Alien Abductions and the Monarch Project

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Postby Cosmic Cowbell » Sat Dec 02, 2006 4:38 pm

Wombaticus Rex wrote:^^Cosmic Cowbell, that's a most interesting question. Offhand, I'd point you towards the life of Henry "Andrija" Puharich, who swam in both pools -- apparently on gov payroll.


I am well familiar with Puharich, The Nine, Geller, SRI etc. And while they did mix ET and MC in a fashion, they never connected it with Alien Abduction. Most if not all of their work involved "Contact" which to most, is channeled info, and NOT the 4 guys on a lake sucked up into a UFO (Allagash) or 5 guys in a forest with one being 'taken' while the other 4 looked on (and passed polygraph examinations TWICE as to the story) as in Travis Walton's story. Contacteeism and Abduction scenarios are not the same thing. Rarely do you finds 'reptoids' contacting folks, but you 'always' find them in league with the government in abduction/milab accounts. Thanks not to Puharich/Geller/SRI but rather a loose cadre former intelligence agents who seem to be in the 'fear' business.

I'm curious as to why you'd be averse to "shadowy groups" -- considering we're investigating the shadows, it just seems like an odd exception to make. I can understand your aversion to the Dulce/Cooper/Icke Axis of Disinfo, but some darkness comes with the territory. How about Stanford Research Institute? Are they too shadowy? Or the OTO? That's probably too out there, but they're still quite real and quite creepy human beings.


I'm not averse at all. We might as well throw Scientology in here while were at it. I've been thinking I should explain somewhat my strong feelings on this. You see, I live what David Jacobs calls "A Secret Life". And I am not alone. Unfortunately. And one of the reasons I do, is that the whole of Ufology/ETH is mired in the web of deceit propagated by a few former intelligence officers who have done nothing except create mythologies/disinformation that they in turn profit from. Dulce, Reptoids, MC, Chemtrails, Government Conspiracies, Space Brothers, Contacteeism and all the rest are now truly small cottage industries unto themselves. And in order not to be wrapped up or associated with the 'capitalism' of high strangeness and it's direct influence on the sales of Aluminum beanies and handheld Orgone Generators, I am forced to remain silent to all but a few in some attempt to retain my self respect. And I don't like it.

You could say it's personal with me...I hope this is understandable. It may seem as though I am not open minded as to certain hypothesis. I try to be. However, I do have a higher threshold as to what I'm willing to accept. That and my personal experience, which down deep tells me that what comes and takes some of us every so often for whatever unknown reason, is so alien in nature and so far advanced that any attempts to associate them with more mundane MO's such as having a need to be in 'league' with governments in MILAB ops, needing to soul suck or manipulate our atmosphere in some sort of 'invasion' scenario, requires more than simply someone stating 'I believe' when asked for evidence that supports the claim. It is also a two way street. I don't expect to be believed but neither am I trying to convince as to my personal experiences. They are mine.

"Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it" ~ Andre Gide
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Postby Attack Ships on Fire » Sat Dec 02, 2006 7:19 pm

Cosmic Cowbell wrote:If you really peel the onion here, you will eventually be led back to the works of V.V., Branton, William Cooper, Bill Moore, John Lear, The Dulce Mythology and the destruction of Paul Bennewitz. The whole Reptilian/Stargate conspiracy (as with the above 'belief')...without a doubt.


If anyone is interested in John Lear, take a visit to the UFO and Aliens forum on http://www.abovetopsecret.com. A word of advice before you go: ATS is like the Art Bell show; any claim, no matter how sensational and without corroborating evidence, goes.

John Lear is on there and has been very active in the forums, specifically in a couple of threads. In one, Lear claims that there are structures on the moon that are both alien and manmade. He has made numerous claims that he knows these structures exist because of his insider connections, but everytime he is confronted by someone to expand upon his claims, Lear backs off and uses the excuse that he doesn't care if anyone believes him. Lear claims that you could stand on the moon and breathe its atmosphere and that plants can grow there. When he is confronted by people using scientific observations that indicate the moon has very little atmosphere, he shrugs his shoulders and dismisses them.

