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Re: The peoples voice.

Postby brainpanhandler » Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:07 pm

seemslikeadream » Wed Jun 05, 2013 4:11 pm wrote:

another panhandling for money :roll:


Shouldn't you be off, not wasting a single second of your life, researching every last detail of every last holocaust ever perpetrated by man?

Panhandling can be a noble art form. Don't dis the panhandlers. I've spent more than a few afternoons drinking whatever rotgut a panhandler that had got my attention wanted and listened to at first their schtick and hopefully eventually something real. Some of them have refined their personas to such an extent that I imagine they don't even really know themselves anymore. Compulsive liars (story tellers), but sometimes vastly entertaining liars. Others rely more strictly on emotional manipulation. Some of them are sophisticated enough to tailor their approach on the basis of their observations of the chosen mark. Generally it seems a panhandler can only expect very brief contact and so they have to have a hook that grabs you. Some employ a rapid fire strategy, quickly moving from mark to mark.

Some of them have chosen their way of life. But many, probably most, have not. They are on the streets for many reasons, primarily economic dislocation, mental illness, and addiction. It's a downward sprial. I've been close enough to scout out places where I might sleep. Once I started looking I noticed that the best places were already taken.

Of course independent funding of journalism is a fantastic idea.

I assume you looked around on the indiegogo website. When I saw the variety of reasons people were asking for money it got me to thinking of the things I would want to raise money for. Calling it panhanding was just a play on my nick here, well, that and a recognition that crowd source funding is to some extent a high tech form of panhandling, albeit I imagine indiegogo would frown on starting a campaign to fund liquor procurement.
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Re: The peoples voice.

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:24 pm

It was posted in green....around here that means sarcasm...maybe I misunderstood your use of the word in the context of this thread ...what was posted above....I thought you were dissing liberal groups asking (panhandeling) for money

I only post 'other' holocaust because AD seems only fixated on one...he may not realize there were others...I don't know I've never seen him worry or care about any other

only seeing one holocaust EVER discussed here pisses me off

so off with you....shouldn't you be doing something else?.....whatever

and I just don't post about holocausts in case you hadn't noticed

brainpanhandler » Wed Jun 05, 2013 5:07 pm wrote:
seemslikeadream » Wed Jun 05, 2013 4:11 pm wrote:

another panhandling for money :roll:


Shouldn't you be off, not wasting a single second of your life, researching every last detail of every last holocaust ever perpetrated by man?

Panhandling can be a noble art form. Don't dis the panhandlers. I've spent more than a few afternoons drinking whatever rotgut a panhandler that had got my attention wanted and listened to at first their schtick and hopefully eventually something real. Some of them have refined their personas to such an extent that I imagine they don't even really know themselves anymore. Compulsive liars (story tellers), but sometimes vastly entertaining liars. Others rely more strictly on emotional manipulation. Some of them are sophisticated enough to tailor their approach on the basis of their observations of the chosen mark. Generally it seems a panhandler can only expect very brief contact and so they have to have a hook that grabs you. Some employ a rapid fire strategy, quickly moving from mark to mark.

Some of them have chosen their way of life. But many, probably most, have not. They are on the streets for many reasons, primarily economic dislocation, mental illness, and addiction. It's a downward sprial. I've been close enough to scout out places where I might sleep. Once I started looking I noticed that the best places were already taken.

Of course independent funding of journalism is a fantastic idea.

I assume you looked around on the indiegogo website. When I saw the variety of reasons people were asking for money it got me to thinking of the things I would want to raise money for. Calling it panhanding was just a play on my nick here, well, that and a recognition that crowd source funding is to some extent a high tech form of panhandling, albeit I imagine indiegogo would frown on starting a campaign to fund liquor procurement.
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Re: The peoples voice.

Postby American Dream » Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:44 pm

seemslikeadream » Wed Jun 05, 2013 5:24 pm wrote:I only post 'other' holocaust because AD seems only fixated on one...he may not realize there were others

only seeing one holocaust EVER discussed here pisses me off


I just tried searching "Genocide" and "American Dream" here on this board: http://www.google.com/search?as_q=genoc ... as_rights=

I came up with 1,360 hits on that alone. So much more to be found along those lines if you ever check out Economic Aspects of "Love".

