Guns (Yawn)

[psynapz]

An actual ad banner I was just served:

[82_28]

Goddammit. Do I really have to annoyingly bring up the the DOUBLE BIND again? Believe me, I seriously am not being a cocksucker. It's not my one tune horn. But one must just basically wonder eh?

It's as if they are growing the molds and fungi in order for some war, the total war to completely obliterate what we here now know as "liberalism". Free people are a threat to authority. Thus why, the dual party system is made up of pretenders who both swear allegiance to "freedom", just the different flavors, depending on your levels of hared and how stupid you were brought up.

Sweet.

[8bitagent]

Goddammit. Do I really have to annoyingly bring up the the DOUBLE BIND again? Believe me, I seriously am not being a cocksucker. It's not my one tune horn. But one must just basically wonder eh?

It's as if they are growing the molds and fungi in order for some war, the total war to completely obliterate what we here now know as "liberalism". Free people are a threat to authority. Thus why, the dual party system is made up of pretenders who both swear allegiance to "freedom", just the different flavors, depending on your levels of hared and how stupid you were brought up.

Sweet.

The term you may also be looking for is powder keg. I think back upon the early 90's, particularly 92-94 where the media really mutated into this thing that could turn a good portion of the public into
a flea circus hypnotized on command. Particularly the LA riots and the mass mind control social experiment that ended up being the OJ circus. However, while there was Waco and OKC and Eric Rudolf...the far right gun nuts
were marginalized to the blue helmet/black copter brigades.

However now...well, those really are scary gun sales soar statistics. And those really are, however manipulated, a lot of people pissed off Obama won(and not for the reasons us lefties wish)
If 9/11 was a unifying mass trauma event, it would make sense that given an understanding of the current climate a mass event now would be created to polarize. Tom Metzger, the infamous Southern California
neo Nazi leader once coined the term "lone wolf" in relation to white nationalist acts of violence. So even without some super secret black op post gladio thang', just the "tiller the killer" like drilling could provide
a rather chilling effect. Mix in the rise of disaffected Iraq/Afghan vets, the lab created gun debate fervor, and who knows what else. But one would think, there has got to be a time when enough guns have flooded the market...with enough manipulated pea brains...and just the right powder keg exploited by the news and stoked by both left and right wing radio(in particular right wing radio) for shit to go down.
Again, just look at the Trayvon Martin thing. Now things may not be at a 1968 or even 1992 powder keg, but who knows. We saw in both 2008 and up on through this last election cycle there's a lot of wackos who are not afraid to let their fringe freak flag fly.

[justdrew]

http://boingboing.net/2013/02/04/former-pilot-and-911-conspira.html#more-210840
Philip Marshall, 54, a career airline pilot who claimed to have once served as a contract pilot for the CIA and DEA during the Iran-Contra affair, shot and killed his two teenage children, and the family dog, then killed himself. The apparent murder-suicide was discovered at the family home in an upscale gated golfing community in Murphys, California.

According to local news reports, teen friends of Alex Marshall, 17 (Facebook, Twitter, Instagram), and Macaila Marshall (Facebook, Twitter, Instagram), 14, noticed the siblings had not been active on social media since Thursday and went by the house on Saturday to check on them.

The friends told police that when they arrived, they found Phillip Marshall, 54, "lying in a pool of blood inside the home," his 9mm Glock nearby.

Deputies believe the children were shot while sleeping on a couch. The dog was found in a bedroom. His estranged wife Sean Marshall, the children's mother, was out of the country at the time.

Philip Marshall has been identified as a former pilot for Eastern and United airlines. He self-published a number of books, including at least two about his 9/11 conspiracy theories: "The Big Bamboozle" (February 9, 2012) and "False Flag 911: How Bush, Cheney and the Saudis Created the Post-911 World" (July 29, 2008).

In his books, he claims to have served as a contract pilot for the US government during the Iran-Contra affair, flying shipments to and from Nicaragua. He appeared on "outsider truth" shows like Coast to Coast to promote his ideas.

more at link

Mother Forced to Watch Estranged Husband Kill Sons, Then Take His Own Life
By Gilma Avalos and Juan Ortega, NBC Miami
February 3, 2013 Updated Feb 3, 2013 at 1:47 PM PST

A South Florida man strangled his two young sons with a rope at his estranged wife’s house and then used a gun to shoot one of the boys several times before he shot himself to death, authorities said Saturday afternoon.

Police say Isidro Zavala, 45, early Saturday went to the Boynton Beach home of his wife with the intention of killing her and their children, Eduardo Zavala, 12, and Mario Zavala, 11.

At the crime scene, detectives found a blue bag with a second firearm, extra ammunition, duct tape, cutting shears and a note addressed to Zavala's oldest son, who was not at the residence during the killings, police said.

Isidro Zavala carried out his plan, but with an exception: He spared his wife, Victoria Flores Zavala, 36, so that she could suffer, police said.

“What Mrs. Zavala had to go through -- watch her children killed before her -- is probably the most horrific thing you could ever imagine, at least for me,” said Boynton Beach Police Chief G. Matthew Immler, saying that he himself is a parent.

