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Re: With a Bang

Postby justdrew » Sun Jan 13, 2013 10:20 pm

undead wrote:So I was reading about Aaron Swartz, the commendable hacker character who committed suicide / was suicided yesterday, and I discovered reddit for the first time. Also, I discovered the source of these fatuous, stupefying captioned images that occasionally get emailed to me and learned that I could create one myself. Considering that this has apparently become the preferred means of communication of the human species, I thought I would make one to share for this thread specifically. Feel free to pass it along to acquaintances, friends, and family who can only be reached by this medium. I tagged this with the "cute" category in hopes of reaching more people.

EDIT: Okay I can't save the image for some reason, presumably because they want to trap you in their web of brain-liquifying idiocy so you can click and go look at it here.



:rofl2 good one...

slightly more internety text:
keeps occupying self with trivial bullshit on internet
while world saturates with cancerous pollution
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Re: With a Bang

Postby bardobailey » Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:12 am

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/0 ... 37315.html

quote from linked to article:
Of 50,000 wells drilled over the past six decades in the Gulf, 23,500 have been permanently abandoned. Another 3,500 are classified by federal regulators as "temporarily abandoned," but some have been left that way since the 1950s, without the full safeguards of permanent abandonment.

Petroleum engineers say that even in properly sealed wells, the cement plugs can fail over the decades and the metal casing that lines the wells can rust. Even depleted production wells can repressurize over time and spill oil if their sealings fail.

-- So not only do we have to worry about all the nuclear plants in the world blowing up if left without electricity or otherwise untended, but all the underwater oil wells will sooner or later unseal themselves and leach out into the oceans.
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Re: With a Bang

Postby NeonLX » Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:45 am

bardobailey wrote:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/07/gulf-abandoned-oil-wells-gas_n_637315.html
-- So not only do we have to worry about all the nuclear plants in the world blowing up if left without electricity or otherwise untended, but all the underwater oil wells will sooner or later unseal themselves and leach out into the oceans.


I'm pretty much convinced that there ain't gonna be a "later". :(
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Re: With a Bang

Postby justdrew » Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:30 pm

apparently in fracking they only pull out a bit of the methane, other bits of the released methane seep up and leak into the air from the surrounding ground.
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Re: With a Bang

Postby bardobailey » Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:46 pm

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2010/08/1 ... H120100812

Environmental group Wetlands International estimated 80 to 90 percent of the smog in Moscow was from peatland fires near the capital, rather than forest fires linked to what weather officials call Russia's hottest summer in a millennium.

But natural peat marshes emit methane, another powerful greenhouse gas, so protecting peat does not eliminate emissions. Joosten estimated an intact hectare of wet peat emits the equivalent of 10-15 tonnes of carbon dioxide annually.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/ja ... rainforest

from above link:
"People think it is dishonest and the oil company is treating them like dogs. It does not respect the land or the planet. There is no deal, nothing is agreed. The people do not want the oil company. They're very upset and worried," Gualinga said. "We have decided to fight to the end. Each landholder will defend their territory. We will help each other and stand shoulder to shoulder to prevent anyone from passing."

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2013/01/14-0

from article linked above:

And as the collapse becomes palpable, if human history is any guide, we like past societies in distress will retreat into what anthropologists call “crisis cults.” The powerlessness we will feel in the face of ecological and economic chaos will unleash further collective delusions, such as fundamentalist belief in a god or gods who will come back to earth and save us.

- or failing that, a self-deceiving deeper meaning manufactured to avoid the simple truth of nature's disinterest in our narrative as the if/then chain continues it's path.
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Re: With a Bang

Postby justdrew » Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:42 pm

Study: Climate change inaction blame lies largely with environmental groups
By Suzanne Goldenberg, The Guardian | Monday, January 14, 2013 16:12 EST

A Harvard academic has put the blame squarely for America’s failure to act on climate change on environmental groups. She also argues that there is little prospect Barack Obama will put climate change on the top of his agenda in his second term.

In a research paper, due to be presented at a Harvard forum next month, scholar Theda Skocpol in effect accuses the DC-based environmental groups of political malpractice, saying they were blind to extreme Republican opposition to their efforts.