ATS allows Lear to keep this cherade going on. If it were an unknown user posting these wild claims, they would likely have been banned by now. Still, what is plain to see is that there are a frightening number of people that blindly follow Lear because he's someone of minor fame. That's the scary part.

If someone claims that the moon has an atmosphere and the evidence has been supressed, I would listen to them. I haven't done the science myself, so I can't claim to know for sure if it's legit or not. However, we all can't be amateur astronomers, or physicists, or doctors, or have the free time and money to go investigate reports of a secret underground base outside of Dulce, NM, and so we have to rely on evidence presented to us and our minds make the decision whether something is real or fiction for us. I have never been to Africa but I believe it exists based on the reports I've heard from others as well as photos and videos. I don't believe that you can stand on the moon and breathe its air because of the same lack of evidence.

The thing of it is, after following Lear's posts and the flames going back and forth, I now entertain two likely answers for this man's endurance: he is either very gullible and wants so desperately to believe, or he is spreading disinformation on purpose.

Here's the one to the moon photos, warning, it has over 1,000 posts in the discussion: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread225616/pg1
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Postby Cosmic Cowbell » Sat Dec 02, 2006 10:32 pm

If anyone is interested, here is a link to the text of the O. H Krill documents, admittedly hoaxed by John Grace and John Lear and disseminated widely by William Cooper, Branton and many others.

http://www.worldofthestrange.com/modules.php?name=Documents&op=ViewItems&vid=182&viewed=1&page=2

It references 'Aliens on the Moon' . It also contains this passage...

How the actual contact between the government and aliens was initially made is not known, but the government was made aware that it could be done by a civilian using the right equipment. Dr. Paul Bennewitz, civilian scientist, did so using computer equipment and informed the government he had done so, not realizing that by then, in 1983, that the government was in truth as deep into dealing with the aliens as his communications with them revealed. Dr. Bennewitz lives next to Manzano Weapons Storage Area in Albuquerque, New Mexico. He observed UFOs constantly over the area and initially decided that they were a threat to the installation. He proceeded to figure out a coding system and attempted and was successful in communicating with the aliens that were flying over that area.

What he found out is that after initial contacts with the aliens years ago, we agreed to provide them with bases underground in the United States in return for certain technological secrets which the aliens would reveal to us. The aliens would also be allowed to carry out certain operations, abductions, and mutilations without intervention.


The reality of the campaign waged against Paul Bennewitz by the AFOSI is now well known and documented. Grace was a part of AFOSI at the time. There is also a reference in the Krill documents to the "Taxonomy of Extra-Terrestrial Humanoids," another offering by George Andrews, yields some other observations:...".

"Working under the instructions of the humanoids from Rigel (the Greys), CIA and former Nazi scientists have developed and deployed malignant strains of bacteria and viruses, including AIDS, in order to exterminate undesirable elements of the human population."

Of course Mr. Andrews know this because he "has as its source a Blond that is a time traveler that escaped the Grey takeover of their system." Oh wait a minute, I forgot, The Krill Documents are fabrications created "(according to sources close to John Lear) to "smoke out the dis-informants in the field".

Uh huh....

And yet Lear continues to espouse Alien Moonbases. Much the same as one Alex Collier, whose work you will ample examples of at Trufax.Org (VV/Grace) . Or you can just Google Alex Collier. Here are just a few tidbits contained in his lectures.

"They say that our universe, which consists of everything that we do and don’t know about, is a 21 trillion year-old hologram."

"Now, our government, the United States government, the New World Order - whatever you want to call it - wants to implant everybody."

