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Postby Laodicean » Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:11 pm



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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby vanlose kid » Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:39 pm

Robert Fisk: Blood and fear in Cairo's streets as Mubarak's men crack down on protests
The sky was filled with rocks. The fighting around me was so terrible we could smell the blood

Thursday, 3 February 2011

"President" Hosni Mubarak's counter-revolution smashed into his opponents yesterday in a barrage of stones, cudgels, iron bars and clubs, an all-day battle in the very centre of the capital he claims to rule between tens of thousands of young men, both – and here lies the most dangerous of all weapons – brandishing in each other's faces the banner of Egypt. It was vicious and ruthless and bloody and well planned, a final vindication of all Mubarak's critics and a shameful indictment of the Obamas and Clintons who failed to denounce this faithful ally of America and Israel.

The fighting around me in the square called Tahrir was so terrible that we could smell the blood. The men and women who are demanding the end of Mubarak's 30-year dictatorship – and I saw young women in scarves and long skirts on their knees, breaking up the paving stones as rocks fell around them – fought back with an immense courage which later turned into a kind of terrible cruelty.

Some dragged Mubarak's security men across the square, beating them until blood broke from their heads and splashed down their clothes. The Egyptian Third Army, famous in legend and song for crossing the Suez Canal in 1973, couldn't – or wouldn't – even cross Tahrir Square to help the wounded.

As thousands of Egyptians shrieking abuse – and this was as close to civil war as Egypt has ever come – swarmed towards each other like Roman fighters, they simply overwhelmed the parachute units "guarding" the square, climbing over their tanks and armoured vehicles and then using them for cover.

One Abrams tank commander – and I was only 20 feet away – simply ducked the stones that were bouncing off his tank, jumped into the turret and battened down the hatch. Mubarak's protesters then climbed on top to throw more rocks at their young and crazed antagonists.

I guess it's the same in all battles, even though guns have not (yet) appeared; abuse by both sides provoked a shower of rocks from Mubarak's men – yes, they did start it – and then the protesters who seized the square to demand the old man's overthrow began breaking stones to hurl them back.

By the time I reached the "front" line – the quotation marks are essential, since the lines of men moved back and forth over half a mile – both sides were screaming and lunging at each other, blood streaming down their faces. At one point, before the shock of the attack wore off, Mubarak's supporters almost crossed the entire square in front of the monstrous Mugamma building – relic of Nasserite endeavour – before being driven out.

Indeed, now that Egyptians are fighting Egyptians, what are we supposed to call these dangerously furious people? The Mubarakites? The "protesters" or – more ominously – the "resistance"? For that is what the men and women struggling to unseat Mubarak are now calling themselves.

"This is Mubarak's work," one wounded stone-thrower said to me. "He has managed to turn Egyptian against Egyptian for just nine more months of power. He is mad. Are you in the West mad, too?"

I can't remember how I replied to this question. But how could I forget watching – just a few hours earlier – as the Middle East "expert" Mitt Romney, former governor of Massachusetts, was asked if Mubarak was a dictator. No, he said, he was "a monarch-type figure".

The face of this monarch was carried on giant posters, a printed provocation, to the barricades. Newly distributed by officers of the National Democratic Party – they must have taken a while to produce after the party's headquarters was reduced to a smouldering shell after Friday's battles – many were held in the air by men carrying cudgels and police batons. There is no doubt about this because I had driven into Cairo from the desert as they formed up outside the foreign ministry and the state radio building on the east bank of the Nile. There were loudspeaker songs and calls for Mubarak's eternal life (a very long presidency indeed) and many were sitting on brand-new motorcycles, as if they had been inspired by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's thugs after the 2009 Iranian elections. Come to think of it, Mubarak and Ahmadinejad do actually have the same respect for elections.

Only when I had passed the radio building did I see the thousands of other young men pouring in from the suburbs of Cairo. There were women, too, mostly in traditional black dress and white-and-black scarves, a few children among them, walking along the flyover behind the Egyptian Museum. They told me that they had as much right to Tahrir Square as the protesters – true, by the way – and that they intended to express their love of their President in the very place where he had been so desecrated.

