Wild theory about Santa Rosa wildfires

[stickdog99]

https://www.trbimg.com/img-59de8deb/tur ... 0/1150x647

Now, how did this fire basically leave nothing behind other than the bushes and trees?

[stickdog99]

https://google.org/crisismap/google.com/2017-tubbs-fire

[stickdog99]

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-m ... story.html

lock after block of tidy housing tracts reduced to heaps of ash. Death counts in the double digits. Homeowners numbly poking through the ruins of domestic life.

California has seen this before.

But the harrowing images of loss and destruction usually come out of the south.

“These kinds of fires and the losses are very uncharacteristic of that part of the world,” University of California fire specialist Max Moritz said of the firestorm that ignited in Northern California last week, killing dozens of people and torching thousands of homes.



“It has all the signatures of a massive, Southern California Santa Ana wind event,” he said.

Driven by hot, dry winds blowing a sustained 50 mph, the Tubbs fire — one of the most destructive of the wine country blazes — chewed across a small mountain range in a few hours on the night of Oct. 8 and roared into northeastern Santa Rosa.

Local officials estimate the city of 177,000 lost nearly 3,000 homes, or roughly 5% of its housing stock. Even big-box stores and a Hilton hotel next to Highway 101 went up in flames.

“It hit the city like a bull’s-eye,” said Scott Stephens, a UC Berkeley professor of fire science. “[That] is probably the place that surprises us the most — it burned so many houses in the urban area.”

[PufPuf93]

https://www.trbimg.com/img-59de8deb/tur ... 0/1150x647

Now, how did this fire basically leave nothing behind other than the bushes and trees?

I explained this on the last page. Also explained the burning interior of trees. You do not have very good arguments. There is no need to do "directed energy weapons" for this out come.

The green wood in the trees is of high moisture and there were not the fuel ladders to get fire into the crowns so they remain green and show as green on immediate infrared. Some may well live but many of not most are going to die because of cambium being killed by the heat and the trees being effectively girdled.

The intensity of the fires can be explained and also there was a "perfect storm" of weather and fuels. I can see that arson, even organized arson, could be an issue. I have been surprised that arson is not used more as a tool of terrorism.

[stickdog99]

cars have gas tanks....some houses have propane tanks

Also homes may have shake or asphalt shingles and once ignited a house likely burns hotter than a forest. Green wood in trees is 45% to 55% water while the lumber and other wood in a house is only 12% or so water. Plus there arte all sorts of other hot fuels in houses and other development. This is why forest fires leave standing trees even if they are all killed. Many are often still of quality to be used for lumber after dying in fires. Fire salvage is a controversial issue.

Most of the house and building fire started from the roof or some other instance of exposed wood or other material that readily burns hot.

The pictures are horrific and look to me like all out war. Fire bombing was used by the allies in WWII, think Dresden and Tokyo.

The Japanese set loose balloons to set forest fires along the Pacific coast. One of these balloons managed to kill and elementary school teacher and part of her class north of Klamath Falls, OR far from the Pacific. My Mother during WWII spent time in a fire lookout that looked down on the Pacific coast to watch for the balloons and other Japanese excursions.

It will be interesting to hear the results of the fire investigations. PG&E is already getting blame. I will find it hard to believe that there were not arson starts but they may be hard to identify. There is going to be more of this in California given climate change and increased urbanization, especially into lands that will be at increased risk for fire.

So why aren't they called "urban fires" considering how flammable houses and cars are compared to vegetation?

[Blue]

https://www.trbimg.com/img-59de8deb/tur ... 0/1150x647

Now, how did this fire basically leave nothing behind other than the bushes and trees?

I explained this on the last page. Also explained the burning interior of trees. You do not have very good arguments. There is no need to do "directed energy weapons" for this out come.

The green wood in the trees is of high moisture and there were not the fuel ladders to get fire into the crowns so they remain green and show as green on immediate infrared. Some may well live but many of not most are going to die because of cambium being killed by the heat and the trees being effectively girdled.

The intensity of the fires can be explained and also there was a "perfect storm" of weather and fuels. I can see that arson, even organized arson, could be an issue. I have been surprised that arson is not used more as a tool of terrorism.

Thanks for that explanation, Puf. I'm so sorry that stick thinks I'm an enemy because I see our world on fire due to global warming affects rather than the CIA/FBI/WHODAFUCKEVA

[seemslikeadream]

So why aren't they called "urban fires" considering how flammable houses and cars are compared to vegetation?

cause the forest/trees were there first

and Smokey the Bear would have to take new poster pictures

[stickdog99]

https://www.trbimg.com/img-59de8deb/tur ... 0/1150x647

Now, how did this fire basically leave nothing behind other than the bushes and trees?

I explained this on the last page. Also explained the burning interior of trees. You do not have very good arguments. There is no need to do "directed energy weapons" for this out come.

The green wood in the trees is of high moisture and there were not the fuel ladders to get fire into the crowns so they remain green and show as green on immediate infrared. Some may well live but many of not most are going to die because of cambium being killed by the heat and the trees being effectively girdled.

The intensity of the fires can be explained and also there was a "perfect storm" of weather and fuels. I can see that arson, even organized arson, could be an issue. I have been surprised that arson is not used more as a tool of terrorism.

OK, thanks for the commentary.

I called DEWs a wild theory for a reason. My take is that there are now at least 17 different fires supposedly of 17 different origins. It's the worst its ever been in NoCal recorded history. Fires don't just start themselves. Nor does "global warming" start them. The PG&E "source" said multiple transformers exploded. Why?

[stickdog99]

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[seemslikeadream]

wow take a look at the history of Smokey the Bear...maybe it was the Russians



https://smokeybear.com/en/smokeys-history?decade=1940

[stickdog99]

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[PufPuf93]

Not to pick on you Stickdog, but are you serious?

I too think that the many fires that originated in 24 hours is suspicious, partially because I had already thought of how wild fire could be a tool for terrorism.

[PufPuf93]

Trees Burning from the Inside. Repent Sign from God

Actual title from youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUCzVJNgm10

[DrEvil]

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/10/12/california-fires-pge-power-lines-fell-in-winds-that-werent-hurricane-strength/

The heavy winds that downed power lines Sunday night at the start of the deadly wildfires raging across Northern California were far from “hurricane strength,” as PG&E has claimed, according to a review of weather station readings.

However, wind speeds were only about half that level, as the lines started to come down, the weather station records show. At a weather station in north Santa Rosa where the Tubbs fire started, the peak wind gusts at 9:29 p.m. hit 30 mph. An hour later, they were 41 mph.

Click on link to see nice graphic. This was not a "perfectly normal" event, as Dr. Evil would have you believe.

Good thing I never said that then.

But, since you're already putting words in my mouth, wildfires actually are perfectly normal in California. They happen all the damn time. Houses burn all the time, and people often die, just not as many as this time.

I'm all aboard with the possibility of this being started intentionally, but I'm very skeptical of the idea of directed energy weapons when you can get equally good results with some matches and kindling, or just hide small incendiary devices on a timer in the undergrowth. Sure, you could drag a big laser around, coupled to a truck full of supercapacitors, but it wouldn't exactly be discreet.

Also: the houses look like they burned down. How can you tell if the fire started inside or outside? The end result is a pile of ashes either way.