"In Westchester County, New York, over 5,000 children have vanished without a trace over the last three years. The government knows what is going on but they are helpless to do anything about it. The reason they don’t want to bring it up is because they let the bastards in here in the first place. They cut a deal. "

"Our moon, according to the Andromedans, is an artificial satellite. I will tell you that a lot of people are working on this. Two years ago, I sat in a room with Richard Hoagland and asked him, “why don’t you tell the people that the moon is an artificial satellite?”. Richard Hoagland replied, “I’m not ready.” See, he knows."

"Our moon now is colonized. I am told by Moraney that there is a full time working population on the moon of 35,000 people, and that they are all Ari-ans by birth. I’ll let you figure out the implications of that yourself. There are no blacks, Chinese, Hispanics, Korean, Japanese, Italians ... they are all Ari-ans by birth."


(Shades of William Cooper and Ultra Right Wing Elohim City crowd)

"According to Moranae, Hale Bopp is a protocol ship from Orion. It has four spiral structures on it, and it carries two moons behind it. When it enters our solar system in 1997, the two moons will go into orbit with mercury, and our government is going to make a “They’re Here” public announcement."

Ummmm....

http://www.soulwise.net/99ac-00.htm

I mean, -anything- goes with these guys.........ugh. I hope one day they get together and write a book entitled "Creating Urban Myths/UFO Legends for Fun and Profit". It is something they all excel at. At the least, we would finally get some non-fiction out this crew.

Rants over...on to something else.
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Postby Attack Ships on Fire » Sun Dec 03, 2006 12:08 am

I had thought about posting a new thread with this info, but since I made mention of John Lear and ATS earlier this afternoon, I'll lump it in with this thread. If someone wants to continue it, they can decide if it deserves its own thread or should remain in here.

Two things I'd like to mention:

1. After my post earlier today, I dropped by the ATS forum to see what was new...I usually check on it once every week or so. I found out that John Lear has been suspended posting privledges, at least according to someone that posted this in the moon photo thread I refer to above.

2. I stumbled across another interesting thread that started off as a discussion about the possibility that ATS (and other para websites) are being used in some kind of disinformation game by the government or by mind control groups. Here's the thread where it starts: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread235196/pg1

There are some interesting things in there including the reveal that Dr. Christopher "Kit" Green is now a consultant to ATS. One of the ATS posters named Shawnna found out about Green's background, including his work for the CIA and interest in paranormal/UFO subjects. He's a neurophysiologist with a specialty in electrophysiology. He may also be one of the men that was in the Aviary group mentioned by Moore and Shandera in the late 1980s, and that some UFOlogists claim are a disinformation group seeding untruths amongst the UFO community.

For their part, one of the ATS mods chimed in and debated Shawnna, defending the integrity of Green, and that his employment by the DIA or CIA, or his name being linked to the purpored Aviary group isn't by any means confirmation that he is not to be trusted by ATS members. Green even sent an email to the ATS mod stating some of this, and the ATS mod downplayed that any sinister motives were behind the involvement of Green with the website.

Reading on further, Shawnna claims that Green has ties with several people whose involvement with the UFO community are under suspicion including those involved with the release of the SERPO documents.

So what you're left with is the direct involvement of a scientist that has an extensive career with DIA and CIA, an expert at the wiring of the brain, an interest in paranormal and UFOs, and who has some kind of connection with the MJ-12 team of Moore/Shandera and the team behind the SERPO documents, the authenticies of both (especially the SERPO docs) are under suspicion. The Shawnna person has even linked to a PDF file that links the social connections Green has with the UFO community and his similarity with ties to those shared by Uri Geller.

http://home.comcast.net/~shawnna141/Soc ... HERKIT.pdf

I'm not entirely sure what to make of all of it yet, but one fascinating idea is that there may be people out there with strong ties to the military or alphabet agencies that are trying hard to make a case that UFOs are alien spacecraft. So if that's the case, why is the government so focused on spending monies on secret experiments with remote viewing, mind control and psychic phenomena?