So really, posting these sorts of random holocaust links seems to be more of a very clumsy way of trying to excuse David Icke and his posse for a miserable history of propagating disinformational themes regarding: the Protocols, the Nazis, sleazy Monarch "survivors", shape-shifting reptilians who drink blood, and all such sketchy "news and information"...

Are you another one of those people who doesn't have a firm position on David Icke but does?
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Re: The peoples voice.

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:50 pm

American Dream » Wed Jun 05, 2013 5:44 pm wrote:
seemslikeadream » Wed Jun 05, 2013 5:24 pm wrote:I only post 'other' holocaust because AD seems only fixated on one...he may not realize there were others

only seeing one holocaust EVER discussed here pisses me off


I just tried searching "Genocide" and "American Dream" here on this board: http://www.google.com/search?as_q=genoc ... as_rights=

I cam up with 1,360 hits on that alone. So much more to be found along those lines if you ever check out Economic Aspects of "Love".

So really, posting these sorts of random holocaust links seems to be more so a really clumsy way of trying to excuse David Icke and his posse for a miserable history of propagating disinformational themes regarding: the Protocols, the Nazis, sleazy Monarch "survivors", shape-shifting reptilians who drink blood, and all such sketchy "news and information"...


I'm not going to waste my time looking for your posts on any other genocide or holocaust denial ...If you don't believe Icke is the worse holocaust denier in the world you couldn't prove it to me by your posts that I have read here

Do you think Icke is the worse holocaust denier ever? Seems to me you do. And that's what irritates me, If not please post other deniers that are worse cause I have never seen you post about any other denier of any other race of people here.


I did a RI search here ... American Dream - holocaust denier .......denial of only one group came up ....3 pages...I did waste my time
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Re: The peoples voice.

Postby brainpanhandler » Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:30 pm

seemslikeadream » Wed Jun 05, 2013 5:24 pm wrote:It was posted in green....around here that means sarcasm...maybe I misunderstood your use of the word in the context of this thread ...what was posted above....I thought you were dissing liberal groups asking (panhandeling) for money


Yes. You misunderstood me.
I only post 'other' holocaust because AD seems only fixated on one


Heh. Just as I always suspected.


...he may not realize there were others...I don't know I've never seen him worry or care about any other


I assume AD is aware of a great variety of the systematic atrocities human beings have committed upon one another.

only seeing one holocaust EVER discussed here pisses me off


I suspect that AD emphasizes the jewish holocaust for a number of centext specific reasons, two of which are:

1) Jeff has made it a priority, as evident by the board rules regarding holocaust revisionism. "This is an anti-fascist board. Propagation of fascist, neo-Nazi and "white pride" causes, including sympathetically linking to sites which advocate such, will not be permitted. This includes revisionist histories of the Holocaust." I imagine Jeff would listen to a reasoned argument as to whether to include other holocausts in that ban.

2) AD takes an interest in Icke, obviously. He argues that Icke is an impediment to his own stated goals of disseminating the truth widely. He argues the Ickes of the conspiracy fringe serve to attract the unsuspecting, feed them with half truths and slip poison pills in along the way... like, the evil jews rule the world meme. He can correct me if I'm wrong. Icke has a following here. This concerns AD and that concern perhaps creates the impression that the jewish holocaust is the only one he knows or cares about. At least if I give him the benefit of the doubt that's what I am more likely to assume.

so off with you....shouldn't you be doing something else?.....whatever


Yes. In fact. Gawd stop me before I start psychoanalyzing why members here defend Icke.

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Re: The peoples voice.

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:35 pm

brainpanhandler » Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:30 pm wrote:
seemslikeadream » Wed Jun 05, 2013 5:24 pm wrote:It was posted in green....around here that means sarcasm...maybe I misunderstood your use of the word in the context of this thread ...what was posted above....I thought you were dissing liberal groups asking (panhandeling) for money


Yes. You misunderstood me.
I only post 'other' holocaust because AD seems only fixated on one


Heh. Just as I always suspected.


