Merely Human? That’s So Yesterday

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Re: Merely Human? That’s So Yesterday

Postby tazmic » Tue Aug 24, 2010 6:20 pm

The conciousness upload thing is a distraction. (And even if it were possible, what AI designed AI super intelligence is going to bother itself with chatting to Kurzweil?)

I think this belongs here:
Alan Watts:

"All information will come in by superrealistic television and other electronic devices as yet in the planning stage or barely imagined. In one way this will enable the individual to extend himself anywhere without moving his body—even to distant regions of space. But this will be a new kind of individual—an individual with a colossal external nervous system reaching out and out into infinity. And this electronic nervous system will be so interconnected that all individuals plugged in will tend to share the same thoughts, the same feelings, and the same experiences. There may be specialized types, just as there are specialized cells and organs in our bodies. For the tendency will be for all individuals to coalesce into a single bioelectronic body."

"As resources dwindle, population must dwindle in proportion. If, by this time, the race feels itself to be a single mind-body, this superindividual will see itself getting smaller and smaller until the last mouth eats the last morsel. Yet it may also be that, long before that, people will be highly durable plastic replicas of people with no further need to eat. But won't this be the same thing as the death of the race, with nothing but empty plastic echoes of ourselves reverberating on through time? [...] In short, is the next step in evolution to be the transformation of man into nothing more than electronic patterns?"

"If the human race develops an electronic nervous system, outside the bodies of individual people, thus giving us all one mind and one global body, this is almost precisely what has happened in the organization of cells which compose our own bodies. We have already done it. [...] If all this ends with the human race leaving no more trace of itself in the universe than a system of electronic patterns, why should that trouble us? For that is exactly what we are now!"

He wrote this in 1966, with only the TV and radio for inspiration; before the home computer, before the internet became more than a secret military tool... Why did he feel compelled to convince us that his strange vision was benign, and where I wonder, would his remarkable prescience take him today?

The Pythagorean agenda anyone?



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Re: Merely Human? That’s So Yesterday

Postby tazmic » Thu Aug 26, 2010 10:57 am

Computers that Read Minds Are Being Developed by Intel

http://cryptogon.com/?p=17262

Telegraph today:
"New technology could allow people to dictate letters and search the internet simply by thinking, according to researchers at Intel who are behind the project. Unlike current brain-controlled computers, which require users to imagine making physical movements to control a cursor on a screen, the new technology will be capable of directly interpreting words as they are thought."

(with a link to Operation Mind Control by Walter Bowart, published in 1978)
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Re: Merely Human? That’s So Yesterday

Postby Jeff » Thu Aug 26, 2010 12:05 pm



"On Nov 27, 2006, Ray Kurzweil gave a presentation at the 25th Annual Army Science Conference. It's geared towards the military, but overall it's just Kurzweil's basic presentation on technology trends, the acceleration of progress, and what that will mean for the future of humanity."

Kurzweil wrote:I am one of five members of the Army Science Advisory Group (ASAG), which advises the US Army on priorities for its science research. Although our briefings, deliberations, and recommendations are confidential, I can share some overall technological directions that are being pursued by the army and all of the US armed forces.

Dr John A Parmentola, director for research and laboratory management for the US Army and liason to the ASAG...describes the Future Combat System (FCS), now under development and scheduled to roll out during the second decade of this century, as "smaller, lighter, faster, more lethal, and smarter."

Dramatic changes are planned for future war-fighting deployments and technology. Although details are likely to change, the army envisions deploying Brigade Combat Teams (BCTs) of about 2,500 soldiers, unmanned robotic systems, and FCS equipment. A single BCT would represent about 3,500 "platforms," each with its own intelligent computational capabilities The BCT would have a common operating picture (COP) of the battlefield, which would be appropriately translated for it, with each soldier receiving information through a variety of means, including retinal (and other forms of "heads up") displays and, in the future, direct neural connection.

...

The US Joint Forces Command's Project Alpha (responsible for accelerating transformative ideas throughout the armed services) envisions a 2025 fighting force that "is largely robotic," incorporating tactical autonomous combatants (TACs) that "have some level of autonomy.... One innovative design being developed by NASA with military applications envisioned is in the form of a snake."

One of the programs contributing to the 2020 concept of self-organizing swarms of small robots is the Autonomous Intelligent Network and Systems (AINS) program of the Office of Naval Research, which envisions a drone army of unmanned, autonomous robots in the water, on the ground, and in the air. The swarms will have human commanders with decentralized command and control and what project head Allen Moshfegh calls an "impregnable Internet in the sky."


