Controlled Opposition: Hard Questions About Alex Jones

[Simulist]

I hear all of your points .. and have heard them lots of times. What strikes me is the snobbery inherent in it.

Nice.

I tried to be gentle while pointing out that in spite of the vocabulary used on this board you are 'the other people'

I am "the other people"? What the hell is that?

[Canadian_watcher]

cw, I really don't want to gang up and I hope you won't take this as further snobbery, but:

It is tough for us to go out into our daily social /work circles and admit that there might actually be a cabal of wealthy powermongers who control the planet across all borders. It's too hard to take and so the baby goes out with the bathwater.

I disagree. It's really really easy and this is what most people seem to think, though they don't talk about it much and avoid those who do because they don't want to be tainted with "politics," they want to talk TV and sports and so forth. I think nathan28's answer is a great one, everyone should probably reread it before proceeding with my lesser thoughts.

Cabal theory is a mystification of reality. There is no "cabal of wealthy powermongers." There are ruling classes who own, and power elites who administrate, a set of overlapping empires (industries, resources, nation-states) that over time have tended to merge into a set of global interests (though the merger is never complete and can be reversed), and from which cabals are often spawned with their own particular agendas.

This is not just a more academic way of saying the same thing. It is a big difference. My wording describes a system that must change - the biggest question being ownership and control of the levers of power, which is capital. If you eliminated any given cabal, the system would not change. It would be reconstituted under different sets of cabals, which together constitute CLASSES.

It's a whole way of life that needs transforming, and not just who runs it. Who runs it is important, insofar as it won't transform overnight and some elites may be slightly more enlightened and move things closer toward that transformation than others, who will make things even worse.

In my view, the problem is the inequality in the distribution of resources and power (capital is a good shorthand) among various groups, the largest of which are left defenseless against well-placed minorities who control capital (and who are both in the state and outside it). Also, the ideology that justifies taking advantage of your power over others to exploit them maximally as a worthy expression of god's will, or of evolution, or of economic rationality (the basis can vary, long as the message is the same).

In Jones's world, it's all about eliminating a THEM who have caused all problems because they hate freedom - after which everyone else is left as free, fully autonomous individuals who will associate in liberty and produce the best possible world through the action of the free market, in which the deserving rise and the undeserving do not. This is pure mythology, and perniciously its only practical result will be to support the hated present system or to allow its next version to be reconstituted after a historical upheaval.

no no, I don't see it as people ganging up on me -- no worries at all about that.

I agree with your post almost completely. I disagree that Jones just wants to eliminate one cabal in the hopes that another won't take its place. I think that he does come off like that to a casual observer though. I think he is weak on solutions full stop, actually. Who can blame him though really? Have you got solutions beyons idealized notions of a dream world? I sure don't, at least not beyond the 'vote the bums out' solution which is the only one I've heard him espouse.

I have learned a lot from Jones' research and even from his ranting. Certainly I've enjoyed his guests and by and large that is why I pay attention to him. If he's got an all-Alex broadcast I can't listen to it.

But the fact that he gives voice to a great many people whom the MSM blackout is incredibly meaningful to me, personally, at this particular point in history. (and no, I do not mean Jesse Ventura)

[Canadian_watcher]

We are the other people
We are the other people
You're the other people too
Found a way to get to you...
Do you think that I'm crazy?
Out of my mind?
Do you think that I creep in the night
And sleep in a phone booth?
Lemme take a minute & tell you my plan
Lemme take a minute & tell who I am
If it doesn't show
Think you better know
I'm another person
Do you think that my pants are too tight
Do you think that I'm creepy?
Lemme take a minute & tell you my plan
Lemme take a minute & tell who I am
If it doesn't show
Think you better know
I'm another person (the verse that really
Goes here has been censored out &
Recorded backwards in a special section
At the end of side one...)
We are the other people
We are the other people
You're the other people too
Found a way to get to you
We are the other people
We are the other people
You're the other people too
Found a way to get to you
Do you think that I love you...
Stupid & blind?
Do you think that I dream through the Night
Of holding you near me?

Lemme take a minute & tell you my plan
Lemme take a minute & tell who I am
If it doesn't show
Think you better know
I'm another person

[Simulist]

Alex Jones looks like a damned fool. He frequently acts like a damned fool. He says a lot of damned fool things.

His detractors already know that, and his admirers resent hearing it.

[Canadian_watcher]

I don't resent hearing it. I SAID it.

You are just sore about this for some reason. Don't know why, really.

[Simulist]

I'm not sore about anything.

Have a great day, sincerely.

[JackRiddler]

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http://leavingalexjonestown.blogspot.com/

Still Waiting for That Race War



So it's been 30 days since the release of Machete, and though border violence has not abated, there seems to be no escalation in Mexican-on-American violence thanks to the movie. I saw it, and it's the usual zany, over-the-top Rodriguez fare. There's a political undertone, but it's hard to take seriously with lines like, "The bullet in his head was stopped by another bullet!". Anyone who takes Machete as a call to arms is seriously disturbed, and could just as easily be swayed by secret government messages in the Sunday comics or something.

[justdrew]

I wish they'd made Hobo with a Shotgun instead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLsfs2YNgAE
(also a new version of the trailer for 2011 has been made. looks like it's actually happening.)

maybe people will take it as a call to arms and we'll end up with a hobo army marching on Washington.

[MinM]

Paul Joseph Watson ‏@PrisonPlanet: Why is the establishment so desperate to reinforce the official narrative behind the death of JFK 50 years later?

Part 2: Alex Jones On The Kennedy Assassination. (I found this one the most damning & interesting in some ways, and it goes into Jones' right hand man, Paul Joseph Watson...)

...it’s apparent that Jones had never even bothered to even turn a page of Marr's book before discussing the topic with him. Instead, Jones literally seemed to be one of the "I've watched JFK and become an instant expert" fraternity.(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnOyOFj_n4w). Jones kicked off proceedings by absurdly stating that Kennedy was very much an Eastern establishment 'Blue blood'. To which Marr's replied to the contrary and gave him a run down of Kennedy's family background (http://www.youtube.co /watch?v=U1eI2_NricM) How on earth anyone
could think of JFK a 2nd generation Irish Catholic as being a waspish member of the Eastern establishment is beyond me. (http://www.annrachelmarlowe.com/2005/08 ... od-values/}

Alex Jones Part 3: Kennedy Assassination, Bohemian Grove and Conclusion.

Carl Ogelsby a well respected commentator and researcher in the Assassination community said in the 1992 documentary ‘Beyond JFK; The Question of Conspiracy’

“We must be careful of running into the ether of our own
imaginations”

And, of course, for more hard questions about Alex Jones, see 8bitagent's thread "Confessions of a former Alex Jones fan"

[8bitagent]

Ultimately, hate to say it...but ultimately history will see Alex Jones simply as the guy whose talk show Charlie Sheen went nuts on