What if the simplest answer -- that these things are aliens coming from space -- isn't the best answer? And what if there are some people that don't want the best answer to start building momentum amongst the UFO community?

I know this isn't fun to do, and it creates more headaches than offers solutions, but I thought it would be fun to share what's happening on this small corner of it right now on another site.
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OOPS! Thought this thread had died--!

Postby LilyPatToo » Sun Dec 03, 2006 1:10 am

For some reason, I've never gotten a single email notice of any more posts to this thread since my own post on the first page--! I assumed it had died an early death and was too busy to come back and check.....*damn*! :?

Gods, so much has been discussed and so many questions asked...I'm not sure where to start. I guess posting a link to Martin Cannon's "The Controllers" would come first -- http://www.constitution.org/abus/controll.htm

And there's a story behind my own finding that article, too: I too am a survivor of a trauma-based mind control program, but I had no idea of that (and had no idea I was multiple, either) 10 years ago. But that was apparently when an alternate personality of mine took over long enough to print out the entire paper and then hide it in my art studio, behind a row of heavy reference books.

I subsequently blocked on painting entirely and the studio was shut up for many years. It wasn't until I'd found out about mind control that I found the stack of pages under a thick coat of dust while opening up the studio again. I'd never laid eyes on them before that moment and when I read the article, I was stunned--what Cannon said is, to the best of my own knowledge, true of my own "alien abduction/UFO" history. It wasn't aliens, it was human fascists who believed they owned me.

Whoever thought up the ploy of gifting us with alien screen memories to cover mind control program accessings was brilliant. Diabolically clever [pun intended] and their little ploy has enjoyed tremendous success over the past 60 years. I was born in 1947, the year that the intelligence community started the UFO era. Philip Coppens has written about it here -- http://www.philipcoppens.com/ufogate.html My mother's cousin married an OSS agent and I suspect that's the way I was "chosen".

I'll be back tomorrow to see if there's anything else I can add. SO glad to see that this thread is still alive...did the rest of you get the usual email notices that it had been posted to???

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my moon experience

Postby Trifecta » Sun Dec 03, 2006 6:57 am

For the record: I personally have not had direct expereince of what one could call alien/off world direct tangible contact. That said I have had numerous out there expereinces which I still cannot explain.

About five years ago, around November I choose to stay up until 3am to llok at a lunar eclipse. I walked 100 yards from my house to a bridge in my town, it was a very cloudy night and although I could see the moons glow I could not see behind the cloud cover. Afetr a few minutes I had a strange feeling I was being watched, turned to look behind me, but saw nothing, no houses overlooked the area where I was standing just some shops and a couple of restaurants..saw nothing.

As I turned back to look at the moon, the cloud dispersed and I started to see the suns shadow start to cross the moons surface, two tiny translucent spheres/orbs appeared they looked like childrens bubbles where light would have made them look like green, red and blue moving in the mix of the liquid from a bubble bottle, they seemed to travel at rapid speed directly towards me, in under a few seconds these bubbles were right right in front of my eyes, they never got any bigger and remain a constant size, both orbs/spheres/bubbles entered my lower eylids. At this point my head head seemed to buzz uncontrolably as if somone had put an electromagnetic blanket over my head, I felt dizzy and tired to move away, my legs had no control, they did not seem to want to work, as I buckled up I managed to hold my body against a wall and drag myself back to my house, it took every bit of energy I had but I managed to get back to my house...then I blacked out.

I awoke a couple of hours later fully clothed at the side of my bed fully clothed, convinced I was about to die, i took my clothes of and got into bed. I awaoke once agin some hours later, went into the living room to discover all my belongings had been scattered all over the place?

And that was it? Obviously i have since read enough about mising time episodes to consider the possibility that it was an abduction scenario? but also it could just have been my stumblings to get to bed feeling rough?

