Yes, it involves communicating with a large number of people, but people do that anyway. and we KNOW that only changing people's expectations will lead to better outcomes, so we have to deal with 'the people' anyway.
By 1964 there were 1.5 million mobile phone users in the US
barracuda wrote:^^Yeah, 'cause that codicil disqualified every idea I had come up with.
What? No poems?
Poems are, as I said, an analogue. An analogue for operating freely within strict limits.
“Joy is a current of energy in your body, like chlorophyll or sunlight, that fills you up and makes you naturally want to do your best.” - Bill Russell
DrEvil wrote:Another quick thought on high frequency trading. Would it be illegal to create algorithms whose only purpose is to make other algorithms lose money? Something that figures out their patterns (like "the Knife"), and interrupts them.
A vengeful, artificially-intelligent, stock-trading daemon would be a great subject for a spy novel
it' not really funny, someone crying wolf... but yeah, it is a waste of time that someone else might really need, especially if an ambulance was dispatched.
SWAT team sent to home of CNN’s Wolf Blitzer A message sent to police in Montgomery County, Virginia on Saturday caused a SWAT team to descend upon a home owned by CNN host Wolf Blitzer, under the impression that someone at the residence had just been shot.
The report turned out to not be true, according to The Washington Post, which noted that Blitzer was not home at the time. Police were already suspicious of the message when they arrived on the scene, the Post noted, having received a text message sent through a phone provider’s emergency relay service.
The case is yet another instance of the growing trend known as “swatting,” where authorities are called to someone’s home under false pretenses. Other recent notable victims of swatting include Fox News contributor Erik Erickson, television personality Ryan Seacrest and talk show host Russell Brand, along with former Washington Post tech columnist Brian Krebs.
Police said they are still trying to determine who sent the message about a shooting at Blitzer’s home. “Wolf is fine,” a CNN spokesperson reportedly said. “That’s what matters most.”
By 1964 there were 1.5 million mobile phone users in the US
Even the nude shaming involved occupying sites and continuing to occupy them. If this is anything like occupying or blockading mining sites around here it will be illegal by definition - being that mining sites are covered by their own legal agreements and usually subject to trespass law.
The shaming kind of reminds me of the Knitting Nannas.
“Joy is a current of energy in your body, like chlorophyll or sunlight, that fills you up and makes you naturally want to do your best.” - Bill Russell
awareness is a necessary but not a sufficient element needed for changing the basic nature of our condition. It is not sufficient because motivation is only maintained through understanding whereas awareness is the mere product of information.
Much of our ‘information’ this past century has been ‘helpfully’ provided through the Rockefeller Trust and related foundations. Rockefeller found great value in hiring ‘public relations’ men to change his reputation after the Ludlow massacre.
I think Rockefeller was emboldened by this to such an extent that he decided that he could literally buy the world.
The process is hoped to be accomplished through establishing the Rockefeller consensus.
This will fail because surely any system for understanding that is built by lying scumbags will contain too many internal contradictions for this (coercive) system to be viable in the long run.
Unfortunately, much of the ‘left’ is on board with this consensus.
I seek to give back to progressivism its good name.
Defeat of the Rockefeller consensus is a primary requirement if we are to create Actual solutions rather than more counterfeit stand ins for solutions.
All these things will continue as long as coercion remains a central element of our mentality.
Anyone care to come up with ideas, instead of off-topic cynicism? (What in the fuck does a Rockefeller consensus have to do with this thread?) (Doves and teddy bears...maybe, it's the best idea you've contributed, Joe.)
“Joy is a current of energy in your body, like chlorophyll or sunlight, that fills you up and makes you naturally want to do your best.” - Bill Russell
Well, I'm in the camp that anything effective WILL be made 'illegal', if not already. Personally, I very much favor the 'occupation' schtick. That shit works, but as we see, you eventually get bum rushed and told to 'move along'. Sometimes the machine is so bad you throw yourself on the gears, on the wheels" to paraphrase. Occupations work. One or groups need the spare time or availability though. Major incessant dedication and bodily stress. Can anyone spare not going to work or whatnot for extended periods? Unlikely. God bless those who occupied here in the US. This tactic is used elsewhere worldwide though. Again though, anything effective WILL be made 'illegal'. Count on it.