...he may not realize there were others...I don't know I've never seen him worry or care about any other


I assume AD is aware of a great variety of the systematic atrocities human beings have committed upon one another.

only seeing one holocaust EVER discussed here pisses me off


I suspect that AD emphasizes the jewish holocaust for a number of centext specific reasons, two of which are:

1) Jeff has made it a priority, as evident by the board rules regarding holocaust revisionism. "This is an anti-fascist board. Propagation of fascist, neo-Nazi and "white pride" causes, including sympathetically linking to sites which advocate such, will not be permitted. This includes revisionist histories of the Holocaust." I imagine Jeff would listen to a reasoned argument as to whether to include other holocausts in that ban.

2) AD takes an interest in Icke, obviously. He argues that Icke is an impediment to his own stated goals of disseminating the truth widely. He argues the Ickes of the conspiracy fringe serve to attract the unsuspecting, feed them with half truths and slip poison pills in along the way... like, the evil jews rule the world meme. He can correct me if I'm wrong. Icke has a following here. This concerns AD and that concern perhaps creates the impression that the jewish holocaust is the only one he knows or cares about. At least if I give him the benefit of the doubt that's what I am more likely to assume.

so off with you....shouldn't you be doing something else?.....whatever


Yes. In fact. Gawd stop me before I start psychoanalyzing why members here defend Icke.

I need a drink.



I don't defend Icke....I just say he's no Winston Churchill
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Re: The peoples voice.

Postby American Dream » Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:57 pm

brainpanhandler » Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:30 pm wrote:
I assume AD is aware of a great variety of the systematic atrocities human beings have committed upon one another.

only seeing one holocaust EVER discussed here pisses me off


I suspect that AD emphasizes the jewish holocaust for a number of centext specific reasons, two of which are:

1) Jeff has made it a priority, as evident by the board rules regarding holocaust revisionism. "This is an anti-fascist board. Propagation of fascist, neo-Nazi and "white pride" causes, including sympathetically linking to sites which advocate such, will not be permitted. This includes revisionist histories of the Holocaust." I imagine Jeff would listen to a reasoned argument as to whether to include other holocausts in that ban.

2) AD takes an interest in Icke, obviously. He argues that Icke is an impediment to his own stated goals of disseminating the truth widely. He argues the Ickes of the conspiracy fringe serve to attract the unsuspecting, feed them with half truths and slip poison pills in along the way... like, the evil jews rule the world meme. He can correct me if I'm wrong. Icke has a following here. This concerns AD and that concern perhaps creates the impression that the jewish holocaust is the only one he knows or cares about. At least if I give him the benefit of the doubt that's what I am more likely to assume.


Yeah- this is pretty much all on the mark. I should note that I would definitely add to the mainstream narrative of the Nazi Holocaust by certainly including all the others who were interned and/or killed: communists, queers, gypsies, disabled people, resisters, and all the rest. I am anti-zionist (as well as anti-settler colonialism in general), so I do endorse Norman Finkelstein's meticulously researched argument in The Holocaust Industry, and hold it to be consistent with broad anti-racist principles.



seemslikeadream » Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:35 pm wrote:
I don't defend Icke....I just say he's no Winston Churchill


That's funny- you sure seem like "one of those people who doesn't have a firm position on David Icke but does"...
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Re: The peoples voice.

Postby JackRiddler » Wed Jun 05, 2013 8:15 pm

seemslikeadream » Tue Jun 04, 2013 9:41 am wrote:EVERYBODY asks for money :roll:


That's right, and a lot of them deserve it. So fucked if I'm going to give any to David Icke, or let a pitch for money on his behalf go unanswered on this board.
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Re: The peoples voice.