A week later at a party i stepped outside to have a brief conversation with the host, as she went back into the house the same electromagnetic fuzz happened and I collapsed on the floor. I was holding a glass of wine, the glass started rolling down the hill and brought me back to consiousness, it was literally seconds. Nothing like this has happened since.

However, since this event my life took on a completely different track, I stopped me a corporate whore, took the journey within as emenatly more important than climbing the ladder of success, am much more in touch with the wonders of the world and see the oneness of everything.

Thats my moon story?
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Postby LilyPatToo » Sun Dec 03, 2006 4:18 pm

Oculum Infame, when I was reading this thread last night, I was really struck by that sudden-onset illness that you suffered after beginning this thread. Are you aware of the stories of "illness alters" in the mind control literature? The survivor who found me explained them as being damage-control programming that kicks in when the slave is in immanent danger of waking up or of disseminating information that might wake up others.

And, just after she first showed up at another board and I had one of those thousand watt light bulbs switch on over my head as I read for the first time about trauma-based programming, I was suddenly stricken--in one night, with not a single prior symptom--with the death of my gall bladder. The surgeons didn't believe me when I insisted that I'd not had a single symptom before the previous evening. The gall bladder wasn't just dead, it was (sorry for the grossness) decomposing and poisoning other organs. That simply could NOT happen over night, they said....but I'm very active and should have had a lot of pain as I exercised, but I had none.

When I survived that and persisted in asking her questions, I was hit with the very first vertigo I'd ever experienced. It was violent and completely unexpected. The survivor who was educating me told me about "spin programming" that can kick in at any time that other damage-control programming fails to either kill or distract a survivor.

So you can see why your burst appendix caught my attention.

Re: your orb experience -- there are some parts of it that sound to me as if you were hit with some sort of non-lethal beam technology in order to incapacitate you briefly. Your symptoms were strikingly similar to some accounts I've heard from "wavies" (broadcast MC tech victims). Usually, that's done to slaves in order to make it easier to access them for some sort of programming work.

I'm not saying that that's what happened in your case, but you need to be aware that the Controllers frequently use faked spiritual experiences (as well as alien abduction) as screen memories to cover their predation. Have you read Cannon's "The Controllers" yet? I think I linked to it last night. It might give you a perspective on the goons' motives, technology and procedures, so that you could try seeing your own situation through that lens.

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Postby blanc » Sun Dec 03, 2006 6:40 pm

wish i didn't read this thread
gall bladder huh. me too, 1 yr after light bulb moment. (any medical info forthcoming on this one - poison??)

spin prog. - crude but they don't let that stop em do they.

butterflies too.

hope you are well OI
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Postby Truth4Youth » Sun Dec 03, 2006 9:05 pm

I actually have gathered some info on the whole "reptilian agenda" thing and the people involved with promoting it so I might as well add my two cents.

I can that Branton (Bruce Alan Walton) has mostly likely been involved in "disinfo" (although I do not necessarily think it is formulated by the powers that be) and hoaxes, although I do I have my doubts at times because he is a bit complex (just as a few others in this area of research are). The main hoax he has helped push forward is the 'Commander X' hoax. According Branton Commander X is a retired intelligence officer and a member of COM-12 (the "good guys" that fight the evil aliens in this mythos). But according to Jerry E. Smith, author of "HAARP: The Ultimate Weapon of the Conspiracy", and Kenn Thomas, co-author with Jim Keith of "The Octopus: The Secret Government and the Death of Danny Casolaro", Commander X was a hoax created in order to cash in presumably on the X-Files and conspiracy craze that had popped up in the 80s and 90s. I was told by these two men that Commander X was actually multiple authors, onje of whome was Jim Keith. The perpetrators of the hoax are Timothy Green Beckley (a guy who makes money from wrestling magazines and sleazy erotic B-horror movies as well as the UFO field) and Tim Swartz. Branton has played a prominenet role in promoting the non-sense as well. Beckley and Swartz run the "Conspiracy Journal" website and Beckley runs "Inner Light Publications" which are the platforms for the 'Commander X' hoax. Beckley and Swartzv have ties with UFO investigators Brad Steiger and Sean Casteel. Beckley and Steiger have written what many would consider an unusually large amount of books (perhaps they are just in it for the money?). In addition Steiger along with Branton have promoted the Montauk Project/Philadelphia Experiment and Al Bielek sagas. 'Commander X' wrought a book on Bielek and the Philadelphia Experiment sagas entitled "Philadelphia Experiment Chronicles".