And they had a point, I suppose. The democrats – or the "resistance", depending on your point of view – had driven out the security police thugs from this very square on Friday. The problem is that the Mubarak men included some of the very same thugs I saw then, when they were working with armed security police to baton and assault the demonstrators. One of them, a yellow-shirted youth with tousled hair and bright red eyes – I don't know what he was on – carried the very same wicked steel stick he had been using on Friday. Once more, the defenders of Mubarak were back. They even sang the same old refrain – constantly reworked to take account of the local dictator's name – "With our blood, with our soul, we dedicate ourselves to you."

As far away as Giza, the NDP had rounded up the men who controlled voting at elections and sent them hollering their support as they marched along a stinking drainage ditch. Not far away, even a camel-owner was enjoined to say that "if you don't know Mubarak, you don't know Allah" – which was, to put it mildly, a bit much.

In Cairo, I walked beside Mubarak's ranks and reached the front as they began another charge into Tahrir Square. The sky was filled with rocks – I am talking of stones six inches in diameter, which hit the ground like mortar shells. On this side of the "line", of course, they were coming from Mubarak's opponents. They cracked and split apart and spat against the walls around us. At which point, the NDP men turned and ran in panic as the President's opponents surged forward. I just stood with my back against the window of a closed travel agency – I do remember a poster for a romantic weekend in Luxor and "the fabled valley of the tombs".

But the stones came in flocks, hundreds of them at a time, and then a new group of young men were beside me, the Egyptian demonstrators from the square. Only no longer in their fury were they shouting "Down with Mubarak" and "Black Mubarak" but Allahu Akbar – God is Great – and I would hear this again and again as the long day progressed. One side was shouting Mubarak, the other God. It hadn't been like that 24 hours ago.

I hared towards safe ground where the stones no longer hissed and splintered and suddenly I was among Mubarak's opponents.

Of course, it would be an exaggeration to say that the stones cloaked the sky, but at times there were a hundred rocks soaring through the sky. They wrecked an entire army truck, smashing its sides, crushing its windows. The stones came soaring out of side roads off Champollion Street and on Talaat Harb. The men were sweating, headbands in red, roaring their hatred. Many held white cloth to wounds. Some were carried past me, sloshing blood all over the road.

And an increasing number were wearing Islamist dress, short trousers, grey cloaks, long beards, white head caps. They shouted Allahu Akbar loudest and they bellowed their love of God, which was not supposed to be what this was all about. Yes, Mubarak had done it. He had brought the Salafists out against him, alongside his political enemies. From time to time, young men were grabbed, their faces fist-pulped, screaming and fearful of their lives, documentation found on their clothes to prove they worked for Mubarak's interior ministry.

Many of the protesters – secular young men, pushing their way through the attackers – tried to defend the prisoners. Others – and I noticed an awful lot of "Islamists" among them, complete with obligatory beards – would bang their fists on these poor men's heads, using big rings on their fingers to cut open their skin so that blood ran down their faces. One youth, red T-shirt torn open, face bloated with pain, was rescued by two massive men, one of whom put the now half-naked prisoner over his shoulder and pushed his way through the crowd.

Thus was saved the life of Mohamed Abdul Azim Mabrouk Eid, police security number 2101074 from the Giza governorate – his security pass was blue with three odd-looking pyramids stamped on the laminated cover.
Thus was another man pulled from the mob, squealing and clutching his stomach. And behind him knelt a squadron of women, breaking stones.

There were moments of farce amid all this. In the middle of the afternoon, four horses were ridden into the square by Mubarak's supporters, along with a camel – yes, a real-life camel that must have been trucked in from the real dead pyramids – their apparently drugged riders hauled off their backs. I found the horses grazing gently beside a tree three hours later. Near the statue of Talaat Harb, a boy sold agwa – a peculiarly Egyptian date-bread delicacy – at 4 pence each – while on the other side of the road, two figures stood, a girl and a boy, holding identical cardboard trays in front of them. The girl's tray was filled with cigarette packets. The boy's tray was filled with stones.

And there were scenes that must have meant personal sorrow and anguish for those who experienced them. There was a tall, muscular man, wounded in the face by a slice of stone, whose legs simply buckled beside a telephone junction box, his face sliced open yet again on the metal. And there was the soldier on an armoured personnel carrier who let the stones of both sides fly past him until he jumped on to the road among Mubarak's enemies, putting his arms around them, tears coursing down his face.