The motive for the killing "is just speculation at this point," Immler said.

UPDATE: Dallas man shot, killed two neighbors after dispute over dog feces, police say

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it's not all about guns either

[Laodicean]

[Sounder]

Thanks Laodicean, those folk do quality work, and yet; what is truth?

People are under a lot of pressure in this society. People are bound to exhibit more 'mental health ' issues as accomplishments continue to diverge from expectations.

But the technocrats don't care about consciousness, and anyway the really big money is in the dis-functionality market.

[JackRiddler]

http://www2.macleans.ca/tag/homicide/

Guns, crime and stats in the U.S.

By David Newland - Tuesday, January 1, 2013 - 44 Comments


‘Going postal’ is the tip of the iceberg. The larger problem lies beneath the surface

‘Going postal’—committing mass murder in a public place—seems to have become a horrifying symptom of our times. The latest example, the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, Connecticut, has left Americans divided as to how to proceed. Recent data on mass shootings compiled and released by Mother Jones shed some new light on the issues.

The data refer to gun homicides in the U.S., during the past three decades, committed at a single time, away from home, and involving four or more victims. What’s fascinating in these numbers, grim as they are, is that they are often merely the tip of the iceberg: the larger truth lies beneath the surface.

Number of mass shootings in the United States since 1982: 62.

That’s a startling number, to be sure. But what’s truly startling is that despite their dramatic nature, mass shootings together account for “only” 1,007 deaths over 30 years. To put that in perspective, more than 11,000 Americans were killed by guns in 2009. In Chicago alone in 2012, 500 people have been killed in homicides. In the week after Sandy Hook, 100 Americans were killed by guns.

U.S. mass shootings since 1982 in which the shooter, or shooters were men: 61.

Is anyone surprised that the majority of mass shooters were male? Probably not. But that only one of the killers was female must surely be cause for serious consideration. Gun ownership among women in the U.S. as of 2005 was roughly 13 per cent; for men it was 47 per cent. Perhaps more important though, is how likely women are to be victims of gun crime. Harvard Injury Control Research Centre puts it this way: more guns = more female violent deaths.

The one was presumably Bishop:

Breaking - First ever female rampage killing?
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U.S. mass shootings since 1982 involving semiautomatic or assault weapons: 58.

All but four of 62 shootings included one or more semiautomatic handguns, or one or more assault weapons, or both. There’s a widespread belief that the Second Ammendment to the U.S. Constitution, commonly known as ‘the right to bear arms’, gives carte blanche to gun owners.

Perhaps not: the Supreme Court in District of Columbia v. Heller in 2008 affirmed “The Second Amendment right is not a right to keep and carry any weapon in any manner and for any purpose.” Hence, a ban on semiautomatic and assault weapons might not be in violation of the Second Ammendment.

U.S. mass shootings since 1982 in which shooters used weapons obtained legally: 49.

This figure does not include the two semi-automatics Adam Lanza used in the Sandy Hook shootings. They’re considered to have been illegally obtained because Lanza apparently stole them from his mother—who obtained them legally, and taught him to use them. (An important fact not dealt with in the popular ‘I Am Adam Lanza’s Mother’ post by Liza Long.) In five of the 11 cases of illegally obtained guns in the Mother Jones data set, the weapons were stolen from family members.

Incidentally, in 2004, the makers of a Bushmaster assault rifle similar to the one Adam Lanza stole were sued for allowing their product to fall into the wrong hands after it was used in the Washington, D.C. shooting spree. Since then, the NRA lobbied for, and got Congress to pass a law that protects gun manufacturers from lawsuits seeking to hold them liable for gun crimes.

U.S. mass shootings since 1982 that ended as murder-suicides: 36.

This number may be even higher, because in seven instances, the shooters were ultimately killed by law enforcement officers in scenarios viewable as suicide by cop. For obvious reasons, a lot of attention is being paid to firearm homicides. But did you know firearm suicides are more common?

U.S. mass shootings since 1982 in which shooters had shown signs of mental illness: 40.

This should be the place where gun advocates, and gun control advocates can find common ground. Responsible gun dealers must want to eliminate those who are mentally ill and at risk for violence from their pool of potential customers. But that’s not always possible right now. A mere 12 states account for the vast majority of queries to the FBI database set up for the purpose. Nineteen states have submitted fewer than 100 records each to the FBI database.

One challenge in focusing on mental illness will be not stigmatizing mentally ill people. It’s been duly noted that most mentally ill people don’t commit violent crimes. But it’s also true, as one pundit put it, that “anyone who goes into a school with a semiautomatic and kills 20 children and six adults is, by definition, mentally ill”.

U.S. mass shootings that have occurred since 2006: 25.

Gun ownership is up, way up, in the U.S. since 1982, having outpaced population growth during the period reported by the survey. There are now nearly as many guns in the U.S. as people, which means there’s more than one for every adult American. At least 118 million of those are handguns, according to Mother Jones. And recent mass shootings have caused spikes in gun sales. As gun sales have gone up, so have mass shootings. Coincidence?