I've noticed that Richard Doty who was involved in the Dulce Base hoax has been promoting the "Project Serpo" insanity lately as well. Anyone find that a tad interesting? And does anyone find it funny that all these people that promote the Dulce Base or Montauk Project stuff are usually connected. You connect the Al Bielek to the Phil Schneider (self-proclaimed Dulce worker now "mysteriously" dead) to Branton who leads you to people like Beckley who takes you to Steiger who takes you back to Bielek and the Montauk crew. I personally think Lear and Doty are lying through their teeth every chance they get. William Cooper and David Icke are harder to pin down.
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OY! What a field....

Postby LilyPatToo » Sun Dec 03, 2006 11:28 pm

My take on Icke is that he's unstable, outstandingly gullible and also has poor impulse control, but probably isn't *deliberately* disinforming. And I sometimes have wondered if perhaps he wasn't being "messed with" mentally by the Controllers. Just MHO, YMMV. But Lear and Doty come across to me as serious professional disinformers.

There are a ton of sleazy operators in the UFO field, again IMHO. And also some pros who work for the alphabet soup agencies that have manipulated sightings of genuine unidentified flying objects (which have been sighted for as long as there've been humans looking up) into a magnificent, elaborate cover story with which they enthrall a lot of Sheeple and keep them distracted from what's really going on in the world.

I'll link again to Coppens' site with his own research into the orgins of the modern UFO era. It points directly to CIA operatives doing some very odd things at each of the earliest major sightings -- http://www.philipcoppens.com/ufogate.html

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Postby Wombaticus Rex » Mon Dec 04, 2006 9:28 am

I think with Icke and Branton, we enter into the most interesting quadrant of the New Sociology -- you can have spooks engineer the memes, you can have disinfo agents disseminate the memes, but the real wild card is the crazies who take your memes and run with 'em in new directions. I suspect that exact quadrant is what interests sociologists like William Sims Bainbridge the most -- the guys who only need to be handed the ammo, and ten years later they're still acting out their schizoid internal dramas and working unpaid overtime for you.

This might be a very dark grey area, but it's still useful to consider that simple human stupidity could be an explanation here, too -- it's not all deliberate conspiracy. Thank God.
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Postby Sweejak » Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:28 am

"It is time to move beyond mere observation of scientistic cults and use the knowledge we have gained of recruitment strategies, cultural innovation, and social needs to create better religions than the world currently possesses. At the very least, unobtrusive observation must be supplemented by active experimentation. Religions are human creations. Our society quite consciously tries to improve every other kind of social institution, why not religion? Members of The Process, founded mainly by students from an architecture school, referred to the creation of their cult as religious engineering, the conscious, systematic, skilled creation of a new religion (Bainbridge 1978).

I propose that we become religious engineers." 


- William Sims Bainbridge, New Religions, Science, and Secularization, in Religion and the Social Order, 1993
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Postby LilyPatToo » Mon Dec 04, 2006 2:24 pm

Wombaticus Rex said,
This might be a very dark grey area, but it's still useful to consider that simple human stupidity could be an explanation here, too -- it's not all deliberate conspiracy. Thank God.


Good point. In discussions of mind control programs, I'm constantly reminding people that they must remember to take into account things like human error, bumbling government bureaucracies and Murphy's Law when trying to figure out what may have happened to them. It isn't always conspiracy.