Environmental groups overlooked growing opposition to environmental protections among conservatives voters and, underestimated the rising force of the Tea Party, believing – wrongly, as it turned out – they could still somehow win over Republican members of Congress through “insider grand bargaining”.

That fatal misreading of the political realities – namely, the extreme polarisation of Congress and the Tea Party’s growing influence among elected officials – doomed the effort to get a climate law through Congress. It will also make it more difficult to achieve climate action in the future, she added.

Skocpol, meanwhile, lets Obama off the hook for the political inaction on climate change, overturning the conventional wisdom among environmental leaders that political cowardice by the White House ultimately doomed climate legislation.

Her paper is likely to cause a stir among environmental groups hoping to see action on climate change during Obama’s second term. Skocpol, in her analysis, does not offer much cause for optimism.

“Whatever environmentalists may hope, the Obama White House and congressional Democrats are unlikely to make global warming a top issue in 2013 or 2014,” she writes.

The extreme weather events of the 2012, from superstorm Sandy to an historic drought, are unlikely to shift their priorities, she said.

“The stark truth is that severe weather events alone will not cause global warming to pop to the top of the national agenda,” Skocpol went on. “Fresh strategies will be needed, based on new understandings of political obstacles and opportunities. ”

Skocpol, a political scientist, compares the failed push for a climate law unfavourably to the ultimately successful effort to pass healthcare reform.

She interviewed key players in the push for climate legislation in 2009 and 2010, as well as activists from the Tea Party groups who helped sink those efforts.

The biggest mistake of the environmental groups, Skocpol said, was their failure to appreciate the extreme polarisation of Congress since the mid-90s, or fully appreciate that Republicans in Congress were softening in their support for environmental issues from 2007 – even before the emergence of the Tea Party.

That political blindness was far more damaging to the effort to pass a climate law than the economic downturn, the language used to frame the climate change debate, or even the lack of full-throated leadership from Obama, she argues. A deal that may have been possible in the 90s was going to be a non-starter amid the political conditions in 2008, she said.

Nevertheless, the US Climate Action Partnership, which Skocpol describes as a coalition of “CEOs and Big Enviro honchos”, continued to believe it could wrangle exactly such a deal out of Congress.

That strategy overlooked how the political reality outside clubby Washington had turned against their cause. Skocpol attributes much of that shift to the well-funded effort by conservative thinktanks to undermine climate science. The 90s and onwards saw a sharp increase in the publication of reports and books questioning climate change, which eventually got picked up by mainstream media outlets.

The USCAP never understood the shift in conservative popular opinion, she writes. They also failed to build the broad grassroots organisations needed to push for change.

“The USCAP campaign was designed and conducted in an insider-grand-bargaining political style that, unbeknownst to its sponsors, was unlikely to succeed given fast-changing realities in US partisan politics and governing institutions,” Skocpol writes. And she warns the failed attempt “did much to provoke and mobilise fierce enemies and enhance their populist capacities and political clout for future battles”.

A number of prominent Republicans who had support climate legislation had already turned away by 2007 – not least John McCain, who was Obama’s opponent in 2008. McCain’s choice of Sarah Palin as his vice-president, who is famous for her “drill, baby, drill” comments, should have alerted environmental groups to changing politics around the environment, Skocpol writes.

The writing was on the wall even more starkly after 2010, when a number of Republicans who had previously compromised on environmental issues were defeated by more conservative primary challengers, and by the stunning wins for Tea Party-supported candidates in the congressional elections.

Skocpol’s recommendations for environmental groups are stark. “Climate change warriors will have to look beyond elite manoeuvres and find ways to address the values and interests of tens and millions of US citizens,” she writes.

“Reformers will have to build organizational networks across the country, and they will need to orchestrate sustained political efforts that stretch far beyond friendly congressional offices, comfy board rooms, and posh retreats.”

She concludes: “The only way to counter such right wing elite and popular forces is to build a broad popular movement to tackle climate change.”

Climate activist Bill McKibben said Skocpol’s analysis mirrored his experiences in building the grassroots organisation 350.org.

