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Re: We have at last reached the "war on degenerate art" phas

Postby PufPuf93 » Mon Nov 07, 2016 4:43 am

dada » Mon Nov 07, 2016 1:10 am wrote:
JackRiddler » Mon Nov 07, 2016 2:12 am wrote:
I think all this is true. Except for the part about not caring about the dopey trolls. They are everywhere and they need to be confronted, or they monopolize opinion. I remember in the 1980s when so many people were seriously afraid to say something outside the right-wing consensus, and it was all them censoring themselves. That much has fucking improved.

I also think the works in question are pretty damn impressive. Not that I approve their commodification in particular. (Artists and everyone else should be paid according to their need, right?)

I wish Willow would comment here.

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So here. I close my eyes, reset. Open. The flux of human events has thrown Biljana's paintings in front of my eyes. And I'm trained to make aesthetic value judgement. I contemplate it. Yes, artist has her own unique talent. Style I see, okay. I think of Darger for some reason. Thoughts wander. Darger, protector of children. He lives his life as janitor at a hospital, creates thousands of pages of colorful collage art sci fi stories, all hidden away in his room. Everyone probably knows this story. When he dies, landlord discovers the art. Now sells for hundreds of thousands of dollars, and his style is trendy cool. On his tombstone in the poor person part of the cemetery it says, "Henry Darger, protector of children."

It hurts, life sucks, right. I feel kind of guilty for thinking about Henry when I'm supposed to be contemplating Biljana. I notice the patterns on the walls in her paintings. They catch my eye.

That's my review. Sorry it doesn't feed the art world game. Just sick of playing it.

Yes, everyone should be paid according to their need. Even artists? well... sure, okay. Why not.

We could discuss troll-fighting strategies.

The trolls, you see, are beyond hope. I think engaging with those whose 'opinions are monopolized ' is more important. Free more of those people's opinions.

The problem, as always, always always always, is the fucking press. And what do we do about that. I don't know.


The Henry Danger story and his art is amazing.

http://www.officialhenrydarger.com/about/
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Re: We have at last reached the "war on degenerate art" phas

Postby MacCruiskeen » Mon Nov 07, 2016 4:48 am

dada wrote:The problem, as always, always always always, is the fucking press. And what do we do about that. I don't know.


Media strike. Globally. "Just Say No" to all news media, including and especially the TV, and [cue drumroll] ... even the Internet.

I'm not saying it'll work, certainly not quickly. Everyone will laugh if you suggest it and then get very angry and defensive if you say you're serious. Addiction does that to people. But addictions have been broken, even mass addictions.

brekin » Sun Nov 06, 2016 11:08 pm

The leviathan that killed the dream of the 90's.
The internet, the 90's version of copious bad acid.

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Maybe it's more like copious cheap gin.

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PS Henry Darger and Biljana Đurđević... yes, thanks for that. And btw, the one thing that leapt out at me from that brief interview excerpt* is that she says she never turns off the TV.

*I only read the little bit posted here, didn't follow the link.
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Re: We have at last reached the "war on degenerate art" phas

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Mon Nov 07, 2016 5:16 am

PufPuf93 » 07 Nov 2016 18:43 wrote:
The Henry Danger story and his art is amazing.

http://www.officialhenrydarger.com/about/


The heroine of his story used to post here.
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Re: We have at last reached the "war on degenerate art" phas

Postby MacCruiskeen » Mon Nov 07, 2016 5:28 am

annie aronburg, of fond memory. Just one of the many women I miss around here.
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Re: We have at last reached the "war on degenerate art" phas

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Mon Nov 07, 2016 5:31 am

MacCruiskeen » 07 Nov 2016 15:45 wrote:Sorry to go off-topic, but I keep wondering how much money Podesta paid for an original sculpture by Louise Bourgeois, which he demonstrably owns, and for the house he keeps it in. And exactly what he did to "earn" that money.

Hey, how about a "war on degenerate wealth"?


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PS Henry Darger and Biljana Đurđević... yes, thanks for that. And btw, the one thing that leapt out at me from that brief interview excerpt* is that she says she never turns off the TV.


That stuck out to me too.

But people like to have the radio on all the time as well.

I guess it* staves off that existential loneliness.


*voices and movement
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Re: We have at last reached the "war on degenerate art" phas

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Mon Nov 07, 2016 5:37 am

Yeah.

Annie.

I think of her as a real mate. Hope she's doing good.