And where, amid all this hatred and bloodshed, was the West? Reporting this shame every day, you suffer from insomnia. Sometime around 3am yesterday, I had watched Lord Blair of Isfahan as he struggled to explain to CNN the need to "partner the process of change" in the Middle East. We had to avoid the "anarchy" of the "most extreme elements". And – my favourite, this – Lord Blair spoke of "a government that is not elected according to the system of democracy that we would espouse". Well, we all know which old man's "democracy" he was referring to.

Street rumour had it that this man – Mitt Romney's "monarch-type figure" – might actually creep out of Egypt on Friday. I'm not so sure. Nor do I really know who won the Battle of Tahrir Square yesterday, though it will not remain long unresolved. At dusk, the stones were still cracking on to the roads, and on to the people. After a while, I started ducking when I saw passing birds.

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/co ... 02657.html

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby vanlose kid » Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:45 pm

Egypt official: White House demands contradictory

The Associated Press
Wednesday, February 2, 2011; 4:09 PM
WASHINGTON -- An Egyptian official says his government believes that White House demands for President Hosni Mubarak to step down immediately are in "clear contradiction" with Obama administration calls for an orderly transition to a new government.

The official, speaking for his government from a location outside Egypt, told The Associated Press on Wednesday that Mubarak's decision not to seek re-election in September was not a result of White House pressure.

The official spoke on condition of anonymity, saying his government would not allow him to associate his name with the statement.

The official said in the statement: "There is a clear contradiction between an orderly process of transition and the insistence that this process be rushed."

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby vanlose kid » Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:49 pm

Washington's strong words underline US impotence
By Rupert Cornwell in Washington
Thursday, 3 February 2011

The chaos on the streets of Cairo has raised the stakes even higher for President Barack Obama – underlining Washington's powerlessness to shape events, and raising the spectre of the US having to deal with a close ally whose regime it has disowned, but which uses violence to survive, temporarily at least.

As clashes between anti- and pro-Mubarak supporters intensified yesterday, with the outcome utterly unclear, the White House "deplored and condemned" the violence, and expressed its outrage at the attacks on peaceful demonstrators and the media. It was "imperative" the violence stopped, Robert Gibbs, Mr Obama's spokesman, said, urging restraint on all sides.

In reality, those words merely underline the helplessness of the administration, at this point reduced to watching TV like everyone else, and keeping its fingers crossed about how events unfold – in Egypt most immediately but also in other friendly countries in the region, most notably Saudi Arabia and Jordan.

That was another sign that Mr Obama's room for manoeuvre has been further reduced, now he has thrown the weight of the US publicly behind the demonstrators demanding change, and signalling that President Mubarak's concession that he would step down at September's election did not go far enough.

"An orderly transition must be meaningful, it must be peaceful and it must begin now," the US President said, hours after the Egyptian leader had spoken on Tuesday. The operative word was "now", officials here added, making even clearer where Mr Obama stood.

Now however Mr Mubarak appears to have called that bluff. In a final gambit to retain power, he seems to have called out his supporters on the streets in a plainly orchestrated attempt to dislodge the tens of thousands of protesters who for a week have been demonstrating peacefully for an end to his regime – presenting it as a spontaneous response by ordinary citizens who have had enough of the disorder.

"If the government instigated the violence, that must stop," Robert Gibbs, the White House, spokesman said.

The move may be wholly cynical. But the net result has been to leave the US scrambling to find a coherent response to events that change day by day, even hour to hour. Its basic problem though has been the same even before the crisis erupted: how to preserve a key national security alliance in the Middle East, yet get on the right side of history.

Mr Obama's statement came after a 30-minute phone conversation with Mr Mubarak – and it contained his most unequivocal backing yet for the pro-democracy demonstrators. Their "passion and dignity" was "an inspiration to people around the world", the President declared. "We hear your voices."

Some experts urge Washington to respond to Mr Mubarak's apparent defiance by cutting off the annual $1.5bn of aid and military support it provides Egypt, its strongest leverage against the regime. Yesterday Mr Gibbs would only say the matter was under constant review.

But there is an opposite and perhaps even greater risk, that the White House tacitly go along with the crackdown in the hope that stability can somehow be maintained. This, analysts say, is what Mr Mubarak is seeking – but it would only delay the inevitable, and in the meantime increase hostility to the US in Egypt and across the region.