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Re: Merely Human? That’s So Yesterday

Postby Simulist » Thu Aug 26, 2010 12:21 pm

tazmic wrote:Computers that Read Minds Are Being Developed by Intel

http://cryptogon.com/?p=17262

Telegraph today:
"New technology could allow people to dictate letters and search the internet simply by thinking, according to researchers at Intel who are behind the project. Unlike current brain-controlled computers, which require users to imagine making physical movements to control a cursor on a screen, the new technology will be capable of directly interpreting words as they are thought."

(with a link to Operation Mind Control by Walter Bowart, published in 1978)

I don't know about most people, but I don't think in "words" all that much — unless for example I'm writing something or talking to someone.

Usually, most of my thinking involves pictures and concepts, and usually turns into "words" only when I try to express it to someone else.

Back in college, I had quite a discussion with my communications professor, who insisted to our class that humans cannot think without words. This seemed not only false to me, but also patently ridiculous. If a bus is coming at you — preparing to mash you like a bug — you don't think the words, "Hey! Maybe I better move..." (Or similar such "words.") You just conjure the right concept in your brain, and you follow that concept out of the way of the damned bus! But that's a form of instinctual thinking, I suppose. Still, even with "higher," more conceptual thinking, if I had to put the pictures and symbols into words first, I'd often never get passed the first proposition in even a basic argument.

So technology like this might be useful in some ways (and scary in others), but it's usefulness (and scariness) is limited, unless it can also capture complex concepts as they are envisioned in thought.

Or so it seems to me.
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Re: Merely Human? That’s So Yesterday

Postby tazmic » Thu Aug 26, 2010 12:34 pm

Simulist wrote:So technology like this might be useful in some ways (and scary in others), but it's usefulness (and scariness) is limited, unless it can also capture complex concepts as they are envisioned in thought.

And do you think this (correct) observation has any bearing on whether or not we will all end up happily using it eventually?
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Re: Merely Human? That’s So Yesterday

Postby barracuda » Thu Aug 26, 2010 1:00 pm

"On Nov 27, 2006, Ray Kurzweil gave a presentation at the 25th Annual Army Science Conference. It's geared towards the military, but overall it's just Kurzweil's basic presentation on technology trends, the acceleration of progress, and what that will mean for the future of humanity."


Yet another solid indication that the transhumanist agenda will come in an implicitly elitist color, mostly olive drab.

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Re: Merely Human? That’s So Yesterday

Postby Simulist » Thu Aug 26, 2010 1:20 pm

tazmic wrote:
Simulist wrote:So technology like this might be useful in some ways (and scary in others), but it's usefulness (and scariness) is limited, unless it can also capture complex concepts as they are envisioned in thought.

And do you think this (correct) observation has any bearing on whether or not we will all end up happily using it eventually?

That's a good question.

• If technical knowledge continues to "progress" at its current rate, and
• If the basic wisdom of humanity continues to decline at its current rate,
• Then I consider it likely that the scientific establishment will soon be able to interpret wordless thought for a variety of purposes, both beneficial and abusive.

Where the opportunity for abuse to exist in this world, it usually also flourishes.
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Re: Merely Human? That’s So Yesterday

Postby tazmic » Thu Aug 26, 2010 1:26 pm

barracuda wrote:Yet another solid indication that the transhumanist agenda will come in an implicitly elitist color

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Re: Merely Human? That’s So Yesterday

Postby Jeff » Tue Sep 28, 2010 10:32 am

Revenge of the nerds: Should we listen to futurists or are they leading us towards ‘nerdocalypse’?

By Mike Hodgkinson

Sunday, 12 September 2010

...

Michael Vassar, summit host and president of the Singularity Institute for Artificial Intelligence (SIAI), reduces the future to two competing scenarios: "Either you and everyone you love are going to be killed by robots; or you are going to live forever." Some very clever people, he says with a hint of mischief and a disconcerting flash of clear-eyed sincerity, can make a strong case for each of those arguments, so it's in our best interests to pay attention.

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The singularity is a metaphorical term used to express the transformative moment when technology has moved so rapidly that the human race can never be the same again. This could be a good thing, according to Kurzweil, if we avoid the dangers of genetics, nanotechnology and robotics, then succeed in harnessing artificial intelligence to conquer mortality and accept the next, transhuman phase of our evolution. Or it could all go badly wrong, resulting in what some have dubbed the "nerdocalypse". In Kurzweil's estimation we should know, either way, by 2045.

