The UK’s pro-Israel lobby in context.

[Searcher08]

"So what?" was not a definitive statement of repudiation but it was a sort of challenge- an asking of "What have you got?

Those questions were all real- and very, very serious:

If one really does reject the puerile myths of the reactionaries and racists- and who can deny that there are many regarding the Rothschilds- then what is left? What makes their story exceptional as compared to other get rich quick stories and adventures in finance capital? Are the claims in the movie about Libya described before really worthwhile? How many of those who go on about the Rothschilds will really claim anti-Racism as a central value and then walk their talk?

Well, what is your rebuttal to the points I mentioned? I just see you re-stating the Far Left position but without addressing any of the evidence which I provided upthread. All I see is multiple 'they are the same' as "get rich quick stories" and "adventures in finance capital" which is really vague - compared to WHICH get rich quick stories / adventures in finance capital.

Your last question is unanswerable if taken literally. I am hearing you say that "most Rothschild discussers I have met have been racists" - is that accurate?




You didnt answer my points regarding your (important) question about what to do about empowerment - which I think is key and which I think may require different strategies if there IS a 'So What'.

[American Dream]

Searcher, please clearly restate the questions you have posed that you feel need answering as I want to be sure what specifically you are referring to- and please do provide a more clear and direct response to the questions I have posed about evidence regarding the Rothschilds and its importance- as you have quoted immediately above.

As to "Rothschild Theory" and Racism- I am saying that this stuff is clearly much beloved by racists and reactionaries- I am asking who espouses this stuff as part of a clearly anti-racist praxis...

[slimmouse]

You know what.

I really like to get into the flesh and bones of the Israeli/Palestinian deal, because when you get right down to it, we can argue the pro's an con's of racism associated with it till we're all blue in the face, which Im pretty sure is the intention of some posters.

The trouble is, for all those who wish to send us all off on nazi hunting tangents, is that its ignoring the ongoing lebensraum in Palestine, which, given that this is what this thread is essentially about, is surely what we should perhaps be focusing on.

[Rory]

Slim - Searcher was actually making some headway in cutting through the bullshit, and then you come in with one of the crudest invocations of Godwin's Law.

This isn't about your long time personal spat with AD, about 'the juice' and their nefarious ways.

[American Dream]

You know what.

I really like to get into the flesh and bones of the Israeli/Palestinian deal, because when you get right down to it, we can argue the pro's an con's of racism associated with it till we're all blue in the face, which Im pretty sure is the intention of some posters.

The trouble is, for all those who wish to send us all off on nazi hunting tangents, is that its ignoring the ongoing lebensraum in Palestine, which, given that this is what this thread is essentially about, is surely what we should perhaps be focusing on.

Native American activist and author Winona LaDuke has something to say about this:


"We can’t talk about Israel because we are Israel"

…euro-americans in the United States can’t talk about Gaza, because we can’t talk about Israel. Because we can’t talk about the fact that the world is not suffering from a Israeli/Palestinian conflict, but that the world is suffering from the fact that Europe has never been able to deal with it’s ‘Jewish Question’ without some sort of intense barbarity and horror from the Inquisition to the Holocaust. And that Europe, in particular ‘Great’ Britain, the masters of divide an conquer ‘solved’ the problem by supporting the radical, terrorist, extremist Zionists and their mad plan to resettle the ‘homeland.’ We can’t talk about Israel because we can’t talk about Wounded Knee. Because we can’t talk about Sand Creek or Carlisle ‘Boarding School.’ Because we can’t talk about forced sterilization or small pox blankets or Kit Carson and his scorched earth policy in the Southwest. Because we have Andrew Jackson on our twenty dollar bill. Because we are one huge settlement on stolen land. We can’t talk about Israel because we are Israel.

[seemslikeadream]

we can't talk about Israel because they are watching .....always watching


someone please tell me what other ethic group has an organized attempt that watches the internet for anything negative about them and at a second's notice will reply

[Wombaticus Rex]

someone please tell me what other ethic group has an organized attempt that watches the internet for anything negative about them and at a second's notice will reply

North Koreans come to mind.

Also, for the sake of smirking irony. There's a number of sites/forums dedicated to the "cracker" ethnic group we don't even mention by name for this precise reason.

Still, though, both of these answers are hugely inadequate because they both take your premise for granted: that Jews = Israel, not to mention that IDF = Israel, and no good will come of that poisoned well.

[seemslikeadream]

who here is johnny on the spot when anything negative is said about North Korea


never ran across that in 12 years on the net


but I have seen folks try and run the reputations of posters that say anything negative about Israel

[American Dream]

Still, though, both of these answers are hugely inadequate because they both take your premise for granted: that Jews = Israel, not to mention that IDF = Israel, and no good will come of that poisoned well.

Right, let's not forget that the majority of zionists in the United States identify as "Christian", not "Jewish"...

[Wombaticus Rex]

who here is johnny on the spot when anything negative is said about North Korea


never ran across that in 12 years on the net

Well then here you go: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -3000.html

[seemslikeadream]

who here is johnny on the spot when anything negative is said about North Korea


never ran across that in 12 years on the net

Well then here you go: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -3000.html

sorry never seen a problem with negative postings about NK

no one being followed around the net because they speak negative of NK


but seen a whole lot of it at DU and many other places of the other


is there a NK watcher here?

[coffin_dodger]

As per Wombat's link:
"North Korea has put together a team of 3,000 cyber warriors as part of attempts to build support for the regime of leader Kim Jong-Un and destabilize its enemies, according to a South Korean think tank."

Comparing NK's cyber warfare capabilities to that of the Zionist lobby is akin to comparing a fart to a cat 5 hurricane. Laughable.

[seemslikeadream]

As per Wombat's link:
"North Korea has put together a team of 3,000 cyber warriors as part of attempts to build support for the regime of leader Kim Jong-Un and destabilize its enemies, according to a South Korean think tank."

Comparing NK's cyber warfare capabilities to that of the Zionist lobby is akin to comparing a fart to a cat 5 hurricane. Laughable.

there's 3,000 of the other watching DU alone

[Rory]

You won't be laughing when Korean Reverie starts stalking you

[Wombaticus Rex]

Well, glad nobody chose to focus on my actual point.

Yes, I do agree there is no comparing the size & scope of AIPAC's Octopus of Perpetual Outrage with North Korea's attempt at a cyber-patrol.

I don't agree that is the absurdity here.

Are the Jews "watching you" when you speak ill of Israel, SLAD? Or are some Jews and Christians watching you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_mistake