And there are a few I miss, tho I'm rarely here myself these days.
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Re: We have at last reached the "war on degenerate art" phas

Postby MacCruiskeen » Mon Nov 07, 2016 5:40 am

Isn't it amazing that people lived in the outback* for tens of thousands of years without the constant accompaniment of manufactured visual and auditory shite? A world of silence, and sounds.

*and everywhere else.

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Re: We have at last reached the "war on degenerate art" phas

Postby JackRiddler » Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:01 am

MacCruiskeen » Mon Nov 07, 2016 12:55 am wrote:
JackRiddler wrote:Exactly. But then you blow it.

moi wrote:PS For the record, I think Marina Abramovic is one very crafty gobshite. (She knows her audience, I'll grant her that.)


Biljana Đurđević


No, Jack, I'm not confusing the two.

(I AM WINNAR. :happybanana: )


True enough, Abramovic is relevant. You win! I forgot the "spirit cooking" thing 3 minutes after being bothered to read it, the hysteria about it was so stupid. I blame thread confusion.

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Re: We have at last reached the "war on degenerate art" phas

Postby divideandconquer » Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:28 am

Actually, today, I think many most people were are seriously afraid to say something outside the left-wing consensus.

“There's a grosser irony about Politically Correct English. This is that PCE purports to be the dialect of progressive reform but is in fact - in its Orwellian substitution of the euphemisms of social equality for social equality itself - of vastly more help to conservatives and the US status quo than traditional SNOOT prescriptions ever were.”― David Foster Wallace, Consider the Lobster and Other Essays


As for art, dada nails it, however, the culture creators/shapers can and do use "art" in its many forms to demoralize, to cultivate and normalize depravity, degeneracy, perversion. Mindless and meaningless vulgarity is the new norm.
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Re: We have at last reached the "war on degenerate art" phas

Postby JackRiddler » Mon Nov 07, 2016 1:38 pm

divideandconquer » Mon Nov 07, 2016 9:28 am wrote:Actually, today, I think many most people were are seriously afraid to say something outside the left-wing consensus.

“There's a grosser irony about Politically Correct English. This is that PCE purports to be the dialect of progressive reform but is in fact - in its Orwellian substitution of the euphemisms of social equality for social equality itself - of vastly more help to conservatives and the US status quo than traditional SNOOT prescriptions ever were.”― David Foster Wallace, Consider the Lobster and Other Essays


As for art, dada nails it, however, the culture creators/shapers can and do use "art" in its many forms to demoralize, to cultivate and normalize depravity, degeneracy, perversion. Mindless and meaningless vulgarity is the new norm.


Yeah, yeah, this kind of whining by a member of a conservative and easily frightened majority goes back to the Counter-Enlightenment, at least. Dear god, they're making it so I can't defame anyone! Halp!

You want to see the main breeding grounds of your degeneracy, o spooked white men of the Anglosphere? Before you complain about Anais Nin 3.0, why not have a look first at your churches? Your church schools. Your bishops. Your sick preachers. Your monotheist scriptures. Your old masculine traditions. Your bullies. Your beatings of the sissies. Your football training. Your glorification of killers. Your hatred of women, and the feminine. Your insistence on masculine and feminine.

The porn that is advertising just sidles up to that and gives you what your conditioning has told you is forbidden fruit.

Pornography is the flip side to puritanism.

Your supposed "PC left" is largely a product of fear, too. Antiwar activists used to have the guts to call soldiers killers and get in the way of recruitment. Now it's like, oh protect our multi-cultural men and women in arms who are only sacrificing to serve us! Bought right into "do you support the troops," as if it means anything.

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Re: We have at last reached the "war on degenerate art" phas

Postby divideandconquer » Mon Nov 07, 2016 2:33 pm

From guruilla's blog

Urm. But, hey, it’s just art, right? Wrong again. Culture and crime are contextually interwoven in ways the average person can only have nightmares about, and then forget.

Fourth Base followed up a few hours later with some more brain-twisting & stomach churning connections:

Trigger warning, again.

(Body of Dahmer victim shown, you’ll see why.)

Picture that grin.

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All this is about context. This ^^^ is the culture in which these individuals move. So when there are suggestions of involvement in child trafficking and sexual abuse and blood rituals, all of this art and cooking and stuff becomes as relevant as Patrick Bateman’s doodles at work would be in his murder trial–if one ever happened. Was it all in his imagination (just art, right, Brett?) It might seem so until people start showing up dead; kind of like they do around the Clintons. Hmmm. But anyway, best not to think about that. . .

Fourth Base again:

But that’s not the kicker there, of course.

The Podestas’interest in Katy Grannan photos is.

