Empty A&E depts in Dublin, Berlin etc. Post films here.

[Sounder]

No that was not a snark at you.

[alloneword]

while the official count of fatalities might not be high, due to lack of testing, suppression of numbers and indirect deaths...

(On a per-capita basis, second only to Italy)

A lot of people sure are going out of their way to stir up the chaos by saying things like "oh, they're counting regular old people deaths as covid deaths in order to inflate the numbers and scare us" when all evidence leads to the exact opposite conclusion.

A lot of very well qualified people are going out of their way to try to calm the hysteria surrounding Covid-19 by encouraging people such as yourself to view the available evidence in perspective, particularly in relation to 'normal' seasonal fluctuations in mortality rates, etc. This isn't 'stirring up the chaos'. It's the exact opposite.

When you say that "all evidence leads to the exact opposite conclusion", can you explain exactly what you mean by this? I'm genuinely interested.

[Heaven Swan]

Serious proposal—Why don’t we all make one or more visits to the emergency rooms of local hospitals and report back on what we find. We both live in NYC Jack, right? I already went to Columbia Hospital on Broadway in Inwood, next I’ll go to Montefiore. You can go to some other one (or more).

Fear porn about New York showing bodies being loaded into long refrigerator trucks and the like is being broadcast all over the world in sensationalistic news shows. Let’s go see for ourselves and report back. We all live close to a hospital in some city someplace in the world. Let’s be proactive.

That way we can see with our own eyes and share what we find. I’d like to know what’s really going on.

On TV and in newspapers the constant drumbeat seems to be about equipment—PPE’s, masks, ventililors—constant talk about equipment for a tide of serious cases that is sure to come.

Looking forward to hearing some news!

Really bad idea on so many levels. Why would you want everyone to flood the hospitals that are already stressed and overwhelmed right now, if not from covid patients yet, but from preparing for them? Do you think the doctors, nurses and staff will appreciate that? Why would you willingly expose yourself by going into a hospital at all right now (unless absolutely necessary)? Even in relatively good times they are full of pathogens run rampant. Thousands die every year from superbugs like c-diff which killed my 64 year old healthy relative in December. Have you been tested? How do you know you aren't an asymptomatic carrier?

And why do you think it's cool to film and violate people's privacy while they're in the hospital?

BOLDING MINE

Point # 1) I didn’t propose to go in and film, just to walk into the entrance to the emergency room, look at what’s going on and report back. Once inside, we can ask a question about testing and leave, disturbing no one. Now, if the entrance is choked with lines of people there’s no need to go in, we can come back to report that.

2) This is not “flooding the hospitals.” When I went into Columbia Hospital (ER entrance) there were only 3 people in a large waiting room + a table manned by a woman wearing a clear visor there to field questions.

3) I’m not worried about exposing myself. I’m steeped in knowledge of natural medicine and am not a believer in the germ/contagion theory. And it is a theory. The population has been indoctrinated by 100+ years of propaganda by the medical cartel (see James Corbett’s excellent doc “Rockefeller Medicine” for some history) to believe this simplistic theory which helps them sell their wares (medicines). If you believe in this theory (most do) you can wear a mask and stay distanced from people when you go into the hospital.

4) An aside and to answer your question about testing and being an asymptomatic carrier— I suspect I already had CV in December when I got a nasty cold (no fever though). The cold symptoms lasted a good week but the cough hung on for a month and a half+ which is different from the usual cold I get 1-2 times a year. And BTW I welcome my 1-2 colds a year since, according to natural medicine, they serve as a cleanse to rid the body of excess mucus and waste that has built up. Bacteria and virus are seen to be inherent in the body and kicked out by cells to serve as clean-up crews.

5) Again, I’m not suggesting we film. Are there among us are some brave (and less indoctrinated?) souls who will venture into a local hospital ER entrance to see if what’s going on corresponds to media reports? Clearly though, if you do find lines and chaos, there’s no need to go further—that’s information enough.

Jack already pointed out the obvious things like ambulances don't take people into the lobby so the lobbies are empty. People are not having elective surgeries. Nobody can visit people at the hospitals. Everyone is told to not go there unless you are extremely sick or injured.

6) I’m not talking about lobbiies.

How is it sensationalistic by showing the actual refrigeration trucks they're using? Should they hide them with tarps or paint Elsie the Cow on the outside of the trucks? Funeral homes in NYC are running out of air conditioned rooms for the quadruple amount of bodies they're receiving, begging hospitals to keep them longer.

7) I do think that it would be relevant if we find the trucks to be empty with no refrigeration unit attached ,for example. But I don’t know for sure either, but would really like to find out.

Common sense has left the room.

[Sounder]

Blue wrote....

So while the official count of fatalities might not be high, due to lack of testing, suppression of numbers and indirect deaths: marginally unhealthy people being pushed into chronic situations, does that mean it's all a hoax?

Uhh no, and what hoax are you referring to?

Your 'due to' reasons are not robust.

