Mass Shooting in California

[82_28]

What does "MRA" mean?

[Hunter]

Any idea what his reddit handle was?

[Hunter]

What does "MRA" mean?

Mens Rights Movement, I call it MRM, or Mens Rights Activists MRA its just a mens rights movement, alpha males who hate women and think men should dominate them and society. They believe we have all become pussified and we need to become alpha males again. They basically teach that you should treat women like shit because that is what they like, if you treat them well they wont respect you. Treat them like shit and they will never leave you. Stupid crap like that.

[Hunter]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBvaVWdJRQM

[82_28]

Here's a bit of a wow as I went hunting for his reddit name. Read the body building guys call him out:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... =161988053

If this gets scrubbed I do have it live in a tab. There just is something that does not add up about this guy. He asserts shit and then backpedals in apology.

[Luther Blissett]

The Red Pill moderators started removing his posts before law enforcement even provided confirmation, indicative of Reddit's problems.

[82_28]

Here's his only "friend" on that body building forum.

http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/karljohnsontty/

[Hunter]

Here's a bit of a wow as I went hunting for his reddit name. Read the body building guys call him out:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... =161988053

If this gets scrubbed I do have it live in a tab. There just is something that does not add up about this guy. He asserts shit and then backpedals in apology.

Yea he is a typical fucking coward, a little pussy who talks a big game until you call him on it then he starts blabbering and apologizing. His behavior and what he did is very typical for this particular sort of asshole. He is human scum. I realize he was someone's son and he was likely sick but I think he was sound mind enough to know his thinking was wrong and he didnt seem to do anything about it but continue to feed that wrong thinking with more wrong thinking from others on those forums. Fuck him. I have a lot of compassion, I can forgive people of crimes and mistakes but there is a special place in hell for a person like this. I really try and understand that some people are sick and cant help themselves, I dont think this applies to him, he knew what he was doing and he has some sort of twisted self importance where he felt he was going to right all the wrongs and purify the world by doing this. Yea fuck him. Let him rot in hell or wherever the fuck he is.

[peartreed]

This mass murder is the latest evidence of modern media and marketing’s cynical celebration of superficiality, and its tragic impact on an immature audience. It almost personifies Hollywood hype.

The unrequited aspirations of the young adult in this case involved sex and romance expectations in accord with his significant material investment in his appearance, physique, clothes, car and pop culture status symbols. His solution to the resulting “unfair and unjust” social rejection was another mass media manifesto: murder.

What has been missing in the media and marketing message to the immature in our society is the most important element also missing from their education: the development of individual character. Implicit but absent in the healthy, critical inner growth of individual character are the deeper values we have lately lost in the cultural confusion.

Somewhere in the slick but thin and shallow surface of our contemporary society we have subsumed our better values, principles, spiritual inspirations, higher personal standards, charitable pursuits, empathy and kindness to one another as the simpler but most significant rewards for a satisfying life. Instead, material and sensual gratifications have become our idols and the measures of our success. And our most glorified gateway to getting our greedy goals is the all-too-easy grabbing of a gun.

Even the ultimate outcome is notoriety, fame, and probably a movie.

[Hunter]

The way I see it is one is either an alpha male or they are not an alpha male, you cannot make yourself an alpha male and there is nothing wrong with being an alpha male IF that is who you are naturally, the dangerous ones are the ones who are not alpha males but want to be so they try hard at it and become the sort of douchebags you see on these forums.


It is like everything else in life, if you really have skills you dont brag and talk about it, the ones who have no skills are the ones trying to go around and convince everyone else, and themselves, that they have them. They are the dangerous ones because they have identity problems, they dont know who or what they are and they are easily influenced and led astray by others in the same boat, the blind leading the blind. And when these douchetards fail at their little alpha male experiments they blame everyone else for it, instead of just embracing who they are and not trying to be something they arent, they set themselves up for failure and it is everyones fault but their own. You dont have to be an alpha male to get the ladies, plenty of them like the quiet, reserved thoughtful type guys. But one thing they do NOT like for sure, is a guy trying to be something he isnt, and that is why these assholes fail and then blame everyone else for it. Girls can see right through that sort of thing right away.