Thus far, anti-American slogans have been conspicuous by their absence from Cairo's streets. But that could change and bring closer the ultimate nightmare of officials here: a re-run of 1979, when the Shah of Iran, an earlier key US ally, was driven from power and replaced by the Islamic regime that ever since has been America's biggest rival in the region.

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby vanlose kid » Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:52 pm

wintler2 wrote:...

Beware of pretty illusions, eg. that the army was pro-people.

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news broken on twitter via @weddady...
Army officer crying after thugs attack on protesters RT @Pazuzu_hsp: wow today's fav http://ht.ly/3PaSh via @waelabbas #Jan25

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/t/army-of ... 52160.html


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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby vanlose kid » Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:54 pm

Live From Egypt: The True Face of the Mubarak Regime by Sharif Abdel Kouddous


Cairo, Egypt—The Mubarak regime launched a brutal and coordinated campaign of violence today to take back the streets of Cairo from Egypt’s mass pro-democracy movement.

Pro-Mubarak mobs began gathering near Tahrir square shortly after Mubarak’s speech on Tuesday night and held a rally in front of the state TV building on Corniche El Nile St. In the morning, they began marching around the downtown area in packs of 50 to 100.

These were not the same kinds of protesters that have occupied Tahrir for the last few days. These crowds were made up mostly of men, in between 20 and 45 years old. Many wore thick leather jackets with sweaters underneath. They chanted angrily in support of Mubarak and against the pro-democracy movement. They were hostile and intimidating.

They repeatedly cursed Al Jazeera, asking cameramen at the scene if they worked for the Arabic news network. One man drew his finger across his throat to signal his intentions.

By midday their numbers had swelled dramatically and they began pouring into the downtown area heading straight for Tahrir Square. The army, which had encircled Tahrir since Saturday, simply let them in. The pro-democracy protesters inside formed a human chain inside to try and hold the mob at bay. Utilizing their greater numbers, they initially succeeded in pushing them back non-violently and appeared to have them in full retreat. But then, the mob attacked.

"Suddenly, rocks started falling out of the sky," said Ismail Naguib, a witness at the scene. "Rocks were flying everywhere. Everywhere." Many people were hit. Some were badly cut, others had arms and legs broken. The mob then charged in, some riding on horseback and camels trampling and beating people. Groups of them gathered on rooftops around Tahrir and continued to pelt people with rocks.

"It’s a massacre," said Selma al-Tarzi as the attack was ongoing. "They have knives, they are throwing molotov bombs, they are burning the trees, they are throwing stones at us...this is not a demonstration anymore this is war."

Some of the attackers were caught. Their IDs showed them to be policemen dressed in civilians clothes. Others appeared to be state sponsored 'baltagiya' and government employees. "Instead of uniformed guys trying to stop you from protesting. You’ve got non-uniformed guys trying to stop you from protesting," Naguib said.

Meanwhile, pro-Mubarak crowds blocked all the entrances to Tahrir. They chanted angrily and pushed people back trying to get in. The army was complicit in the siege, preventing anyone, including journalists from entering. The attack inside continued for several hours. At least 600 were injured and one killed.

Egypt’s popular uprising had come under a heavy and brutal assault nine days after it began. This was the true face of the U.S.-backed Mubarak regime that had repressed the Egyptian people for so many years. But this time, the whole world was watching.

While many pro-democracy demonstrators left Tahrir for the safety of their homes, a significant number remain inside, vowing not to leave until Mubarak does. It remains to be seen how the protesters will respond but Friday will undoubtedly be a decisive day.

Sharif Abdel Kouddous is a senior producer for the radio/TV show Democracy Now.

http://www.democracynow.org/blog/2011/2 ... rak_regime

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby wintler2 » Wed Feb 02, 2011 9:05 pm

Laodicean wrote:This ain't no disco.

No, it is highly organised covert violence by the State, out in broad daylight. Watch as our 'free' western media ignores that & reports on pro and anti mubarak forces, e.g. The Independent article above
..Now however Mr Mubarak appears to have called that bluff. In a final gambit to retain power, he seems to have called out his supporters on the streets ..
- no, he ordered his paid thugs to attack citizens, not the same thing at all.

But nothing to see here folks, just a local dispute between uncivilised wogs who 'lack a democratic heritage'.