It's that sense of imminence and immediacy that has made the singularity such a passionately contested proposition, and attracted interest – and investment – from extremely wealthy and intelligent individuals, as well as Google and Nasa, which have each put money into the Singularity University (co-founded by Kurzweil) near San Jose.

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"There's a dichotomy," says Goertzel, "between people such as Ray Kurzweil, who see the kinder, gentler singularity, which makes the future much like it is today but without disease and without scarcity, and everyone's frolicking in the fields. And Vernor Vinge, [who says] once we've got a 'being' 10 times as smart as us, all bets are off. I'm a bit more inclined towards Vinge's views than Ray's. I'm hoping for the best, and will work toward a positive outcome. I feel like Ray and some others downplay the irreducible uncertainty of creating things massively more capable than us."

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Re: Merely Human? That’s So Yesterday

Postby Jeff » Sat Feb 12, 2011 6:26 pm

2045: The Year Man Becomes Immortal

By Lev Grossman Thursday, Feb. 10, 2011

On Feb. 15, 1965, a diffident but self-possessed high school student named Raymond Kurzweil appeared as a guest on a game show called I've Got a Secret. He was introduced by the host, Steve Allen, then he played a short musical composition on a piano. The idea was that Kurzweil was hiding an unusual fact and the panelists — they included a comedian and a former Miss America — had to guess what it was.

On the show (see the clip on YouTube), the beauty queen did a good job of grilling Kurzweil, but the comedian got the win: the music was composed by a computer. Kurzweil got $200. (See TIME's photo-essay "Cyberdyne's Real Robot.")

Kurzweil then demonstrated the computer, which he built himself — a desk-size affair with loudly clacking relays, hooked up to a typewriter. The panelists were pretty blasé about it; they were more impressed by Kurzweil's age than by anything he'd actually done. They were ready to move on to Mrs. Chester Loney of Rough and Ready, Calif., whose secret was that she'd been President Lyndon Johnson's first-grade teacher.

But Kurzweil would spend much of the rest of his career working out what his demonstration meant. Creating a work of art is one of those activities we reserve for humans and humans only. It's an act of self-expression; you're not supposed to be able to do it if you don't have a self. To see creativity, the exclusive domain of humans, usurped by a computer built by a 17-year-old is to watch a line blur that cannot be unblurred, the line between organic intelligence and artificial intelligence.

That was Kurzweil's real secret, and back in 1965 nobody guessed it. Maybe not even him, not yet. But now, 46 years later, Kurzweil believes that we're approaching a moment when computers will become intelligent, and not just intelligent but more intelligent than humans. When that happens, humanity — our bodies, our minds, our civilization — will be completely and irreversibly transformed. He believes that this moment is not only inevitable but imminent. According to his calculations, the end of human civilization as we know it is about 35 years away.

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http://www.time.com/time/health/article ... 38,00.html
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Re: Merely Human? That’s So Yesterday

Postby Jeff » Mon Feb 06, 2012 3:04 pm

Hitler would have loved The Singularity: Mind-blowing benefits of merging human brains and computers

By Ian Morris, Professor Of Classics And History At Stanford University
Last updated at 11:24 AM on 6th February 2012


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Ten years ago, the US National Science Foundation predicted ‘network-enhanced telepathy’ – sending thoughts over the internet – would be practical by the 2020s.

And thanks to neuroscientists at the University of California, we seem to be on schedule.

Last September, they asked volunteers to watch Hollywood film trailers and then reconstructed the clips by scanning their subjects’ brain activity.

‘We’re opening a window into the movies in our minds,’ Professor Jack Gallant announced.

Last week, the scientists boldly went further still. They charted the electrical activity in the brains of volunteers who were listening to human speech and then they fed the results into computers which translated the signals back into language.

The technique remains crude, and has so far made out only five distinct words, but humanity has crossed a threshold.

...

Much of the research behind last week’s breakthrough in brain science was funded not by universities but by DARPA, the US Defence Advanced Research Projects Agency.

It was DARPA that brought us the internet (then called the Arpanet) in the Seventies, and DARPA’s Brain Interface Project was a pioneer in molecular computing.

More recently, DARPA’s Silent Talk programme has been exploring mind-reading technology with devices that can pick up the electrical signals inside soldiers’ brains and send them over the internet.