“Basically, we need a movement, and we need something a movement can get behind,” he said in an email. “Something people as compared to corporations might care about.”

McKibben wrote a more detailed response.


what? sorry, I thought we'd been building a broad popular movement to tackle climate change for the last 40 years.

fuck it. useless clowns everywhere. The sooner this shithole burns the better.
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Re: With a Bang

Postby bardobailey » Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:30 pm

http://www.i-sis.org.uk/bewareTheBiocharInitiative.php

excerpt from link above:

Biochar increases loss of organic carbon from humus

A ten-year trial in Swedish forests showed that buried charcoal appear to promote the breakdown of humus, the decomposing plant matter on the forest floor [28], thus completely offsetting the carbon sequestered in the charcoal.

David Wardle and colleagues at Umeå University started their experiment to investigate the effect of forest fires on soil ecology. They buried hundreds of litter bags containing humus, charcoal, or a 50–50 mixture of the two in several sites in the Swedish boreal forest.

Periodically, they weighed the bags and measured the concentration of carbon and nitrogen. After just one year, they began to see an unexpectedly large decrease in mass from the bags containing the humus–charcoal mixture: 17 percent (the expected was 9 percent), compared to 18 percent in the bags with only humus and 2.5 percent in the bags with only charcoal Over ten years, the bags with mixed humus and charcoal released just as much carbon as did those containing only humus (130 mg per g initial mass), instead of only half as much as would be expected if charcoal had no effect on the loss of carbon from humus. The bags with charcoal had lost a small amount of its carbon (less than 5 mg per g initial mass) but gained about the same in nitrogen and microbial activity. The mixture did not gain or lose any nitrogen while humus released 2 mg N per g initial mass.

The results show that burying charcoal can speed up the decomposition of forest humus during the first decade, thus offsetting nearly all of the carbon sequestered in the charcoal itself.

- It almost seems like a conspiracy. One solution or mediating procedure after another bites the dust on further study. Maybe the whispers of "Let it all burn" some of us are hearing aren't hallucinations. I wonder if Cthulthu and his minions can thrive in roiling acidic oceans?


meanwhile in Beijing:

http://www.lefigaro.fr/medias/2013/01/1 ... 00x532.jpg


even tai chi chuan is no defense
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Re: With a Bang

Postby undead » Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:39 pm

You know, man, this thread really makes me want to never look at this or any internet social venue ever again. I know how depressing the situation is and all I can say is that if you are having a hard time dealing with it the best thing is probably to try to get off the computer/internet and go outside to enjoy breathing the air that is still left while you can. This place is not going to help you feel better, at all. And it gets to a point where it doesn't help to think about it any more, so compiling all of the worst details serves what purpose exactly?

I mean, just don't worry about it. I know that sounds impossible and dismissive but if there is any tiny sliver of a possibility that any solution will ever be found it will not happen until people can stop being overwhelmed with despair. Worrying just doesn't help.
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Re: With a Bang

Postby bardobailey » Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:29 am

No offense taken, undead. I guess I've gone from a shock response to poking the wound. I want to know more and all of a sudden in the past week or so this exact issue (i.e. too late to stop now) is popping up all over the internet. It's either scripted somehow for nefarious purposes or who knows.. I have noticed that most of the links I keep finding are current, from the past few days (not all, but most). It's weird. Also, I do feel better about this stuff becoming common knowledge. How can you know these things and talk to friends and family about mundane bullshit? The more widespread this information becomes, the more understandable it is for some people to freak out, miss work for a day or two, cry, grieve, get depressed. The extra pressure of hiding your sadness can feel like you're tearing up inside while being squeezed into an iron maiden by social dicta.

Please don't read the thread if it bothers you too much. I can't stop exploring this issue, either insane compulsion or coming to terms, I don't know. sorry.

Maybe we have to go through overwhelming despair to think straight about what's left for us to do, and how to go about doing it.
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Re: With a Bang

Postby Hammer of Los » Tue Jan 15, 2013 11:26 pm

...

Maybe we have to go through overwhelming despair to think straight about what's left for us to do, and how to go about doing it.