U.S. mass shootings since 1982 prevented or ended by armed bystanders: 0.

The NRA’s notion, that schools should be armed to prevent massacres like the one at Sandy Hook, is not borne out by the record. Mother Jones found that an armed bystander played a role in only one of the 62 mass shootings examined—by shooting the perpetrator after he had already fled the scene.

Politically, the issue of mass shootings is a highly visible, volatile one, for obvious reasons. No one wants another Sandy Hook, any more than anyone wanted another Aurora, another Virginia Tech, another Columbine. People keep “going postal,” and the horrifying results are plain to see.

But “going postal,” however common it appears, however visible its impact, remains relatively rare—mass shootings account for a tiny fraction of the deaths associated with guns in the United States today.

One more:

Mass shootings in U.S. feature films since 1982 prevented or ended by armed bystanders: 81.

I just made that number up, but of course there were a great many. This contributes to the "Eastwood Fallacy," as I've coined it, the belief widespread among gun advocates that the good guys will draw faster and shoot straighter.

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[8bitagent]

Why does it seem like babies/toddlers/young kids are killed in accidental shooting deaths by the dozens every day in Amerikuh?
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03 ... amily?lite

[Nordic]

Banning guns as a way to prevent shootings seems to me to be the equivalent of hiding the booze because you live with an alcoholic. The issue isnt easy access to booze but the fact that there's a serious problem and that's that the person has an overwhelming and irresistable urge to drink self destructively.

What's so fucked up is that there are so many people who want to slaughter so many of their fellow men and women. We need to address this; all the chatter about guns is just another distraction, another divide-and-conquer ploy, another fear-mongering technique.

[KeenInsight]

Theses submitted for discussion:
2a) This is not mainly because they could not win militarily (see 3), although that is also self-evidently true, and the imagined uprising-against-tyranny by Americans-who-own-guns-legally-as-individuals would be a short and poorly supported affair that would be labeled as terrorism and serve to strengthen the tyranny of the real-existing institutions.

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Essentially what happens in Deus Ex. The Militias are branded as Terrorists in the U.S.

[StarmanSkye]

Is this the correct thread to ask for advice on where I can find bulk 500-1000 rounds of 9mm ammo?

But what about the outrageous shortage of ammo, even at Walmart & ordinarily abundant internet-sales distributers, with the few instances of local gun & sports stores over-charging (gouging!) by 30+%?

Is it linked to the Gov/DHS's recent orders for ammo (perhaps not the 1.5 million many suggest but 1500M, w/ 'm' being gov-ordering code-abbreviation for 'box of 50'.

Sure is an awful lot of zany speculation out there, from a gov back-door 'gun-control' via severely limiting the supply of ammo, controlling ammo manufacturer's output to sudden surplus of new-gun & ammo buyers & gov/gov-insider stockpiling ammo as a way to restrict citizen's armed-defense capability if/when event of civil-war or in response to martial law crackdowns.

Sure would like some accurate info that passes the smell test to provide some insight.

[82_28]

Theses submitted for discussion:
2a) This is not mainly because they could not win militarily (see 3), although that is also self-evidently true, and the imagined uprising-against-tyranny by Americans-who-own-guns-legally-as-individuals would be a short and poorly supported affair that would be labeled as terrorism and serve to strengthen the tyranny of the real-existing institutions.

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Essentially what happens in Deus Ex. The Militias are branded as Terrorists in the U.S.

You mean the game right? What's interesting about the game is that it is one of or possibly the first FPS/RPG that you can get the entire way through it without killing anyone and still finish it. I really should replay that again. That game was awesome/is awesome.

[barracuda]

Yawn. Now please tell me again how all these false flag attacks are intended as the pretext to taking away our god-given right to extended magazines and no background checks.

[8bitagent]

Sometimes I feel embarrassed to be living in America

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05 ... shoot?lite

The gun was small and light, the training wheels of firearms. The .22-caliber, single-shot Crickett rifle turned deadly on Tuesday, officials in Kentucky said, when a 5-year-old Cumberland County boy shot and killed his 2-year-old sister in what the coroner described to a local paper as “just one of those crazy accidents.”

The toddler was shot when the boy was playing with the rifle, as Kentucky state police said in a statement. The gun, a type of rifle made specifically for kids, had been given to the boy as a gift last year and kept in a corner, and the family did not realize a shell was in the chamber, Cumberland County Coroner Gary White told the Lexington Herald-Leader.
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The Crickett is one of two lines of .22-caliber rifles for kids manufactured by the Pennsylvania-based Keystone Sporting Arms. The company acquired the maker of the similar Chipmunk rifle in 2007, a purchase that positioned the company as “the leading rifle supplier in the youth market,” according to the company’s website.

On the site’s “Kids Corner,” young target shooters and hunters pose with their guns, and videos on the company’s YouTube channel promote the gun as fun for the whole family.

[Iamwhomiam]