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Re: The Libya thread

Postby eyeno » Tue Aug 23, 2011 7:29 pm

eyeno wrote:Bob Tuskin interviews Susan Lindauer about what is really happening in Libya. Interesting interview.

http://www.oraclebroadcasting.com/archi ... 22_16k.mp3



For those who have not listened to this interview, I recommend it. It covers a lot of ground and is interesting. I never realized how much of the oil revenue he gave back to the people. Married couples, according to this interview anyway, got over 50,000 dollars to set up a house, etc...It appears as if he gave a lot of the oil revenue back to the people. What qualifies as a lot? Well I don't know, but maybe more than most dictators... The literacy rate, according to this interview is one of the highest in the world. College educations were free with a stipend for living expenses. Healthcare was provided according to Susan. The dictator may be a crazy bat but it appears as if he took relatively good care of his people. According to Susan the poverty rate was less than 5%, etc...

She left me with the impression that his people like him for the most part.

He is known for being crafty. If they find his gold without finding him and torturing him for it I might be surprised.
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Re: The Libya thread

Postby semper occultus » Tue Aug 23, 2011 7:50 pm

any news on 'ole crazy Muammar's all-female crack squad of pneumatic knock 'em dead close protection specialists ?

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...Entitled Shadows of a Leader: Qaddafi's Female Bodyguards, Ajami focuses on how this group of women sets an example for Libyan society and womens' roles within it. In an interview published in the New York Times, Ajami stated:
"'It's showing the notion of the female bodyguard as being these women who are liberated and how it extends to all sectors of society...Bodyguards are really a symbol of this new feminism that exists. One wonders, once Qaddafi is no longer there, will the women still have this future? Do they have a future without him?'

lallalydia.blogspot.com


...guess they'll shortly be able to find out...
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Re: The Libya thread

Postby eyeno » Tue Aug 23, 2011 8:45 pm

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Re: The Libya thread

Postby eyeno » Tue Aug 23, 2011 9:13 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mtAOCwJCW0&NR=1



what did i do wrong on part two mods?

and this one is good!

it has 4 parts i think.
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Re: The Libya thread

Postby eyeno » Tue Aug 23, 2011 9:35 pm

And why is not Farrakhan dead like Kennedy and Martin Luther King?
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Re: The Libya thread

Postby kenoma » Tue Aug 23, 2011 10:00 pm

eyeno wrote:And why is not Farrakhan dead like Kennedy and Martin Luther King?


Because reductive caricature and the media's power of anathema are these days much more powerful silencing weapons than assassination.

I've only heard one part of Farrakhan's speech so far, but it was very cogent. Thanks for that eyeno.
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Re: The Libya thread

Postby eyeno » Tue Aug 23, 2011 10:06 pm

part 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwbDPQiSf4w&NR=1



(thanx barracuda for help on posting part 2)
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Re: The Libya thread

Postby eyeno » Tue Aug 23, 2011 10:17 pm

I am not a participant in religion but I cannot deny the wisdom of these words...all 4 parts.

part 4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKRf3TQQ ... re=related

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Re: The Libya thread

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Aug 23, 2011 10:18 pm

Gadhafi says he retreated from besieged compound
Updated 16m ago

TRIPOLI, Libya (AP) – A TV channel is quoting Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi as saying he retreated from his Tripoli compound in a "tactical move" after 64 NATO airstrikes turned it to rubble.

Members of the Tripoli National Council enter the Radisson hotel for a meeting Tuesday in Tripoli, Libya. Hundreds of Libyan rebels stormed Moammar Gadhafi's compound Tuesday.

By Sergey Ponomarev, AP

Members of the Tripoli National Council enter the Radisson hotel for a meeting Tuesday in Tripoli, Libya. Hundreds of Libyan rebels stormed Moammar Gadhafi's compound Tuesday.

Al-Rai TV said Wednesday it would air the comments from Gadhafi in full soon and reported an excerpt in which the leader of Libya's crumbling regime vows his forces will resist "the aggression with all strength" until either victory or death.

It was not clear from the remarks when Gadhafi abandoned the Bab al-Azaziya compound, which was overrun by rebel fighters Tuesday.

The rebel force entered the compound after fighting for five hours with Gadhafi loyalists outside, using mortars, heavy machine guns and anti-aircraft guns. They killed some of those who defended the compound and hauled off thousands of rifles, crates of weapons and trucks with guns mounted on the back in a frenzy of looting.
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Re: The Libya thread

Postby StarmanSkye » Tue Aug 23, 2011 11:19 pm

MAN -- Part Two is awesome. Dat Minister do Tell It!

How I WISH our leaders could be forced to watch & listen to this talk 60-24-7-54 until they 'get it'.

I almost could hope America WOULD put troops on the ground, have them fight shoulder-to-shoulder with their 'Al Qeada' rebel brothers-in-arms, now THAT would be a rich contradiction for the White House and Pentagon to 'explain' to a baffled and bewildered public!

I absolutely DESPISE hypocrisy, especially that which is so self-righteous & self-enriching that it excuses itself, that harms people and destroys nations, that tramples justice and renders rights inconsequential, that poisons hearts and cripples minds.

The moral rot that infects America has been festering for over 50 years, its getting harder and harder to ignore or excuse-away. As it gets easier and easier to point-out and condemn.
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Re: The Libya thread

Postby eyeno » Tue Aug 23, 2011 11:28 pm

StarmanSkye wrote:MAN -- Part Two is awesome. Dat Minister do Tell It!