Postby Canadian_watcher » Wed Jun 05, 2013 8:42 pm

It has been mentioned on this board that people like to pile on the female posters.
Looks like that's completely untrue, right guys?
SLAD I know this is your fight and having me speak up on your behalf isn't exactly a favour around these parts, but I am sick and tired of this sort of horse crap. BPH, JR, why insinuate yourselves into the middle of this? ?????????????????????????
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Re: The peoples voice.

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Wed Jun 05, 2013 9:09 pm

We all insinuate ourselves into the middle of everything: such is the nature of participation, here on an internet forum.

I'm guessing I will be locking this thread before Midnight. Another Icke bomb down the drain, as per tradition.
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Re: The peoples voice.

Postby Canadian_watcher » Wed Jun 05, 2013 9:33 pm

Wombaticus Rex » Wed Jun 05, 2013 8:09 pm wrote:We all insinuate ourselves into the middle of everything: such is the nature of participation, here on an internet forum.

I'm guessing I will be locking this thread before Midnight. Another Icke bomb down the drain, as per tradition.


Don't lock it on account of me. I've said all I have to say.
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Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Jun 05, 2013 9:57 pm

Don't lock it because of me...My apologies slimmouse for derailing his thread
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Re: The peoples voice.

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Wed Jun 05, 2013 10:17 pm

I would definitely love to see this thread continue to breathe, too.

I'm interested in the broader question of What The Fuck, Really, Is The Point of Another Website, At This Point? I think the Rhizome model works - the decentralized, multi-node, multi-format information diet that we cultivate. Note that I'm not saying RI is the solution, but that how we're each approaching Teh Internets is a functional, working system - but that's not necessarily reducable to a template we can just hand the world and, you know, fix things.

I think this has a strong & strange resonance with the thread about Galactic supercluster formation having eerie parallels (or isomorphisms, one of my favoritest words) with how human neurons make us quiver, quake and shout. We just need to grow our own root systems like any other tree. I really question what Alternet does that TruthOut does not, you now? Same goes for BigGovernment and TheBlaze - why? Daily Beast and every other centrist poli-gossip rag - why?

Those alternate doors aside, though, I would like to see more media coverage on something like Ben disappearing.

I think that lament is going to last our species a couple more centuries, too. It's like all those explosions under Cheney's house -- everyone knows what that means, but nobody can say it. HAARP is an abundantly detailed reality but I still feel fucking absurd talking about it. Cheney wasn't really doing anything in secret, per se. Like the explosions, like remarkably coincidental drill on September 11th. It's a huge tell to any rival intelligence agency, but hiding their activities from other intelligence agencies has never been the point. I don't really think "hiding it from the American people" is the point either, I differ with Marchetti there. I think it's just the simple fact they can deny it, deny the obvious truth, and remain in power.

And what's a new site anyway? We're just going to build The Resistance off their template -- off the crazy-making 24 hour, one-up, breaking news cycle? Off trying to promote our fucking content on social fucking media For The Cause?

Nah.

Perhaps our pounds & bucks are better spent on seeds and soil, or shit -- even beer.
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Re: The peoples voice.

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Wed Jun 05, 2013 11:07 pm

...which is not to be on some Doomer schtick, to be clear: I just happen to like fresh veggies and citrus. And beer.

Leviathan Cartography could only be a department at an Invisible University, no?

https://silentcircle.com/

Thank you, Enoch Blackwater ==> https://www.torproject.org/projects/torbrowser.html.en

These tools are cool and undeniably useful, but what really counts is what we can talk out loud about.

Which is why I'm always keen to encourage a wider array of perspectives here -- it's just the ad hominem stuff that gets me Moderatory. I would like to see verboten stuff exposed to reasonable, factual demolition so that we can hone the message...at least, to our mutual and seldom overlapping personal ends. All about RI as a Safe Zone for wizards.

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Re: The peoples voice.

Postby JackRiddler » Thu Jun 06, 2013 1:53 am

Wombaticus Rex » Wed Jun 05, 2013 8:09 pm wrote:We all insinuate ourselves into the middle of everything: such is the nature of participation, here on an internet forum.

I'm guessing I will be locking this thread before Midnight. Another Icke bomb down the drain, as per tradition.


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