With these implants, entire armies will be able to talk without radios. Orders will leap instantly into soldiers’ heads and commanders’ wishes will become the wishes of their men. Hitler would have loved it.

Some of the clearest thinking about the new technologies has been done in the world’s departments of defence, and the conclusions the soldiers draw are alarming.

For example, US Army Colonel Thomas Adams thinks that military technology is already moving beyond what he calls ‘human space’, as robotic weapons become ‘too fast, too small, too numerous, and . . . create an environment too complex for humans to direct’.

Technology, Col Adams suspects, is ‘rapidly taking us to a place where we may not want to go, but probably are unable to avoid’.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... uters.html


Technology, Col Adams suspects, is ‘rapidly taking us to a place where we may not want to go, but probably are unable to avoid’.

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Re: Merely Human? That’s So Yesterday

Postby Plutonia » Mon Feb 06, 2012 4:59 pm

Weird that Sheldrake gets pilloried for suggesting a scientific paradigm for telepathy between humans, yet the military's' development of telepathic machines gets a pass.

It's a kind of insanity.

We must have internalized some conceptions of machines as magical entities?
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Re: Merely Human? That’s So Yesterday

Postby Simulist » Mon Feb 06, 2012 5:24 pm

Plutonia wrote:Weird that Sheldrake gets pilloried for suggesting a scientific paradigm for telepathy between humans, yet the military's' development of telepathic machines gets a pass.

Good point. But it's really not that weird: the MIC appears to think (and has appeared to think this for decades, if not longer...) that there's something really there where telepathy is concerned, and wants to pillory all potential sources of competition.
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Re: Merely Human? That’s So Yesterday

Postby Luther Blissett » Wed Jul 18, 2012 2:05 pm

Steve Mann, Inventor, Allegedly Attacked At Paris McDonald's For Wearing Digital Eye Glass

Steve Mann, a professor at the University of Toronto and a pioneer in wearable computing, alleges that he was attacked at a Paris McDonald's for wearing his EyeTap Digital Eye Glass, a product evocative of Google's Project Glass. And because his augmented reality spectacles record images, Mann even has pictures of the alleged incident.

In a detailed blog post published on Monday, Mann, whom the Guardian says is "known as the father of wearable computing," described being allegedly assaulted while he and his family ate dinner at a location on the famous Avenue des Champs-Élysées.

According to Mann, a person who identified himself as restaurant employee stopped to ask about his device while the professor was waiting in line to order. Mann, who presumably gets asked about his wearable computer frequently, was carrying a letter from his doctor and presented it to the man.

While he was eating, however, Mann says he was attacked by another person, whom he identifies in his blog post as "Perpetrator 1."

From Eyetap.blogspot.com:

He angrily grabbed my eyeglass, and tried to pull it off my head. The eyeglass is permanently attached and does not come off my skull without special tools.
I tried to calm him down and I showed him the letter from my doctor and the documentation I had brought with me.


Mann said that he was then brought over to three men, all of whom reviewed the documents that he had given to "Perpetrator 1," before one of the men "angrily crumpled and ripped up the letter from [his] doctor." Mann said he was then pushed outside.

In addition to contacting the embassy and authorities, the professor writes that he's attempted to reach out to McDonald's by phone and via email, but hasn't gotten very far. Now he's turning to the Internet for help, and so far, his efforts seem to be paying off.

More than a dozen media outlets, including AFP, TechCrunch and The Verge have picked up his story, and a Reddit user even posted his blog. McDonald's, which Mann said had remained mum before, is now using its Twitter account to respond to outraged Twitter users posting about the story.

"We take the claims and feedback of our customers very seriously," McDonald's said in a statement emailed to The Huffington Post. "We are in the process of gathering information about this situation and we ask for patience until all of the facts are known."

Mann said that he's not looking for monetary compensation for the alleged incident.

"I just want my Glass fixed, and it would also be nice if McDonald's would see fit to support vision research," he wrote on his blog.

But this isn't the first time one of Mann's devices has given him trouble.

A 2002 article in The New York Times details a three-day episode the MIT Media Lab graduate endured going through airport security in Canada. Mann said at the time that he was not only injured and stripped searched, but that his wearable computer received nearly $60,000 worth of damage.
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Re: Merely Human? That’s So Yesterday

Postby brekin » Wed Jul 18, 2012 3:00 pm

This looks like a rather slow movie of the
"watching a video game play out" variety but in
the trailer it references the singularity and Kurtzweil.

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