - a kindergarten level argument," Professor Carter told The Age.

"Institutions or organisations simply pay for services rendered - in the same way that an architect is paid for their work, so are scientists," he said. "What they may make any payment to me for, I'm not discussing with anybody outside of my family."

Altogether, more than $US20 million had been spent funding and co-ordinating the activities of climate sceptics and bloggers since 2007, the documents suggest.

Other cash recipients include Anthony Watts, the leading US climate sceptic blogger, who is to receive $US90,000 for his work this year. Programs slated for funding include new curriculum modules that teach science from a climate-sceptic perspective, to be sent to US schools.


So Bob Carter gets 20k/yr, and Anthony Watts gets 90k/yr .. guess which one is the tv weatherman and which the real scientist (tho not in climate)? To be fair, Bob is getting on a bit.
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Re: Anthropogenic climate change poll

Postby tazmic » Thu Mar 01, 2012 3:59 pm

wintler2 wrote:
Ben D wrote:We live in interesting times, another year will do it.... :)

Day of reckoning draws nearer for IPCC

Abstract: Global temperatures measured since 2005 are incompatible with the IPCC model predictions made in 2007 by WG1 in AR4. ...


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Where's the CO2 in your graph Wintler? You used to do much better than this. It'd be nice if you addressed Ben's post instead of just sticking your fingers up.

It reminds me of thread about the paper discussing how long a period of no statistically significant temperature change had to be to conclusively discount the models. You accused me of cherry picking and C2W said she "didn't know" if that was somewhat disingenuous. Hmmm, perhaps you didn't used to do better.

What's your mocking graph supposed to show anyway? That skeptics mistakenly observe a second order temperature trend in the data that when projected suggests an accelerated warming - and the realists think temperature in just increasing linearly?

Is that what you think?
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Re: Anthropogenic climate change poll

Postby wintler2 » Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:19 pm

tazmic wrote:Where's the CO2 in your graph Wintler?

Its a temp anomaly graph tazmic - thats what it says on the left axis.

tazmic wrote:It reminds me of thread about the paper discussing how long a period of no statistically significant temperature change had to be to conclusively discount the models.

What thread? It reminds me of countless vague claims by AGW deniers on this site. Do you think five years is enough to prove anything about a 120yr trend?

tazmic wrote:What's your mocking graph supposed to show anyway? That skeptics mistakenly observe a second order temperature trend in the data that when projected suggests an accelerated warming - and the realists think temperature in just increasing linearly? Is that what you think?

The graph shows how cherrypicking of short time periods enables pretense that temp isn't rising, same deceit as in the temp graph BenD posted from the fabulously bland travelwriter Clive Best and as with many many posts on wattsupwiththat.com .
clivebest.com wrote:..Global temperatures measured since 2005 are incompatible with the IPCC model predictions made in 2007..

Bingo!
I'd post a dozen or so examples from the Heartland Institute funded wattsupwiththat.com or the creepy Lord Monkton, but i want to get paid at least as much as tv weatherman Anthony Watts or Bob Cretaceous-era Carter.
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Postby wintler2 » Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:18 pm

For wanderers..

Arctic Updates 2008-present, 28pgs. Oldest extant AGW thread, ah the memories!

"Earth Getting Mysteriously Windier" 9pgs, my all time fav thread title.

Global Warming, eh? 2011-12, 29pgs, locked. what happened there anyway mods? sheer nausea?

How Bad Is Global Warming? 14pgs

The climate change denial industry

Daily Telegraph censors criticism of AGW-denier Monkton

Case closed: “Climategate” was manufactured
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Re: Anthropogenic climate change poll

Postby wintler2 » Fri Mar 02, 2012 7:24 am

Present ocean acidification rates are unprecedented: research

The world's oceans may be turning acidic faster today from human carbon emissions than they did during four major extinctions in the last 300 million years, when natural pulses of carbon sent global temperatures soaring, says a new study in Science. The study is the first of its kind to survey the geologic record for evidence of ocean acidification over this vast time period.

... In a review of hundreds of paleoceanographic studies, a team of researchers from five countries found evidence for only one period in the last 300 million years when the oceans changed even remotely as fast as today: the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum, or PETM, some 56 million years ago. In the early 1990s, scientists extracting sediments from the seafloor off Antarctica found a layer of mud from this period wedged between thick deposits of white plankton fossils. In a span of about 5,000 years, they estimated, a mysterious surge of carbon doubled atmospheric concentrations, pushed average global temperatures up by about 6 degrees C, and dramatically changed the ecological landscape.

The result: carbonate plankton shells littering the seafloor dissolved, leaving the brown layer of mud. As many as half of all species of benthic foraminifers, a group of single-celled organisms that live at the ocean bottom, went extinct, suggesting that organisms higher in the food chain may have also disappeared, said study co-author Ellen Thomas ... "It's really unusual that you lose more than 5 to 10 percent of species over less than 20,000 years,"
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Postby DrVolin » Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:03 am

Now that above is an interesting observation. For once, it uses a reasonable time scale and shows unusual change both in rate and magnitude. Or at least claims to. I have to check that paper out in more detail.
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Postby wintler2 » Tue Mar 13, 2012 6:13 pm

CSIRO + BoM 'State of the Climate'

In a joint CSIRO/Bureau of Meteorology statement released today, Australia’s two lead climate science agencies have produced a snapshot of the state of the climate to update Australians about how their climate has changed and what it means.