The ones of the naked teenagers, he means. No images online that I could find here. I guess maybe that’s because they’re illegal? Art and crime, oh yeah, it’s a continuum. I went and forgot again.

At this point, ladies & gentlemen of the jury, we have motive, means, and opportunity. But yeah, it’s all circumstantial, don’t worry about it. It’s all a ploy to get you not to vote against THE MONSTER. To suppress the Shadow, no matter the cost. Fear of fascism ensures the emergence of fascism. Or something worse than…

As I said, my interest here isn’t in discouraging anyone from voting for Hillary. Those people (they do not read my blog) who are so deeply paralyzed by the (carefully orchestrated to be) terrifying specter of Donald Trump looming on their democratic horizon, they are going to vote for Hillary NO MATTER WHAT. And anyway, as my readers and listeners already know, I don’t believe (and never have believed) that votes have anything to do with who is going to be the next president, or that who is the next president has anything to do with what sort of changes are coming, to the US and the world: the neoliberal lockstep: or what I once (at age 20) called the designer fascists. Well folks, here they come.

No, my interest is rather in drawing people’s attention to the masterful and macabre underpinnings of the World Sorcery Theater, in the hope that our attention might move, however minutely and slowly, away from the sleazy spectacle out there, and back to the far-from-cathartic responses being triggered within the nervous system of each and every one of us (at least insofar as we are socialized humans, subject to our perceptions being managed, even when we aren’t looking at the stage). Because, yes, much as it pains me to say it, and to know it, we are all in this together.

The thing is, whether I believe the theater of accusations of Satanic parties, or whether I believe the theater of mockery and denials, either way I feel like I am being duped. Why? Because the information is being disseminated as part of a conscious strategy on the part of masters of perception, and these masters know exactly how to prevent the truth from setting us free, how to use the truth as a weapon against us.

James Shelby Downard talked about the revelation of the method. It’s been a while since I read (or gave much thought to) Downard’s ideas, but I recently summed up the ROM to a fellow writer, as follows: One way to shut down people’s consciousness is to awaken in it in such a way that there will be a corresponding reaction against what’s revealed, so consciousness shuts down even more tightly than before the revelation.

This is something to be aware of. The social engineers and perception managers–the designer fascists–are like master chess players playing against opponents (us) who they have taught to play, and who they have caused to forget we were ever taught these moves. They have taught us specific moves that will ensure we always undermine our own efforts to succeed (that we never allow the truth to free us), each and every time we use these methods. So our perception managers know every move which we–their amnesiac students and now “opponents”–will make; and they know exactly what move to play in order to illicit a given reaction from us. To them, it is child’s play to herd us into the beliefs, values, perceptions and behaviors that will further extend their control over us. To them that have, will be given still more; to them that have not, even the little we have will be taken from us.

The only move our perception managers cannot counter is a movement away from the board; because of course, the game is only a distraction designed to keep us focused on their moves in such a way that we will never see what they are actually doing. They create our reality; and by the time we are beginning to understand it, they have already prepared a whole new layer to lure us into, even as we are reacting to the old one. And so it goes, interminably deeper into the dream-nightmare of history.

This ain’t no party. It’s indefinitely sustained liminality in which the ceremony masters are leading us deeper and deeper into confusion, pain, and endless despair. And yet. There’s only one way they can continue to lead us, only one way, and that’s by holding our attention. The moment we withdraw our attention, they have nothing at all. They have gone from chess masters to lonely solitaire masturbaters.
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Re: We have at last reached the "war on degenerate art" phas

Postby Jerky » Mon Nov 07, 2016 8:02 pm

Guru may be clever, but he disappeared down his own self-admittedly autistic bellybutton a long time ago.

He's a wannabe Secret Sun, or Visup, but with far too much trembling and Righteous Culture Warrior posturing to be worth the hours it takes to parse all that logorrheic verbiage.

Just my 2 cents, anyway.

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Re: We have at last reached the "war on degenerate art" phas

Postby KUAN » Mon Nov 07, 2016 9:58 pm

logorrheic verbiage


Amen for most of what's ever been written anywhere in the history of the world

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Re: We have at last reached the "war on degenerate art" phas

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Tue Nov 08, 2016 7:00 am

MacCruiskeen » 07 Nov 2016 19:40 wrote:Isn't it amazing that people lived in the outback* for tens of thousands of years without the constant accompaniment of manufactured visual and auditory shite? A world of silence, and sounds.

*and everywhere else.

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It is amazing that they managed to live in some of those places. Some of it is so harsh. Its a beautiful thing tho.

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