Lack of testing would help spread and raise numbers, especially if this virus is 'a thousand times more infective' than SARS as at least one wonk has been heard to say. China probably suppressed numbers, but the West is not suppressing numbers, hell we are being scared with numbers every day now. The, as you call them 'indirect deaths' are a shame of this debacle, but again, raises the numbers rather than lowering them.

The 'indirect deaths' are a result of the hysterical decisions to pump people up with toxic anti-viral medications for patients that were already immune-compromised by pollution, lack of proper nutrition and previous poisonous drugs given to 'combat' some unpleasant set of symptoms.

Blue, I also am most concerned for the elderly and health compromised folk. Hopefully during this time of introspection more folk will learn about what it takes to be healthy (in an unhealthy world.)

And no; Dr. Evil. I do not advocate for the eating of Cow dung.

[alloneword]

Re: Visiting hospitals...

They just jailed a guy in the UK for doing just that:

02 April 2020|News

A man who wandered around his local hospital to see the impact of coronavirus, and posted about his visit on Facebook, was sentenced to three months in prison today following a CPS Thames and Chiltern prosecution.

Kierran Stevenson, 32, was captured on CCTV at Stoke Mandeville Hospital on 30 March, after posting on social media that he was going to go walk around the hospital to see the extent of the coronavirus pandemic for himself.

He posted photos on Facebook of himself at the hospital and images of hospital corridors, and commented that staff were not taking safety measures seriously.

Stevenson pleaded guilty to causing a public nuisance and contravening requirement as to restriction of movement during emergency period - coronavirus at Oxford Magistrates’ Court today and was given a 12-week prison sentence. He was also ordered to pay £300 compensation to the hospital trust.

https://www.cps.gov.uk/thames-and-chilt ... rus-jailed

[Blue]

Serious proposal—Why don’t we all make one or more visits to the emergency rooms of local hospitals and report back on what we find.
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Point # 1) I didn’t propose to go in and film, just to walk into the entrance to the emergency room, look at what’s going on and report back. Once inside, we can ask a question about testing and leave, disturbing no one. Now, if the entrance is choked with lines of people there’s no need to go in, we can come back to report that.

2) This is not “flooding the hospitals.” When I went into Columbia Hospital (ER entrance) there were only 3 people in a large waiting room + a table manned by a woman wearing a clear visor there to field questions.

The Subject line/title of this thread says Post films here. So I assumed you were including that aspect. "We all" and "one or more visits" sounds like an attempt to flood the hospitals as this is already a "thing" on the internet.

Do you really think all ER's and hospitals reporting large numbers of covid cases around the world are lying? Why would you expect to see lines and chaos outside the hospital? And no, people off the street should not have access to what's going on in the emergency room or any core hospital care wings where people are working to save lives. During pandemics or no pandemics. It's irresponsible that you are encouraging people to wander around hospitals. Sounds exactly like the Pizzagate shit. Someone is going to bring a gun to the party any day now. Oh wait, he did, he brought a train to the USNS Mercy hospital in LA.

https://www.latimes.com/california/stor ... ist-groups

I'm not indoctrinated into any belief, don't support most aspects of synthetic drug based medicine and consider Bayer to be the face of evil on earth, but yeah, I do understand contagions and germs. Science, ya know, not my belief.

[liminalOyster]

Some of us have family members -- people we fucking love -- who work in ICUs and ERs. True, I haven't asked them to share with me any gore-porn of what they're contending with. But I sure as fuck have spoken with them by phone and heard their fucking exhaustion and fear and a few have sent me photos of their (thankfully very very good) PPE etc as they head into battle. This idea of fucking investigating if it's all a big lie is just perverse af.

[Heaven Swan]

Thanks for your clarifications Blue.

I’m sad though. One of the main things this site used to be about was exposing abuses of power. I guess in the grand scheme of things this site isn’t very important but to witness world society drifting into a medical tyranny with a Stasi-like climate of citizens informing on each other is beyond troubling.

[DrEvil]

You're not going to expose any abuses of power by wandering around the ER. All you will achieve is pissing off hospital workers who probably have better things to do than deal with random people off the street "just having a look". Just by showing up you're basically telling everyone there you think they're lying.

Also, I'm curious, since you don't believe in the "germ/contagion theory" *, does that mean you ignore the guidelines for avoiding infection too, or do you do the song and dance just to avoid pissing off others?

* I get the impression you don't really understand the difference between the everyday usage of the word "theory" and the more specific "scientific theory", as used in "germ theory". They have very different meanings.

[Joe Hillshoist]

Some of us have family members -- people we fucking love -- who work in ICUs and ERs. True, I haven't asked them to share with me any gore-porn of what they're contending with. But I sure as fuck have spoken with them by phone and heard their fucking exhaustion and fear and a few have sent me photos of their (thankfully very very good) PPE etc as they head into battle. This idea of fucking investigating if it's all a big lie is just perverse af.

Here's to your family members LO.



Here is hoping this ain't as bad as we think and that they are ok.

