Confessions Of A Former Alex Jones Fan

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Re: Confessions Of A Former Alex Jones Fan

Postby cptmarginal » Mon Jan 18, 2010 10:42 pm

I have to say, it's completely absurd that capitalism and communism is a false dialectic, and much more absurd to claim that they "shared sources of funding." You should read Michael Parenti's "Blackshirts and Reds" or... any remotely honest take on modern history (William Blum's "Killing Hope" is a good one). The entire agenda of the CIA has always been to destroy communism wherever and whenever it surfaces, to keep the Left from taking power. You can criticize the biggest communist countries, sure, but don't miss the forest for the trees.


Thanks for the reply. I have read tons of Parenti & Killing Hope as well. I think that I should clarify that the Russian-centered communist establishment is exactly what I'm criticizing. In retrospect, it appears that the whole phenomenon was a means of getting people to voluntarily stand up and identify themselves as incompatible with or threatening to "consumer" society - then came the slaughters. Any place that came up with their own egalitarian plans just got railroaded straight into the slaughter; following, of course, a concerted effort to force alignment with Russia and further service the narrative. How convenient that Russia would eventually fail in such a spectacular way! Hollowed out and raided by highly advanced organized criminals abusing the new principles of globalization. (see "McMafia" by Misha Glenny) And how strange that the powerful networks created at this time would show up repeatedly in the "deep politic" story of 9/11.

I say "shared sources of funding" based on dimly remembered data from Sutton's "Wall Street & the Bolshevik Revolution", but I am not attached to that particular point. I am just looking & looking at the whole century's strange outcomes and trying to make sense of them. Most of what I say is a broad hint at something which I think is much more complex, and that the critical events and motivations are not laid out in broad context anywhere. At least not in any book I've read. For example, I've never seen a good overview of what the Vietnam war was all about, how many different things it served. I quote again:

Some think the third World War will be set off by a nuclear missile. For me, that's the way it will end. In the meantime, the figures of an intricate game are developing, a game whose de-coding will give historians of the future - if they are still around - a very hard time. A weird game. Its rules change as the match evolves. To start with, the super powers' rivalry transforms itself not only into a Holy Alliance of the Rich against the Poor, but also into a selective co-elimination of Revolutionary Vanguards, wherever bombs would endanger sources of raw materials. As well as into the manipulation of these vanguards to pursue goals that are not their own. During the last ten years, some groups of forces (often more instinctive than organized) have been trying to play the game themselves - even if they knocked over the pieces. Wherever they tried, they failed. Nevertheless, it's been their being that has the most profoundly transformed politics in our time. This film intends to show some of the steps of this transformation.


Even if the communist establishment was created out of genuine egalitarian goals, I think it's sickeningly obvious that it was a failure and was subverted. So many millions dead at "communist" hands, it defies belief. A great tag-team for the CIA slaughter of the same types of people (i.e. farmers and the intelligent or artistic), even if it was not cooperatively planned that way.

By the way, on the specific topic of Alex Jones:

http://antifascist-calling.blogspot.com ... urder.html
http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stor ... con-raids/
http://www.boingboing.net/2008/06/30/of ... rrori.html
http://cryptogon.com/2002_07_14_blogarc ... l#79012445
http://cryptogon.com/?p=2590

I posted these links to try and show that the endless warnings about "martial law" and "roundups" are a bullshit obfuscation, intentionally or not. We do not even know who the critical players that needed to be rounded up were or are, but it appears to me that it's already happened & still happening. I think that secret events of huge importance are not reported with proper gravity because they are forced into a narrative of psychotic fascism rather than very complex calculation.
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Re: Confessions Of A Former Alex Jones Fan

Postby §ê¢rꆧ » Tue Jan 19, 2010 7:08 pm

I think this was a great thread of 8bit's, and I wanted to post in it the first time around. Lucky me that it's come around again.

I too was taken in a bit by Mr. Jones a few years ago. I mean, he offended my sensibilities in any number of ways (already mentioned - homophobia, racism, religiosity, etc -), but I would make excuses for him. I was addicted to the fear, the show of constant anguish and anger. It was a bit of an adrenalin rush ... and back then, things seemed so ... imminent. It looked like the POB where cracking up big-time, with a total fool in office not even bothering to cover up his evil, liberals and conservatives uniting (tenuously) against aforementioned fool Bush 43.

And yeah, Alex Jones has some great guests on his show sometimes, I think - but he usually talks over them anyhow, so there's little value in that.

Maybe I haven't given up the fear. I'm still here. But I'm glad I'm not listening to Alex Jones any longer. If he comes up as an information source, I won't dismiss it out of hand, but you can bet that I will be looking it over with a critical eye. I think his documentaries are better than his radio show, by a long shot. Because he mostly edits out the really offensive bits in the docs.
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Re: Confessions Of A Former Alex Jones Fan

Postby American Dream » Tue Jan 19, 2010 7:13 pm

..

I too have struggled with apocalyptic tendencies in the past.

There have been times when I was pretty well convinced the end was imminent.

Nowadays, I believe that was all just "wishful thinking"- there's really nothing that will save us from ourselves...
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Re: Confessions Of A Former Alex Jones Fan

Postby Searcher08 » Tue Jan 19, 2010 7:23 pm

American Dream wrote:..

I too have struggled with apocalyptic tendencies in the past.

There have been times when I was pretty well convinced the end was imminent.

Nowadays, I believe that was all just "wishful thinking"- there's really nothing that will save us from ourselves...



Working in IT, I truly thought that there was going to be an almighty crash re Y2K.
I remember at the time that there was almost NO mention of 2012 and then when Y2K didnt happen, all that attention just transferred seamlessly to 2012.

I am open minded about 2012 but think it much more important to be healthy im mind and body, and to put the (at times deeply puny amount of...) knowledge and wisdom gained in life, from whatever sources, into practical effect.
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Re: Confessions Of A Former Alex Jones Fan

Postby 23 » Wed Jan 20, 2010 1:22 am

I have never met a messenger, who made it his aim to tell the truth, who was a perfect messenger.

More often than not, messengers of truth are imperfect.

Alex Jones is no exception.

I listen to him with an ear that separates fact from opinion.

And I am grateful for the facts that he has the courage to unveil, even if I don't agree with all of his opinions.
"Once you label me, you negate me." — Soren Kierkegaard
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