[Luther Blissett]

Glad to see a lot of commentary online saying "this is MRA ideology in action" rather than the ableist and dismissive "he was just a crazy person." Disabled people are far more likely to be the victim of violence than the perpetrators.

[ShinShinKid]

And perpetrators aren't labeled "disabled" until the commission of some heinous crime.

[jlaw172364]

A more accurate statement regarding the killer's motivation regarding MRA / PUA would be that he was enraged by the alleged confirmation of his own experiences that the theory provided; he had experiences that led him to believe that the world was a certain way, and then sought and found confirmation online by other people claiming to have similar experiences. Clearly the kid was spoiled rotten and had an enormous sense of entitlement. He expected to be a sex god by virtue of his birth and was furious that women weren't falling into his lap. He had a massive inferiority complex drawing from his diminuitive physical stature. Also, I'm sure regular women weren't enough for him; since his family was involved in Hollywood, he probably expected to have supermodel chasing after him. I skimmed through his manifesto and it was basically an exegesis of material privilege, but spiritual poverty. He got every trinket a kid could want: clothes, skateboards, video-games, vacations, expensive schooling, food, but absolutely no development of character. What struck me was the utter unreality of his existence: it read like a history of video-games he had played, movies he had seen, and vacations he had gone on. Note, it's interesting that this time around, nobody is framing it as "video-game" issue, even though, like lots of young men, he spent countless hours playing games where the player is rewarded for being a mass murderer. There was nothing in there about him or anyone else trying to transform him into a man.

As for the MRA / PUA angle, he was a member of site called PUAhate, which doesn't like guys who try to pick up women using any kind of tactics or strategy.
MRA is mostly about guys disgrunted over divorces and custody issues.
PUA is guys trying to pick up women with contrived tactics and strategies.
Redpill is guys trying to be alpha male studs.

Mass murder isn't really a plank in any of them. Don't know why people are trying to pretend it is.

[slomo]

Wow, I can't believe the disgusting slander. RI has become utterly devoid of any "rigor" since the last time I participated. I logged in after several years of nonparticipation just to counter the lies.

First of all, Luther, do you have a citation for the fact that the RedPill moderators have scrubbed the site? Or is this something you're making up because you can't actually produce a reddit username even though you were asked. The fact is that Rodgers belong to an anti-PUA site, one that was opposed to Men's Rights and RedPill thought. See this Forbe's article:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill ... ot-rodger/

Note that four days before this incident, RedPill members actually ridiculed Rodgers and made it clear that his vibe was decidedly not one that was consistent with their ideology:

http://redditlog.com/snapshots/622029

In my three years of browsing r/mensrights and related blogs, the most consistent topics I've seen concern fairness in divorce proceedings and due process in adjudication of sexual assault cases on university campuses. There are occasional bitter rantings from guys who feel they have been screwed over in the family courts or cheated on by wives and girlfriends; with all the fucked up whining and petty in-fighting that happens on RI, you would think you would understand online venting and seeking of emotional support.

You're surprised men need/want emotional support from other men? The fact is that men have inner emotional lives, contrary to what all the BS "check your privilege" assholes would have you believe. Numerous forces in our society prevent men as being seen as anything other than providers or knights-in-shining-armor, and a nonnegligible fraction of men in this society are failing to get the emotional support they need. They are certainly failing to get it from the women in their lives.

If you actually want to see what is posted in r/MensRights, why don't you actually read what's there, it's only a mouse-click away:

http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/

You may disagree with the content, but it's hardly a hotbed of men plotting mass murder. And, no, the content has not been scrubbed, it's the same shit that's always been posted there, warts and all. If you disagree with the politics of men's rights, fine. Fight it with facts. But smearing it with transparent disinformation is a low, disgusting tactic, and lends credence to the idea that the anti-mens-rights crowd supports and encourages false accusations. I'm looking at you, Luther.

[slomo]

jlaw172364, thanks, your post is the first reasonably accurate characterization of the MRM, PUA, and TRP I've seen in this whole sorry thread.