Also, unions back in the day did not limit themselves to non-violent means.
2012 Countdown wrote:Well, I'm in the camp that anything effective WILL be made 'illegal', if not already. Personally, I very much favor the 'occupation' schtick. That shit works, but as we see, you eventually get bum rushed and told to 'move along'. Sometimes the machine is so bad you throw yourself on the gears, on the wheels" to paraphrase. Occupations work. One or groups need the spare time or availability though. Major incessant dedication and bodily stress. Can anyone spare not going to work or whatnot for extended periods? Unlikely. God bless those who occupied here in the US. This tactic is used elsewhere worldwide though. Again though, anything effective WILL be made 'illegal'. Count on it.
Also, unions back in the day did not limit themselves to non-violent means.
Do not care about past violence. Start a different thread for that, please.
Will all dissent ideas someday be made illegal? Perhaps. It's not illegal, yet, though.
Think! Think! It ain't illegal yet!
Ideas, please.
“Joy is a current of energy in your body, like chlorophyll or sunlight, that fills you up and makes you naturally want to do your best.” - Bill Russell
Luther Blissett wrote:I've heard others say this before, and I tend to agree, that satire is the most dangerous form of dissent.
I don't want to post any specific ideas in case I actually follow through with them, but: a three act, satirical play a la Dr. Strangelove that follows young marginalized people as they uncover a conspiracy revealed to be perpetrated by increasingly powerful forces as each act progresses.
It's hard to resist the dream that a movie could change the world - or at least serve as the counterpropaganda antidote to hegemonic movie-myth.
A couple of well-known scholars and I will be exploring the question at this year's LEFT FORUM in New York.
Does it qualify as an RI forum? You tell me!
If you're in NYC around June 7-9, be sure to drop in.
Abstract: Controversy over CIA production help for "Zero Dark Thirty" with its apology for torture was followed by Best Picture for a CIA fable, "Argo." Michelle Obama presented the Oscar from the White House. Are these just latest products of Hollywood's imbrication with the US national security state? Or are we witnessing a new convergence driven by geopolitical realities? Despite liberal repute, big-budget Hollywood often produces paeans to US imperialism, aids to military recruitment, and - crucially – constructions of the 'enemy'. We look at examples when Hollywood has acted as de facto propaganda ministry, up to present-day Pentagon subsidies for war films and surveillance state 'pornography' on TV shows, like "Person of Interest" and "NCIS." Is there a way to intelligibly map the relationship between national security state and Hollywood that improves on current understandings? Would such analysis find simple ideological confluence rooted in shared interest, or something more manipulative and directed? Both? Anyway, aren't movies just entertainment? If not, what would (and does) successful counter-propaganda look like? Session features dialogue between Bryan Sacks (Doctoral candidate, Rutgers School of Communication; Philosophy instructor, Drexel University) and Nicholas Levis (Occupy; Author, "Working for the Enemy"). Commentary by Rutgers professor Jack Bratich, author of "Conspiracy Panics: Popular Culture and Political Rationality." Film clips. Audience participation.