Anti-american slogans? why ever would they crop up?
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby eyeno » Wed Feb 02, 2011 9:21 pm

Is Al Jazeera the only people doing live video feed? Where else have you guys found good video feed?
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby crikkett » Wed Feb 02, 2011 9:30 pm

vanlose kid wrote:
wintler2 wrote:...

Beware of pretty illusions, eg. that the army was pro-people.

Image

http://ht.ly/3PaSh

news broken on twitter via @weddady...
Army officer crying after thugs attack on protesters RT @Pazuzu_hsp: wow today's fav http://ht.ly/3PaSh via @waelabbas #Jan25

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/t/army-of ... 52160.html


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false pic cos there was tear gas bombs from unknown source the soldier affected and thats a doctor
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby vanlose kid » Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:00 pm

crikkett wrote:
vanlose kid wrote:
wintler2 wrote:...

Beware of pretty illusions, eg. that the army was pro-people.

Image

http://ht.ly/3PaSh

news broken on twitter via @weddady...
Army officer crying after thugs attack on protesters RT @Pazuzu_hsp: wow today's fav http://ht.ly/3PaSh via @waelabbas #Jan25

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/t/army-of ... 52160.html


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One of the comments on that image:
@kabilola wrote: about an hour ago
false pic cos there was tear gas bombs from unknown source the soldier affected and thats a doctor


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vanlose kid wrote:Robert Fisk: Blood and fear in Cairo's streets as Mubarak's men crack down on protests
The sky was filled with rocks. The fighting around me was so terrible we could smell the blood
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And there was the soldier on an armoured personnel carrier who let the stones of both sides fly past him until he jumped on to the road among Mubarak's enemies, putting his arms around them, tears coursing down his face...


http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/co ... 02657.html

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby vanlose kid » Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:05 pm

having the cake and eating it.

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Game over: The chance for democracy in Egypt is lost
Posted By Robert Springborg Wednesday, February 2, 2011 - 4:23 PM

While much of American media has termed the events unfolding in Egypt today as "clashes between pro-government and opposition groups," this is not in fact what's happening on the street. The so-called "pro-government" forces are actually Mubarak's cleverly orchestrated goon squads dressed up as pro-Mubarak demonstrators to attack the protesters in Midan Tahrir, with the Army appearing to be a neutral force. The opposition, largely cognizant of the dirty game being played against it, nevertheless has had little choice but to call for protection against the regime's thugs by the regime itself, i.e., the military. And so Mubarak begins to show us just how clever and experienced he truly is. The game is, thus, more or less over.

The threat to the military's control of the Egyptian political system is passing. Millions of demonstrators in the street have not broken the chain of command over which President Mubarak presides. Paradoxically the popular uprising has even ensured that the presidential succession will not only be engineered by the military, but that an officer will succeed Mubarak. The only possible civilian candidate, Gamal Mubarak, has been chased into exile, thereby clearing the path for the new vice president, Gen. Omar Suleiman. The military high command, which under no circumstances would submit to rule by civilians rooted in a representative system, can now breathe much more easily than a few days ago. It can neutralize any further political pressure from below by organizing Hosni Mubarak's exile, but that may well be unnecessary.

The president and the military, have, in sum, outsmarted the opposition and, for that matter, the Obama administration. They skillfully retained the acceptability and even popularity of the Army, while instilling widespread fear and anxiety in the population and an accompanying longing for a return to normalcy. When it became clear last week that the Ministry of Interior's crowd-control forces were adding to rather than containing the popular upsurge, they were suddenly and mysteriously removed from the street. Simultaneously, by releasing a symbolic few prisoners from jail; by having plainclothes Ministry of Interior thugs engage in some vandalism and looting (probably including that in the Egyptian National Museum); and by extensively portraying on government television an alleged widespread breakdown of law and order, the regime cleverly elicited the population's desire for security. While some of that desire was filled by vigilante action, it remained clear that the military was looked to as the real protector of personal security and the nation as a whole. Army units in the streets were under clear orders to show their sympathy with the people.

In the meantime the regime used the opportunity to place the military in more direct control of the government while projecting an image of business as usual. In addition to securing the presidential succession to Gen. Omar Suleiman, retired general and presidential confidant Ahmed Shafiq was sworn in as prime minister, along with a new cabinet, in all due televised pomp and ceremony. Gamal's unpopular crony businessmen supporters were jettisoned from the cabinet, with their replacements being political nonentities. Mubarak himself pledged that the new government would focus on providing material security to the people.