[identity]

B.C. man in hot water for filming himself ‘investigating’ COVID-19 test site, hospital

The operator of a Delta yoga studio that was shut down after claiming hot yoga can kill the novel coronavirus is facing an investigation after posting a series of videos where he entered health-care facilities to get the “truth” about the pandemic. One video shows Mak Parhar attempting to go through a COVID-19 drive-through testing site.

In another, he enters and explores Royal Columbian Hospital, using elevators and peeking into the intensive care unit and an area where COVID-19 patients have been isolated. B.C.’s testing sites are referral only, while health officials are asking people to stay away from hospitals unless they are in need of urgent care. Royal Columbian is one of 17 hospitals the province has designated as primary COVID-19 centres, and has been virtually emptied out to make room for a possible surge in coronavirus patients.

Public Safety Minister Mike Farnworth said the case has been referred to police, and that the videos show someone putting health-care workers and patients at risk. “This is just absolutely appalling and completely unacceptable, this individual is just a complete idiot,” he said. “There’s absolutely no place for this kind of nonsense, this kind of anti-science moronic behaviour, it’s just totally beyond the pale.”

Other videos on Pahar’s YouTube page show him hosting “Anti-covIDIOT” gatherings that violate social distancing directives, and espousing flat-earth conspiracy theories.

Reached by Global News, Parhar said he didn’t know the testing sites were referral only, and claimed his yoga studio was shut down because of a miscommunication with a bylaw officer. He described the content of his videos as citizen journalism.

“I would like concrete evidence of this so-called pandemic,” he said. “You guys are just pushing out this pandemic, pandemic narrative down everybody’s throat. “I don’t think I need to comply and believe that, same with the World Health Organization or Dr. Bonnie Henry? You know, I think in this country of freedom of speech, freedom of expression, the Canadian… I think this [is] a Charter rights issue.”

Farnworth said the consequences of the videos would depend on the outcome of an investigation, and whether it was determined if the criminal code or public health orders were violated. People caught breaking the orders could face fines of up to $25,000 and jail terms of up to six months, under B.C.’s Public Health Act.

“I say bring it on,” Parhar told Global News. “I say tell the police to go and investigate where this pandemic is and what a virus is.”

[liminalOyster]

Some of us have family members -- people we fucking love -- who work in ICUs and ERs. True, I haven't asked them to share with me any gore-porn of what they're contending with. But I sure as fuck have spoken with them by phone and heard their fucking exhaustion and fear and a few have sent me photos of their (thankfully very very good) PPE etc as they head into battle. This idea of fucking investigating if it's all a big lie is just perverse af.

Here's to your family members LO.



Here is hoping this ain't as bad as we think and that they are ok.

Thanks, Joe. Both are in very well-resourced states with good backing, etc. But are still going through something I'd wish on noone.

[Heaven Swan]

Hi LO old pal. Due to cross-posting I missed your post. (and BTW what ever happened to Jerky? I hope he wasn’t banned too...)

Sorry about your relative and hope they are okay and holding up. That goes for you too.
Suggestion—next time you talk perhaps you could, tactfully and respectively of course, ask more about the situation re: CV. then share anything relevant with RI.

And before anyone calls out suggesting to ask a few friendly questions as blasphemy bordering on attempted murder I want to remind you that we are living in a (stated and supposed) participatory democracy.

Some of us have family members -- people we fucking love -- who work in ICUs and ERs. True, I haven't asked them to share with me any gore-porn of what they're contending with. But I sure as fuck have spoken with them by phone and heard their fucking exhaustion and fear and a few have sent me photos of their (thankfully very very good) PPE etc as they head into battle. This idea of fucking investigating if it's all a big lie is just perverse af.

Here's to your family members LO.



Here is hoping this ain't as bad as we think and that they are ok.

Thanks, Joe. Both are in very well-resourced states with good backing, etc. But are still going through something I'd wish on noone.

[Heaven Swan]

In case anyone hasn’t seen the NYT piece on the situation at Elmhurst Hospital, it would be best to watch it first:

13 Deaths in a Day: An ‘Apocalyptic’ Coronavirus Surge at an N.Y.C. Hospital
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/25/nyre ... ticleShare
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Real World or Simulation


I don't believe the news from Elmhurst hospital. Let me show you why not, and why it is IMPERATIVE that we ask questions and bring the answers out. We are literally fighting for our lives right now.

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I know this Youtuber has been scorned and derided by some posters here, therefore I’ll say in advance, (before I’m scolded for the heresy of watching (or reading) non woke-sanctioned material) that old school Marxists and Black Panthers suggested that members spend 2 hours each morning reading newspapers from across the political spectrum.

Bias and propaganda are epidemic so I look at everything, whether coming from the left, right or outside of politics, with a critical eye and stay alert for flaws and possible deception, and hope that you do too,

[brainpanhandler]

I look at everything

That must be exhausting. Thank you for your duly diligent and patience. Its so hard these days to find the truth. Everywhere there are twists and turns; dead ends and deceptions. Only by keeping an opened mind and a thoughtful heart will we make it through these days of lies and tumult.