'War Whores,' Spielberg's latest film, opens legs wide....

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Re: 'War Whores,' Spielberg's latest film, opens legs wide..

Postby Nordic » Tue Dec 27, 2011 3:09 am

barracuda wrote:Nordic, your post really didn't raise the level of the conversation, so I removed it. Please don't do that.

Let's focus on the ideas or their lack, not the spite.



Hugh gets to insult the intelligence of every user of this board, and insult the collective intelligence of this board, yet his provocations and blatant verbal abuse remains intact, and when someone finally states an accurate and succinct definition of the guy, the post is removed?

I'll never understand that.

Whatever.

The guy didn't even see the movie that his thread was about!

And wouldn't you agree that this particular accusation: "Spielberg has always been a mil-intel psyoperator, rising to prominence in CIA-Hoilywood" is something so blatantly slanderous that perhaps a LITTLE bit of evidence to back that up might be something that the mods would demand?
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Re: 'War Whores,' Spielberg's latest film, opens legs wide..

Postby Nordic » Tue Dec 27, 2011 3:13 am

Here is some obvious evidence of Hugh's infiltration into Hollywood. This from the set of a TV show that will be airing soon .....

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Hugh is obviously a mil-intel psyoperator, rising to prominence in CIA-RI. It's as obvious as the dick in my pants.
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Re: 'War Whores,' Spielberg's latest film, opens legs wide..

Postby barracuda » Tue Dec 27, 2011 3:22 am

Nordic wrote:...evidence...?


There's no evidence regarding specifics, dude. None will be forthcoming, ever. It's Hugh Manatee Wins, Nordic. You either accept what he's selling to one degree or another, or you don't. Calling him an asshole and getting all poopy about it is just fuel on the fire.

Sorry to hear about your dick, anyway.
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Re: 'War Whores,' Spielberg's latest film, opens legs wide..

Postby wintler2 » Tue Dec 27, 2011 3:43 am

Nordic wrote:Hugh gets to insult the intelligence of every user of this board, and insult the collective intelligence of this board, yet his provocations and blatant verbal abuse remains intact, and when someone finally states an accurate and succinct definition of the guy, the post is removed?

I'll never understand that. ..


As usual, your incomprehension is rooted in your assumptions.
a. there is no utility in the myth of our collective intelligence
b. even if there was, you are not its annoited spokesperson
c. none of HMWs threads insult anyones intelligence as much as the uncontextualised propaganda posted by some
d. there is an ignore/hide posts function on this board, should your eyes be incapable of simply skipping HMWs posts on the page.
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Re: 'War Whores,' Spielberg's latest film, opens legs wide..

Postby Occult Means Hidden » Tue Dec 27, 2011 5:19 am

In all fairness to HMW, this is his thread and not someone else's rudely highjacked. He shouldn't be insulted for that.

To Hugh: you claim the movie supports war but everyone else claims the plot itself does otherwise. Do you not understand the disconnect?
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Re: 'War Whores,' Spielberg's latest film, opens legs wide..

Postby Searcher08 » Tue Dec 27, 2011 8:38 am

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:
Searcher08 wrote:.....
Saying this author wrote 'Warhorse' to glorify war reveals a talent for story reversal that the CIA would blush at, not to mention appallingly bad taste.

Only I didn't say that.

People. STOP the straw man making-stuff-up-to-huff-against routine.

This thread is about TODAY's Spielberg movie IN CONTEXT. Try and focus?


"Making stuff up to huff"?? "StrawMan"?? huff routine??
I think not.

Let's recap about context:

The context for TODAY'S Speilberg movie is that it is from

AN ANTI-WAR CHILDREN'S BOOK written by a
BRITISH AUTHOR IN DEVON IN 1982
ABOUT THE SHITE CALLED WORLD WAR ONE
WHERE ABOUT ONE MILLION MEN (AND ONE MILLION HORSES ) DIED
AND ABOUT BOND BETWEEN HUMANS AND HORSES

Hugh, have you ever made a connection with an equine?
If you have, surely you can see that is a noble subject for a book?
Have you ever stood on the Somme? Every year more bones rise to the surface.
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It is not a 'huff' to stand up and say that when you call this story prowar psyops, that
it actually moves attention away from World War One, which is THE AUTHOR'S CONTEXT for this book, into YOUR CONTEXT, which is one of post WW2 mil- intel.

DULCE ET DECORUM EST
Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of tired, outstripped Five-Nines that dropped behind.
Gas! Gas! Quick, boys! – An ecstasy of fumbling,
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time;
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling,
And flound'ring like a man in fire or lime. . .
Dim, through the misty panes and thick green light,
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.
In all my dreams, before my helpless sight,
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.
If in some smothering dreams you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie; Dulce et Decorum est
Pro patria mori.

Wilfred Owen
8 October 1917 - March, 1918

WarHorse is cut from the same cloth as Wilfred Owen - and for you to say that it is a
PROwar piece of psyops is , in my brain at least, thinking that is truly from Bizarro World , where up is down and anti-war is pro-war.

Describing this as a 'huff' when my family has blood and bones in those fields?

Nah.
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Re: 'War Whores,' Spielberg's latest film, opens legs wide..

Postby Laodicean » Tue Dec 27, 2011 1:15 pm



Thanks to Stim's review, I can't wait to see it.
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Re: 'War Whores,' Spielberg's latest film, opens legs wide..

Postby brainpanhandler » Tue Dec 27, 2011 1:42 pm

Searcher08 wrote:
Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:
Searcher08 wrote:.....
Saying this author wrote 'Warhorse' to glorify war reveals a talent for story reversal that the CIA would blush at, not to mention appallingly bad taste.