The stage was thus set for the regime to counterattack the opposition through a combination of divide-and-rule tactics, political jujitsu, and crude application of force. The pledge by Mubarak not to offer his candidacy, the implied succession to Suleiman rather than Gamal, the commitment to revising constitutional provisions that govern the presidential election, and the decision to suspend parliamentary sessions until courts have ruled on contested candidacies from the November election succeeded in convincing some opposition elements that they had gained enough to call it a victory and go home.

As for those elements, including the coalition formed around Mohamed elBaradei, that deemed these concessions to be insufficient sops intended to preserve the status quo, the regime offered further provocations. Mubarak described them as opportunists and called their patriotism into question, implying that they were stooges of the United States and that he was defending the nation's independence and dignity. This was classic political jujitsu, for the enraged crowd now redoubled its efforts and demands, using much more insulting language to describe Mubarak himself. This in turn paved the way for the regime to unleash its goon squads to attack protesters.

The military will now enter into negotiations with opposition elements that it chooses. The real opposition will initially be ignored, and then possibly rounded up. The regime will do all possible to restore a sense of business as usual. Cell phone and Internet connections have already been re-established, and automatic teller machines are functioning, though banks remain closed so there can be no run on them. Businesses will be encouraged to reopen, and all possible will be done to ensure a flow of essential supplies into Cairo, Alexandria, and Suez.

The last challenge remaining is economic. Even before demonstrations broke out a few weeks ago, the economy was just limping along. It is now broken. Even in the best-case scenario of a rapid return to stability, Egypt faces a cash crunch. Capital flight, loss of foreign direct investment, drying up of tourist revenues, downgrading of sovereign debt and commensurate increase in interest, and lost earnings from interrupted production will all hammer the revenue side of the balance sheet. The expenditure side will be placed under yet more stress by acceleration of inflation already running at 10 percent, devaluation of the currency, and need to repair damage resulting from the clashes. Egypt will have to turn to its "friends" if it is to avert economic disaster and if the regime that just narrowly survived defeat is not to be challenged yet again.

The Obama administration, having already thrown its weight behind the military, if not Mubarak personally, thereby facilitating the outcome just described, can be expected to redouble its already bad gamble. Fearing once again that the regime might be toppled, it will lean on the Europeans, the Saudis, and others to come to Egypt's aid. The final nail will be driven into the coffin of the failed democratic transition in Egypt. It will be back to business as usual with a repressive, U.S.-backed military regime, only now the opposition will be much more radical and probably yet more Islamist. The historic opportunity to have a democratic Egypt led by those with whom the U.S., Europe, and even Israel could do business will have been lost, maybe forever. Uncle Sam will have to eat yet more humble pie, served up by the dictator who has just been insulting him.

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby crikkett » Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:49 pm

vanlose kid wrote:pick and choose.

I'm not saying that the story didn't happen. That could very well be a photograph of a doctor examining a tear gas victim, instead of the soldier who joined the protesters. However I don't think it can do much harm if everyone thinks it's *the* crying soldier.

Sometimes a good story is worth hanging on to.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby Jeff » Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:37 pm

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Patrick Martin wrote:The assault on Tahrir overshadowed the fact that the bulk of the pro-Mubarak protests were non-violent and showed the genuine love many Egyptian people feel for their President. They also demonstrated contempt for the Tahrir protesters and showed how insulted they feel at how their leader has been treated.

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His insistence on finishing his term – which ends late this year – and to die on Egyptian soil, touched a nerve with many Egyptians. They don’t see the need to have him resign immediately.

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“They overplayed their hand,” a senior Western diplomat said. “The victory was theirs but they wanted an unconditional surrender.” And after that speech, such a surrender wasn’t in the cards, he said.

“They saw the precedent in Tunis, where the opposition refused to compromise. And they got greedy,” the diplomat said. “It was a mistake.”

“Most Egyptians think the guy deserves to go in dignity.”


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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby Project Willow » Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:44 pm

The gun fire now is harrowing, just horrible to hear.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby Project Willow » Thu Feb 03, 2011 12:37 am

RT @JShahryar #Egypt: 5 Dead, 15 Injured in Tahrir Square So Far this Morning http://tinyurl.com/5ukrq7l
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