The Church of Mateen Dunnit: A Challenge to the Faithful

[stickdog99]

I'm not sure what to make of this one.

[Novem5er]

Can anybody confirm that the shooter was actually wearing pants?

I don't see any witnesses attesting to the fact that he was. Maybe this is an oversight of our modern "journalism" or maybe the shooter really wasn't wearing any. Until I see some sort of confirmation, I'm going on the assumption that there were NO pants. Seriously, something this simple should be easy to confirm; eye witnesses, video footage, something!

[Burnt Hill]

YouTube title: "Witness saw gunman smile". No. That's not what she says. She says she heard him laugh. We still don't even know if the shooter was masked.

Credit to the interviewer who actually asked her if she saw the gunman, and "What did he look like?". But here's all she offers as a description (or at least it's all the editor gives us of that description):

"He was a messed up guy with a lot of problems. Just a regular Hispanic guy."

Omar Mateen was not Hispanic. And in any case, "a messed up guy with a lot of problems" is not a physical or facial description of anyone.

We know eyewitnesses are notoriously poor at details.
Has anyone said they did see a masked shooter?

[MacCruiskeen]

Has anyone said they did see a masked shooter?

Not to my knowledge, or at least not so far. But nor has any witness that I know of explicitly said that he wasn't.

(The three named cops/guards who had those two "close-range shootouts" with the perp shorty after 2:00 a.m. could easily answer this question, and others. If they were allowed to.)

[stickdog99]

There is something very strange about the more in depth witness interviews.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... rifle.html

He was laughing fanatically as he sprayed people with the gun,' Casiano told her. 'He was going "ha, ha, ha" as he shot them.'

She told DailyMail.com: 'He survived. He was in the bathroom stall with 30 other people. Those other 30 people are deceased.

'God was definitely with Norman on this day, his 26th birthday.

'He cannot understand how he got out. He had to crawl over the bodies of his best female friend and his male friend to get to safety.'

When he emerged - through the same hole in the wall which Mateen was then to crawl through and die in a hail of gunfire - he was confronted by armed police.

'He said, 'I'm not the shooter, I'm a victim, I'm a victim' and he put his hands up in the air and then they went to him,' Ventura said.

The hole in the wall was crawled through later by Mateen himself as he tried to escape, leaving four or five hostages in it, police said.

What?

[brekin]

Errata:

The eyewitness knew the guy looked Hispanic (and Mateen could pass for Hispanic if someone didn't know anything about him other than physically looking at him judging from photos) because he wasn't wearing a mask. And since it was a Latin themed night, with a lot of Hispanic looking attendees that would be an easy mistake to make. Where did the the mask angle get inserted? I think right here on R.I. We also don't know if he was wearing one black isotoner glove, do we?

The club sounds like it was big, and divided, people initially thought gun shots were fire crackers or part of the festivities. Mateen exchanging shots with a cop or cops at the door doesn't preclude most people partying elsewhere from really knowing what was going on.

Other reports say they saw the shooter shooting both guns at once, hence the sound of two guns firing at the same time. Although two survivors are pretty adamant about their being multiple shooters, one guy next to Mateen holding the door, etc.

Quite a few survivors didn't see the shooter because once people realized they ducked and covered or were running. Also, one report I heard was that the music was cut and I imagine some people would be able to hear what Mateen was saying on his rampage due to proximity and depending on his volume, especially, sadly, after he had shot many people and most people were lying on the ground and he was walking around.

[MacCruiskeen]

I'm not sure what to make of this one.

Says she saw him but never once describes him. Or else (much more likely) that description has been edited out. (This interview too has been cut several times, and whatever questions they asked her have also been edited out.)

So. still no description, not even the vaguest.

Onwards.

[stickdog99]

This guy told the local reporter he was shot 4 times, but showed him two wounds.

Now he was shot twice?

[Burnt Hill]

I'm not sure what to make of this one.

Says she saw him but never once describes him. Or else (much more likely) that description has been edited out. (This interview too has been cut several times, and whatever questions they asked her have also been edited out.)

So. still no description, not even the vaguest.

Onwards.

Not true. There are plenty of witnesses that describe a shooter, with various amounts of small details. Which would be expected in such a traumatic event. No one saw a mask, and no one has said Mateen was misidentified. There are quite a few Orlando local news sources to explore, and I haven't found anything compelling me to believe Mateen was an innocent man. I cant quite get with every news source being complicit in some sort of cover-up.

[MacCruiskeen]

This guy told the local reporter he was shot 4 times, but showed him two wounds.

Now he was shot twice?

4:08. Witness says he shouted to the gunman from behind the bathroom door: "Please, stop doing this. We haven't seen your face, we don't know who you are."

So, still no description of the shooter(s) from any eyewitness so far.

[Burnt Hill]

This guy told the local reporter he was shot 4 times, but showed him two wounds.

Now he was shot twice?

Yea we covered Angel Colon already. He was shot in the leg a couple of times in the initial melee and was shot at again later as he was laying on the ground. Not sure of total shots but back of leg took a couple, hip, and hand with minor wound.
* Sorry, should watched video first, not him.

[MacCruiskeen]

Cross-posted because highly relevant:

"Asked about security footage at a briefing earlier, Orlando Police Chief John Mina said it was uncertain as to whether it existed or what it showed."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the ... spiracies/

The lying is shameless and the cover-up is blatant. Who is in those videos, what did the shooter(s) look like, and how many of the victims were shot by cops?

Remember: Police audio recordings have already been heavily censored. Why? "So as not to give publicity to ISIS propaganda"...

-- Omar Mateen was framed. Either completely uninvolved or else entrapped and set up.

[MacCruiskeen]

Victims insist Orlando gunman did NOT act alone ("I saw a white male.")

[Nordic]

I'm not sure what to make of this one.

Says she saw him but never once describes him. Or else (much more likely) that description has been edited out. (This interview too has been cut several times, and whatever questions they asked her have also been edited out.)

So. still no description, not even the vaguest.

Onwards.

Not true. There are plenty of witnesses that describe a shooter, with various amounts of small details. Which would be expected in such a traumatic event. No one saw a mask, and no one has said Mateen was misidentified. There are quite a few Orlando local news sources to explore, and I haven't found anything compelling me to believe Mateen was an innocent man. I cant quite get with every news source being complicit in some sort of cover-up.

Not ALL complicit. But they all do certainly just repeat whatever the "authorities" tell them. There's no real journalism any more. Just presstitutes.

[82_28]

Neither here nor there, but having many Mexican friends I know having the surname of Casiano and Colon are both embarrassing because they feel it refers to the anus. No seriously. I don't know how this would even fit in as anything worth note. Just something I noticed, given it was a gay club and those two stories above included both names. Just an observation that more than likely means absolutely nothing. Disregard or regard. Nothing to this comment other than that.