Catch 'em Young: AIPAC Subversion of the USG

[Nordic]

. This thread has probably been trolled to death, exactly as the troll intended. .

Yup. That's exactly how it works. This was a classic case.

Again, why this behavior is tolerated here is beyond me and, frankly, astounding.

[norton ash]

Ahh, no worries, I got the take-away in the midst of the yadda-yadda.

17 breezes is about as predictable and engaging as a robot voice on a switchboard.

"You've said something bad about Israel. You are an anti-semite."

Or the more nuanced auto-reply from others.

"Alice has posted a substantive article about AIPAC activities. Alice is vociferously opposed to Israel. Alice has posted questionable material in the past. Therefore, it is always fair game to criticize anything Alice posts, and treat bots like 17 breezes as somehow useful."

Anyway, fuck AIPAC, fuck congress, ummm... NAUGHTY Israel, and fuck the defenders of power, corruption and lies.

[JackRiddler]

Alice: "I asked for ONE quote FROM ME"

and besides several quotes from you, I provided links to hundreds of quotes from you, in the form of a search documenting the very long history of our exchanges, which I don't plan on repeating here. We've both done that work, and I'm not playing the "start at zero" game, so that each time you post you get to pretend there isn't a history and you're just an innocent in the woods.

You don't make up facts, though you rely on some faulty ones (I think here of 9/11 especially).

You cherrypick and focus exclusively on the same ones over and over, to create an image of exclusively "Zionist" perfidy in a world where everything else, including the pursuit of "real" "American interests," would have been just fine without them. It's not that "Zionists" don't conspire, steal and lie, it's that in your telling, only "Zionists" ever conspire and steal and lie. Anyone non-"Zionist" who helps them is never in it for themselves or their own agenda, but is always presented as the dupe of "Zionists," the victim of their blackmail, or their robot. Your apologetics for non-"Zionists" have even encompassed the Bushes and a number of other non-"Zionist" villains who have contributed to the destruction of my country, the countries it has invaded, and much of the world.

Most of your defenders like Norton Ash on entering these threads then pretend the subject is exclusively Israel or US pro-Israeli policy, and keep looking past your claims that "Zionists" killed JFK and tricked the United States into all of its major wars in recent decades, including Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan, not to mention your lifting of much of your rhetoric straight from the "protocols" tradition. Otherwise, you and they pretend the frequent use of the "anti-Semitism" slur by Israel's defenders and the huge imbalance in its violence on Palestine provide justification for you to adopt and make up any accusations against "Zionists," no matter how outrageous. If you just posted your valid news items without these extras, I wouldn't care.

[American Dream]

JackRiddler wrote:

If you just posted your valid news items without these extras, I wouldn't care.

Seconded.

[17breezes]

You are a troll, Breezy. A stupid, evasive, dishonest, manipulative, self-pitying, ingratiating, timewasting, shitstirring, know-nothing troll.

If I were a troll, the mods would have done something about it. Since they haven't I'm a troll only in the minds of those like you who can't stand what I say because it astounds them that anyone would reject their narcissistic group think. Why you can do nothing but pile insult upon insult shows your impotence here. Poor you.

Grow up a little, please.

[norton ash]

Most of your defenders like Norton Ash on entering these threads then pretend the subject is exclusively Israel or US pro-Israeli policy, and keep looking past your claims that "Zionists" killed JFK and tricked the United States into all of its major wars in recent decades, including Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan, not to mention your lifting of much of your rhetoric straight from the "protocols" tradition.

But this is RI, and the Zionists and fascist Israel are inarguably one arm of a big, decades-old military-industrial Octopus that is not good for flowers or other living things, and to say that Alice's "defenders" are simply buying into ancient racist libels gets SO tiresome.

It's the game, not the players. I try to value everyone's contributions, but it gets so predictable. And speaking of games, maybe I can't resist "defending" because it seems like Alice gets piled on with such rapidity, regularity and vehemence, and this violates my sense of fair play.

Anyway, fuck Zionism, fuck Islamism, fuck fascism, and I think 17 breezes is some kind of shill. Otherwise, carry on.

[17breezes]

"You've said something bad about Israel. You are an anti-semite."

That's a bald faced lie. There have been many anti-Israel posts where I have not made comment one. That shit don't work anymore ash. I only comment on Israel when it's a post that is an antisemitic trope or a tinhat hate infested lie. However lying is your right so keep it up if you need to. Or you could consider the better way and not make up things you think are true.

[MacCruiskeen]

You are a troll, Breezy. A stupid, evasive, dishonest, manipulative, self-pitying, ingratiating, timewasting, shitstirring, know-nothing troll.