How I WISH our leaders could be forced to watch & listen to this talk 60-24-7-54 until they 'get it'.

I almost could hope America WOULD put troops on the ground, have them fight shoulder-to-shoulder with their 'Al Qeada' rebel brothers-in-arms, now THAT would be a rich contradiction for the White House and Pentagon to 'explain' to a baffled and bewildered public!

I absolutely DESPISE hypocrisy, especially that which is so self-righteous & self-enriching that it excuses itself, that harms people and destroys nations, that tramples justice and renders rights inconsequential, that poisons hearts and cripples minds.

The moral rot that infects America has been festering for over 50 years, its getting harder and harder to ignore or excuse-away. As it gets easier and easier to point-out and condemn.


Yes, in part 2 he sticks it up the snout. part 2 is probably the best of all 4 parts.
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Re: The Libya thread

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Wed Aug 24, 2011 12:42 am

JackRiddler wrote:
seemslikeadream wrote:I suspected he was underground 8)


Two possibilities for you, deary:

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wait, got to throw in this one too:

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That from all the coke?
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Re: The Libya thread

Postby tazmic » Wed Aug 24, 2011 11:57 am

Is anybody going to Al-Jazeera for news these days?

First and foremost Western leaders need to wipe that smug look from their faces and make sure not to gloat about doing the Arabs any favours.

Certainly the NATO aerial bombardment did help, but this was a revolutionaries' victory par excellence. The battle was won first and foremost in the hearts of the Libyans, just as with the Egyptians and Tunisians before them.

Marwan Bishara is Al Jazeera's senior political analyst.
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Re: The Libya thread

Postby dqueue » Wed Aug 24, 2011 12:10 pm

In this post, Joseph Cannon raises some poignant question regarding Libya. He references an old radio show which discusses two "rogue" CIA agents Ed Wilson and Frank Terpil. To crib quotes he cited which describe the radio show:
Moham­mar Khadafy’s ter­ror­ist cadre, the Red Brigades and Car­los the Jackal were allegedly among the recip­i­ents of Wil­son and Terpil’s expertise.

Although they sup­pos­edly per­formed as rene­gades, they claimed that their activ­i­ties sup­port­ive of “left” ter­ror were per­formed at the bequest of U.S. intel­li­gence.

Pro­gram High­lights Include: the group’s use of active-duty Green Berets to train Khadafy’s ter­ror­ists; Ed Wilson’s oper­a­tion of Task Force 157, an intel­li­gence oper­a­tion that spawned the Nugan Hand Bank (a CIA-connected bank that laun­dered drug and arms deal prof­its); Wilson’s role in bro­ker­ing ship­ments of U.S. arms to Egypt; Eye­wit­ness sub­stan­ti­a­tion of the duo’s con­nec­tion to Car­los the Jackal; the role of for­mer CIA offi­cials Theodore Shack­ley and Thomas Clines in Ter­pil and Wilson’s activ­i­ties; the untimely deaths of numer­ous wit­nesses to, or par­tic­i­pants in, the pair’s oper­a­tions; Wilson’s past oper­a­tions for CIA, includ­ing the Bay of Pigs project and the U-2 spy plane; Wilson’s alleged role in procur­ing explo­sives for the assas­si­na­tion of Orlando Lete­lier; Wilson’s con­nec­tions to Repub­li­can king­maker Robert Keith Gray; alle­ga­tions of con­nec­tions between Ter­pil and a drug-smuggling gang known as “The Com­pany;” Terpil’s claims that drug prof­its from the above-mentioned Nugan Hand Bank sus­tained U.S. elec­tronic sur­veil­lance facil­i­ties in Aus­tralia; state­ments from for­mer U.S. intel­li­gence offi­cers that the Terpil-Wilson oper­a­tions in Libya were, indeed, offi­cially sanc­tioned; alle­ga­tions that a “tame CIA insider” deflected Con­gres­sional inquiries into Ter­pil and Wilson’s activ­i­ties; Libyan strong­man Khadafy’s bankrolling of the Pal­adin Group, a fas­cist mer­ce­nary orga­ni­za­tion; a Latin-American assas­si­na­tion con­sor­tium known as “Oper­a­tion Condor.”


Will developments in Libya allow informed responses to any such inquiries? Or has that all been swept away?
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Re: The Libya thread

Postby StarmanSkye » Wed Aug 24, 2011 2:03 pm

Another aspect of CIA-linked dirty-tricks connection to the Lockerbie frame-up and cover-up.

It always gets me when individuals deep in the Military industrial Complex and Intel/Security racket find themselves in the shit, targetted by the very same unscrupulous forces they faithfully served for so long, suddenly surprised at how treacherous, venal and ruthless these forces are despite having seen their dishonourable, corrupted nature from their priveleged front-row up-close association.

I guess he was OK with it as long as he was well-recompensed with luxurious perks like wealth and status and could keep his hands relatively clean, but when his Pentagon-mob bosses asked him to pull his weight and he balked, THEN he grows a conscience and takes their bitter retribution personally.

Its kinda hard to feel sorry for this guy, considering how much misery and suffering he abetted by playing his dutiful role as facilitator hand-holding Congress as a MIC gopher. But I DO honour his courage in taking a stand in telling his tale so a lesson CAN be learned.
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