Changes observed include:

Highly variable rainfall across the country, with substantial increases in rainfall in northern and central parts of Australia, as well as significant decreases across much of southern and eastern Australia.

Rapidly rising sea levels from 1993 to 2009, with levels around Australia rising, between 1.5cm and 3cm per decade in Australia’s south and east and between 7cm and 9cm in the country’s north

About half of the observed reduction in winter rainfall in south-west Western Australia can be explained by higher greenhouse gas levels. ...


from the 6 pg pdf ..
Since 1960 the mean temperature in Australia has increased by about 0.7 °C . The long term trend in temperature is clear, but there is still substantial year to year variability of about plus/minus 0.5 °C. Some areas have experienced a warming of 1.5 to 2 ºC over the last 50 years. ..

Sea surface temperatures around Australia have increased by about 0.4°C in the past 50 years ..

Recent research shows that ocean acidification decreases the ability of marine plants and
animals to form shells. Such effects are now being observed at the base of the food chain in the Southern Ocean. This has far-reaching implications for the health of ocean ecosystems around the world. ...

Climate change is real. ..
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Postby wintler2 » Sun Apr 08, 2012 8:52 pm

30-year-old global temperature prediction of warming close to spot-on
Sometimes it helps to take a step back from the everyday pressures of research (falling ill helps). It was in this way we stumbled across Hansen et al (1981) (pdf). In 1981 the first author of this post was in his first year at university and the other just entered the KNMI after finishing his masters. Global warming was not yet an issue at the KNMI where the focus was much more on climate variability, which explains why the article of Hansen et al. was unnoticed at that time by the second author. It turns out to be a very interesting read. ..

Given the many uncertainties at the time, notably the role of aerosols, the agreement is very good indeed. They only underestimated the observed trend by about 30%, similar or better in magnitude than the CMIP5 models over the same period (although these tend to overestimate the trend, still mainly due to problems related to aerosols).

To conclude, a projection from 1981 for rising temperatures in a major science journal, at a time that the temperature rise was not yet obvious in the observations, has been found to agree well with the observations since then, underestimating the observed trend by about 30%, and easily beating naive predictions of no-change or a linear continuation of trends. It is also a nice example of a statement based on theory that could be falsified and up to now has withstood the test. The “global warming hypothesis” has been developed according to the principles of sound science.

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Postby Ben D » Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:34 pm

Astronauts condemn NASA’s global warming endorsement

Former NASA scientists, astronauts admonish agency on climate change position

Joint letter to NASA Administrator blasts agency’s policy of ignoring empirical evidence

HOUSTON, TX – April 10, 2012.

49 former NASA scientists and astronauts sent a letter to NASA Administrator Charles Bolden last week admonishing the agency for it’s role in advocating a high degree of certainty that man-made CO2 is a major cause of climate change while neglecting empirical evidence that calls the theory into question.

The group, which includes seven Apollo astronauts and two former directors of NASA’s Johnson Space Center in Houston, are dismayed over the failure of NASA, and specifically the Goddard Institute For Space Studies (GISS), to make an objective assessment of all available scientific data on climate change. They charge that NASA is relying too heavily on complex climate models that have proven scientifically inadequate in predicting climate only one or two decades in advance.

H. Leighton Steward, chairman of the non-profit Plants Need CO2, noted that many of the former NASA scientists harbored doubts about the significance of the C02-climate change theory and have concerns over NASA’s advocacy on the issue. While making presentations in late 2011 to many of the signatories of the letter, Steward realized that the NASA scientists should make their concerns known to NASA and the GISS.

“These American heroes – the astronauts that took to space and the scientists and engineers that put them there – are simply stating their concern over NASA’s extreme advocacy for an unproven theory,” said Leighton Steward. “There’s a concern that if it turns out that CO2 is not a major cause of climate change, NASA will have put the reputation of NASA, NASA’s current and former employees, and even the very reputation of science itself at risk of public ridicule and distrust.”

The full text of the letter:

March 28, 2012

The Honorable Charles Bolden, Jr.
NASA Administrator
NASA Headquarters
Washington, D.C. 20546-0001

Dear Charlie,

We, the undersigned, respectfully request that NASA and the Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) refrain from including unproven remarks in public releases and websites. We believe the claims by NASA and GISS, that man-made carbon dioxide is having a catastrophic impact on global climate change are not substantiated, especially when considering thousands of years of empirical data. With hundreds of well-known climate scientists and tens of thousands of other scientists publicly declaring their disbelief in the catastrophic forecasts, coming particularly from the GISS leadership, it is clear that the science is NOT settled.

The unbridled advocacy of CO2 being the major cause of climate change is unbecoming of NASA’s history of making an objective assessment of all available scientific data prior to making decisions or public statements.

As former NASA employees, we feel that NASA’s advocacy of an extreme position, prior to a thorough study of the possible overwhelming impact of natural climate drivers is inappropriate. We request that NASA refrain from including unproven and unsupported remarks in its future releases and websites on this subject. At risk is damage to the exemplary reputation of NASA, NASA’s current or former scientists and employees, and even the reputation of science itself.

For additional information regarding the science behind our concern, we recommend that you contact Harrison Schmitt or Walter Cunningham, or others they can recommend to you.

Thank you for considering this request.

Sincerely,

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