Every adept needs to go through the long dark night of the soul.

That void thing.

What should we do?

Give up your mobile phone.

Stop watching telly.

Reduce.

Reuse.

Recycle.

Speak your truth.

Be yourself.

Stay healthy for your sake and your children's and the planet's.

Give up your car.

Give up air travel.

Use public transport.

Don't support the war industries.

Try not to support polluting industries.

Live simply and cheaply.

Learn to enjoy making, mending and repairing.

Disinvest from consumer culture.

Emphasise sustainability.

Build self sustaining networks of mutual cooperative benefit.

Support small local businesses.

Support alternative currencies/exchange systems.

Give up meat.

Give up alcohol.

Think straight.

Look, listen and learn.

Be kind to everyone.

Do good deeds, especially when no one is looking.

Remind yourself that your soul is eternal and you don't know what the future may bring.

I could go on.

Or you could just wallow in despair.

I mean, its up to you.

...
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Re: With a Bang

Postby bardobailey » Wed Jan 16, 2013 4:33 am

Thanks hammer,

you know what they say... you can take the pig out of the shit, but .......

http://www.reflexivity.us/wp/2013/01/deepening/
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Re: With a Bang

Postby 82_28 » Wed Jan 16, 2013 4:47 am

Everything but meat and alcohol I'm down with.
There is no me. There is no you. There is all. There is no you. There is no me. And that is all. A profound acceptance of an enormous pageantry. A haunting certainty that the unifying principle of this universe is love. -- Propagandhi
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Re: With a Bang

Postby NeonLX » Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:35 pm

I raised meat for several decades. Love eating the stuff. But it's a nasty bidness, for sure. Very resource intensive and 99% of the time, very cruel (unless you happen to let your cows/pigs/chickens/whatev graze until you butcher 'em; the mass produced meat is chock full of bad karma).

Booze? Damn, that would be really tough to shake.
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Re: With a Bang

Postby NeonLX » Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:45 pm

...and speaking of trees, I am serious bummed. Mrs. NeonLX and I planted a blue spruce in our back yard to celebrate our 5th wedding anniversary, which was over 23 years ago now. It grew into a gorgeous tree that became a place of residence for all kinds of birds, as well as a source of great shade and comfort for us when we are back in the hasta garden. Back in December, we got 20 inches of the wettest, densest, heaviest goddamned snow I've ever encountered. The weight of this snow was so great that it busted our tree off about 1/2-way up. I'm telling you, it was like losing a family member. No, it was exactly that...we did lose a family member. I'm still broken up about it and every time I go out the back door, I have to avert my eyes so I don't have to look at this:

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Re: With a Bang

Postby Pele'sDaughter » Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:07 pm

Sorry for your loss, NLX. Millions of trees, including my baby pecan tree, have died in Texas due to drought. You couldn't water enough to keep anything alive, and I just had to give up trying and watch things die. It was very frustrating.

During the 16 years I've lived at my house, trees sprang up all along the wooden fence and broke the fence in places. I finally had to replace most of it two years ago, this time with chain link. Because of the trees we had to move the fence over a few feet over on one side to the corner of the house. The city approved this and I still have the trees as the property line (not to mention a survey I paid good money for a year earlier). My neighbor on that side, however, got an attitude. They complained that we'd give them our trees and that our trees would block their own proposed fence. They were referring to the 4' metal posts that were already there when we moved in, so I highly doubt they're ever going to put that fence up. I think they were angry that they wouldn't be able to use mine to hook onto in the event they ever did get around to it, and they had the nerve to want us to cut down the trees. I was just blown away that someone wouldn't enjoy the much nicer view. Now they can also see my "bird garden" where I have feeders for squirrels and birds. They probably hate that, too. They did have someone come and trim off a lot of branches that were hanging over their yard. Recently, I finally had a big silver leaf cut down as it was mostly rotted and big limbs would fall off whenever we had high winds (which is fairly frequently in N Texas). It was right by the driveway, so the large shade it provided will be missed. At least I had it done when the tree was bare and I could see no nests in it.

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