And that's a good point about people getting caught up in the creation of their own hobby horses, which they then ride until they drop in their tracks. Those are the most difficult ones to peg, since they speak from genuine personal conviction. In the alien abduction community, there are hordes of them! And Icke is their poster boy.

I just hate that they're doing the Controllers' work for them--sucking so many gullible people into their erratic orbits and then distracting/confusing the hell out of them.

Sweejak, I think that may be the mechanism at work in modern Pagan communities, though not fully consciously (at least not usually). People are building their own faiths out of bits gleaned from archaeology, social anthropology, psychology and the esoteric/occult literature. They're excluding the things that they perceive as negative in the traditional religions and adding in all sorts of interesting Mystery School practices and coming up with interesting hybrid religions.

But the Controllers have infiltrated many of them, I suspect, with COINTELPRO in mind. Religion is many things, but to them, it is primarily a social control mechanism and a velvet glove in which to conceal an iron hand.

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Wanting to Believe

Postby professorpan » Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:12 pm

Wombaticus Rex wrote:This might be a very dark grey area, but it's still useful to consider that simple human stupidity could be an explanation here, too -- it's not all deliberate conspiracy. Thank God.


Word.

I spent a good bit of time hobnobbing with Ufologists of various stripes, and I suspect maybe one of them -- out of the entire bunch -- was spreading deliberate disinformation.

The poster on Mulder's wall sums up human nature very succinctly: I WANT TO BELIEVE. People mislead themselves as often as they are misled by others.

I don't completely buy the MILAB/Controllers hypothesis, though I would not be surprised to find that human-constructed or -induced abductions make up a small percentage of abduction accounts.

It is quite clear that the military/intel folks are interested in UFO sightings and contact experiences (I met an abductee in the early 90s who showed me multiple photos and videotapes of black helicopters hovering directly over her suburban house, for one example). But I don't spooks are responsible for the bulk of them. I don't think human technology is advanced enough to create the "high weirdness" phenomena that accompanies UFO contact. There's something more primordial at work than CIA agents in alien masks beaming psychotronic rays at innocent civilians.
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Postby LilyPatToo » Mon Dec 04, 2006 4:10 pm

At this point in my learning process, I think that an ancient phenomenon is being exploited, so I agree with the Prof's assertion that
There's something more primordial at work than CIA agents in alien masks beaming psychotronic rays at innocent civilians.
But I disagree about the probable level of technology being test-run on abductees.


The watershed event in modern mind control secrecy, to me, was the Church Committee hearing on MKULTRA. I suspect that at that time, the most egregious projects all were driven deep underground, out of oversight by any elected represenatives of the people. The SAPS (special access projects) currently being pursued are probably employing "deep black" technologies that have been in developement for decades now. Nurtured with lavish funding and zero public oversight, these SAP technologies will appear magical to most people.

And there are SO MANY ways that such technology can be used to manipulate gullible True Believers, particularly if the Bad Guys are playing with genuine paranormal forces themselves and have tapped into some woo-woo stuff that can be used to stampede the Herd. And those of us who've already had our lives meddled with could go either way--some of us will probably be at the front of the thundering Herd, running for our lives, and others will have learned enough about this murky subject to take a giant step back from the melee and find a rock to hide under until the theatrics are over.

I know a well-intentioned and highly intelligent local UFO researcher who was targetted by a well-funded, professional disinfo team and narrowly escaped being publically discredited. These people played him like a violin and it took him much longer than you would think to wake up to the con. He'd done UFO investigation for years and been left alone, but I think it was when he began looking into MILABs that he was selected for some psy-ops and disinfo by some intelligence agency. I believe he suspected the CIA at the time, but haven't spoken to him in a decade at this point, so I don't know whether he's gained any additional insight into who was behind it.

The disinfo ops are very real and the people behind them are serious and focused. They aren't amateurs, though they may draft unsuspecting spy-wannabe civilians to work for them.

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