Reading List: Suggested Books: (1) Matthew Alford, 2010. Reel Power: Hollywood Cinema and American Supremacy. -- (2) Melanie McAllister, 2004. Epic Encounters: Culture, Media, and U.S. Interests in the Middle East since 1945. -- (3) Benjamin Netanyahu (Editor), 1986. Terrorism: How the West Can Win. ------ Suggested Articles: (4) Naomi Klein, September 10, 2004: "The Likudization of the World: The True Legacy of September 11." (At http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0909-04.htm) -- (5) "Hollywood - Weaponised Dream Factory: an Interview with Matthew Alford." (At http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2010/10/466515.html) -- (6) Tom Hayden, "When the CIA infiltrated Hollywood." Review of Tricia Jenkins, "The CIA in Hollywood: How the Agency Shapes Film and Television" (2013). (At http://www.salon.com/2013/02/28/is_holl ... singleton/) ------ Viewing List: In this case, perhaps a viewing list is more appropriate, starting with the 2012 US films "Argo" and "Zero Dark Thirty." (It's commendable if you can legally avoid paying for either.) -- (7) "Reel Bad Arabs: How Hollywood Vilifies A People." Film by Dr. Jack Shaheen. (Available at http://www.reelbadarabs.com/) -- (8) "Hollywood and The War Machine." Al Jazeera series "Empire" examines the symbiotic relationship between the movie industry and the military-industrial complex. Includes examination of the Pentagon film office. (At http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/emp ... 63793.html) ------ Online References: (9) IMDB Filmography of Philip M. Strub, director, US Department of Defense Film Liaison Unit. Displays Mr. Strub's 50+ credits on feature films. At http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0835243/ -- (10) ZERO ANTHROPOLOGY. "Encircling Empire: Report #19—Militainment." Compilation on recent films and related news stories by Maximilian Forte. At http://zeroanthropology.net/2013/01/02/ ... itainment/ -- (11) The War Game Room. At http://www.pomgrenade.org/WGR/ ------Suggested Preparation: Participants in this seminar should feel free to arrive with examples from or insights on works like "Person of Interest" and "Homeland" or even "The Walking Dead," the fictionalized alphabet agency complex of CSI-NCIS-SVU-WTF, or anything else they feel is fair game for a subject that is pervasive in our culture, but not easily defined. ------ Also, one could consider the following question: Is it possible for a feature film, perhaps one that directly takes on the subject of the Hollywood-Mil-Intel-Entertainment complex, to serve as successful counter-propaganda? Given the lack of a Hollywood budget for such a project at this, are different forms of action to confront the military-intelligence-entertainment complex possible, and perhaps more effective?
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DrEvil wrote:Another quick thought on high frequency trading. Would it be illegal to create algorithms whose only purpose is to make other algorithms lose money? Something that figures out their patterns (like "the Knife"), and interrupts them.
A vengeful, artificially-intelligent, stock-trading daemon would be a great subject for a spy novel
Already done actually, sort of. Charles Stross has sentient, predatory financial instruments in his book "Accelerando".
On topic, and staying legal, there's been research done showing that a loud minority can dominate and steer the public debate, simply by being loud and persistent. I think the number was 10% or thereabouts.
I think the left has to take a page from the conservative playbook. Stop being so nice and objective. Call them out on every little crazy thing they say, and don't pussyfoot around. If they're lying - call them a liar, if they're being misogynistic, homophobic or racist, call them a misogynist, a homophobe and a racist.
Do they have financial interests in the war on terror? War profiteering. Is their wife/husband employed by a lobbyist firm or a major bank? Conflict of interest. Possible corruption. Etc. etc.
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DrEvil wrote:On topic, and staying legal, there's been research done showing that a loud minority can dominate and steer the public debate, simply by being loud and persistent. I think the number was 10% or thereabouts.
I think the left has to take a page from the conservative playbook. Stop being so nice and objective. Call them out on every little crazy thing they say, and don't pussyfoot around. If they're lying - call them a liar, if they're being misogynistic, homophobic or racist, call them a misogynist, a homophobe and a racist.
Do they have financial interests in the war on terror? War profiteering. Is their wife/husband employed by a lobbyist firm or a major bank? Conflict of interest. Possible corruption. Etc. etc.
I bring good news, from the realm of social media. There's a Facebook group, closed, but on the verge of being publicly viewable. Its mission is very, very similar to your excellent idea.
It's called Ostracon. At the moment, it's composed of what might be termed Talebites. Talebians. Talebists. Whatever. Also, Taleb himself is participating. As am I.
But, of course, rather than any closeted "Rocafella" agenda... Rather than any self-aggrandizing braggadocio... Rather than a pyramid-idolizing "Hova"...
What this Ostracon promises is another spirit of Jehovah... Not any violent retribution per the Old Testament... Just good old fashioned righteous indignation... And: The truth. The whole truth. Nothing but.
“Joy is a current of energy in your body, like chlorophyll or sunlight, that fills you up and makes you naturally want to do your best.” - Bill Russell