Only I didn't say that.

People. STOP the straw man making-stuff-up-to-huff-against routine.

This thread is about TODAY's Spielberg movie IN CONTEXT. Try and focus?


"Making stuff up to huff"?? "StrawMan"?? huff routine??
I think not.



Yah, but he really didn't say that. He didn't. No. He really didn't.

I've not read the book or seen the movie so I can't compare how they are alike or different, but it would not surprise me that Spielberg takes some license with the story. Even if the book is the most eloquent antiwar story ever written that does not mean that the story could not be coopted and subtly and not so subtly altered for some other social engineering agenda, theoretically.

I don't trust Spielberg. I don't like Spielberg. I don't care for his films (except the guilty pleasure of Empire of the Sun) And it would not surprise me one bit to discover someday that he was in bed with the alpha agency social engineers.

I'm not sure why but most of the horse lovers I've ever known were women.
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Re: 'War Whores,' Spielberg's latest film, opens legs wide..

Postby DrVolin » Tue Dec 27, 2011 2:27 pm

brainpanhandler wrote:
I'm not sure why but most of the horse lovers I've ever known were women.


Because raising horses is about harnessing the brute power of a large animal with a mind of its own. Yes to the rest of your post.
all these dreams are swept aside
By bloody hands of the hypnotized
Who carry the cross of homicide
And history bears the scars of our civil wars

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Re: 'War Whores,' Spielberg's latest film, opens legs wide..

Postby Searcher08 » Tue Dec 27, 2011 3:29 pm

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:
Simulist wrote:
Simulist wrote:I the warhorse in War Horse, Joey, is a catalyst not only for peace, but for reconciliation also..

Oh, and is there "peace and reconciliation?"
Or a few weeks breather before the next phase of the permanent economic war system and post-9/11 permanent oil occupation?
DUH!
Sorry, that was unkind. But dammit, get real. Sentimental slop is dished out to keep the system going.
In War Horse, war was shown as pointless slaughter and a total waste of lives.

WRONG. World War One may be shown as blah blah....but it wasn't the "War to End all Wars," was it?

War is not ending, is it? Get it? Just a breather as momentary relief and to hide that Hollywood IS the Pentagon and CIA.


So my understanding...
is that you are saying War Horse is a prowar recruiting film that disguises it's pro war recruitment of young men message under the rubric of being a deeply anti-war film about some blah blah war and the anti-war message of the film itself is largely ignorable, but the effect of the movie posters, DVD cover and TV advertising is designed to have it act a a subliminal recruiting film?
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Re: 'War Whores,' Spielberg's latest film, opens legs wide..

Postby Elihu » Tue Dec 27, 2011 3:56 pm

of course it's war propaganda. why else would they put it out? so we could fall in love with the horse all over again? can't we find another venue for that? nice combo. i appreciated the reviews by the way, look forward to seeing it...
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Re: 'War Whores,' Spielberg's latest film, opens legs wide..

Postby DrVolin » Tue Dec 27, 2011 4:12 pm

Searcher08 wrote: is that you are saying War Horse is a prowar recruiting film that disguises it's pro war recruitment of young men message under the rubric of being a deeply anti-war film about some blah blah war and the anti-war message of the film itself is largely ignorable, but the effect of the movie posters, DVD cover and TV advertising is designed to have it act a a subliminal recruiting film?


Not an entirely discreditable scenario, when you put it like that.
all these dreams are swept aside
By bloody hands of the hypnotized
Who carry the cross of homicide
And history bears the scars of our civil wars

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Re: 'War Whores,' Spielberg's latest film, opens legs wide..

Postby Nordic » Tue Dec 27, 2011 4:26 pm

By HMW's definition, "All Quiet on the Western Front" would be pro-war propaganda, too.

That is, if anyone made a movie about it. Why? Because all movies are made by the pentagon/CIA. All of them.

Gallipoli? War propaganda. It was a movie, wasn't it? How can you be so blind!?

Paths of Glory? War propaganda. Hollywood made it, therefore its war propaganda.

The other day a woman at a bus stop asked me to fetch the nurse for her. To her mind, she was in a hospital, and I was an orderly. There was no convincing her otherwise. She was completely out of her mind.
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Re: 'War Whores,' Spielberg's latest film, opens legs wide..

Postby jingofever » Tue Dec 27, 2011 4:35 pm

I tend to agree with Hugh Manatee Wins on this one and suggest that the Abwehr pulled a similar trick with All Quiet on the Western Front by the closet Nazi Erich Maria Remarque. There are some anti-war messages thrown in to disguise the intent but it contains the same war, battle, friendship trifecta that I notice in so many other war movies and novels.

Edit: I see Nordic just made the same point.
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Re: 'War Whores,' Spielberg's latest film, opens legs wide..

Postby slomo » Tue Dec 27, 2011 4:57 pm

brainpanhandler wrote:I've not read the book or seen the movie so I can't compare how they are alike or different, but it would not surprise me that Spielberg takes some license with the story. Even if the book is the most eloquent antiwar story ever written that does not mean that the story could not be coopted and subtly and not so subtly altered for some other social engineering agenda, theoretically.

That's a legitimate hypothesis, as are some of Hugh's more general hypotheses (even the seemingly crazy ones). My problem with Hugh is that he never moves beyond the hypothesis-generation stage to provide evidence. When asked for evidence, he either provides data that could support many other explanations, even ones that contradict his "theories", or else he makes more unsupported claims that circle around in one big tautology. And then he insults you when you try to pin him down. That is nothing like science, it's a form of demagoguery.
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