If I were a troll, the mods would have done something about it. Since they haven't I'm a troll only in the minds of those like you who can't stand what I say because it astounds them that anyone would reject their narcissistic group think. Why you can do nothing but pile insult upon insult shows your impotence here. Poor you.

Grow up a little, please.

Take one (1) large pineapple and stuff it up your arse sideways, you insufferable pea-brained sycophantic little shit. And I say that with all due respect.

[norton ash]

Okay, I pressed "one." Now I guess I've pressed "two."

(Listening to bossa nova muzak while I await another breezy recording.)

[MacCruiskeen]

Looks like this:



HTH.

[Nordic]

Let's see. There are just a few "usual suspects" here.

Jack Riddler, who I usually respect but who has a hair up his ass about Alice.

American Dream, who has some kind of an agenda, we've all seen it, and I've been on the receiving end of it as well, in the past, but we've made up now. He figured out I'm not some white supremicst and puts up with me.

And the obvious troll 17wheezes.

This how it works on every other discussion board in existence. Someone posts something legitimately critical of Israel, and a few, always just a FEW noisy assholes then pile on, dogpile style, and disrupt everything to the point where nobody talks about the subject matter any more and it turns into, instead, a fight about the poster himself or herself, and charges of racism and big nasty disruptive, and more importantly distracting, fights.

It's as predictable any other right-wing trolling habit, only it happens on supposedly "left wing" boards. Everywhere.

And we know that the state of Israel pays people to do exactly that. That is public knowledge.

I'm not saying anyone here is that, because obviously I have no way to prove it, and honestly the only one here who fits that description to a T is the aforementioned 17 farts.

I don't quite understand Jack's animosity towards Alice, but it's like a broken record at this point, Jack, I don't even read what you write to her now because my eyes glaze over. And American Dream I don't quite understand, he's got his thing and hey, whatever, people need to figure out how to deal with it. Neither Jack nor AD are trolls, that is clear.

Alice has a legitimate point of view, and while I don't agree with all of her conclusions I like to hear them and consider them. Her contributions to this discussion are unique in the blogosphere as far as I'm concerned and I've learned a hell of a lot from her. She's also an incredible writer and can fight more doggedly to defend herself than anyone I know.

But let's look at what's going on here -- again the majority is silent, and there are just a few people doing the usual dogpiling. And only a couple defending. That's how it works, that's WHY trolls like 17farts do what they do, so people will AVOID these discussions to AVOID learning the truth, and therefore never be exposed to the truth that Alice is trying to inform us of.

[Jeff]

Anyway, fuck Zionism, fuck Islamism, fuck fascism, and I think 17 breezes is some kind of shill. Otherwise, carry on.

Posting guidelines:

Suggesting a poster is purposefully spreading disinformation is not permitted. The charge or insinuation of "disinfo agent" can almost never be proven, and it poisons and often ends the discourse. If you have evidence that a poster is a disinfo agent, IM me with it.

Please don't call members shills. Thanks.

[barracuda]

Ladies and gentlemen, this thread is rapidly approaching the end of it's viability. Trading insults, however enjoyable it may be, does not constitute discourse.

Oh. Hi Jeff.

[17breezes]

You are a troll, Breezy. A stupid, evasive, dishonest, manipulative, self-pitying, ingratiating, timewasting, shitstirring, know-nothing troll.

If I were a troll, the mods would have done something about it. Since they haven't I'm a troll only in the minds of those like you who can't stand what I say because it astounds them that anyone would reject their narcissistic group think. Why you can do nothing but pile insult upon insult shows your impotence here. Poor you.

Grow up a little, please.

Take one (1) large pineapple and stuff it up your arse sideways, you insufferable pea-brained sycophantic little shit. And I say that with all due respect.

"Please refrain from directing obscenities towards other board members in the body of the post."

"you insufferable pea-brained sycophantic little shit

Jeff's rules don't apply to you either? Wow. Are you the leader of this revolutionary front?

[17breezes]

Ladies and gentlemen, this thread is rapidly approaching the end of it's viability. Trading insults, however enjoyable it may be, does not constitute discourse.

Oh. Hi Jeff.

You know I'm getting a little tired of being called a troll by a few of the usual suspects around here on a regular basis.

Since Jeff says "Beyond trolling and disruption, posts subject to deletion or locking will be," I feel that you admins need to either treat me and my posts as a troll or disavow the serial offenders from making up their own rules about what troll means.

I would really appreciate it as that is a major cause of disruption here. I certainly don't see myself as a troll but if the admin does then I would like some guidance as to where I am going wrong in voicing my opinions and reservations. I think a lot of disruption could be avoided by looking at this issue.