TRUMP is seriously dangerous

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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Iamwhomiam » Sun Feb 28, 2016 7:06 pm

Believe in reincarnation?
Benito Mussolini died on April 28, 1945
Trump was born on June 14, 1946.
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Postby 82_28 » Sun Feb 28, 2016 7:25 pm

I wouldn't go that far but he did grow up or was born in that milieu.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Belligerent Savant » Sun Feb 28, 2016 10:18 pm

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I wasn't aware Trump was Italian.

Is his actual birth name Trumpalone, perhaps?


Otherwise I'd be hard-pressed to find a similarity.

Benito Mussolini was born at Dovia di Predappio, Italy, on July 29, 1883. The Mussolinis were a poor family who lived in a crowded two-bedroom apartment.

http://www.notablebiographies.com/Mo-Ni ... enito.html

Il Duce was also no business man or real estate developer; he joined the Socialist party shortly after a brief stint in the military.

Trump is a better than average con man with substantial monetary resources (much of it inherited, though it's tough to know what his actual net worth may be at the moment -- OPTICS "trumps" reality).

In other words, they aren't similar, other than the fact they're both capitalizing on an increasing swell of public frustration. Timing is everything, as they say. Simply fortuitous, or is there some subconscious/collective groupthink manifesting itself in this (cyclical) shared reality we're currently witnessing?

Perhaps theoretical physics may one day provide the answer... in the meantime, we continue to observe in shock and awe.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Iamwhomiam » Mon Feb 29, 2016 2:56 am

Oh, BS, it's all in fun. And there are curious similarities between the two.

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And this historical, hysterical footnote:

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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby 8bitagent » Mon Feb 29, 2016 3:56 am

In my 9 years on RI, I don't think I could have predicted the hyper surreal 2016 election, and boy do things look like they have barely just gotten started.
Just my five cents on the whole Trump matter:

1. The extreme hatred of Hillary on the left, especially in light of her deep racist policies of the 1990s, is really going to hurt her chances of beating her husband's
(ex?) golfing buddy Donald Trump. It's weird to square how every hour thousands of my fellow leftists are both posting extreme hatred at Trump but also Hillary.
Yet it's pretty much clear she will be the nominee, be it through DNC vote rigging or whatever. And I been Bernie or bust from day one last year, but what a
weird position people have gotten themselves into. I definitely can see a scenario where half of the left decides not to vote to spite Hillary, allowing for a Trump victory.

2. It kind of sucks to see a front runner for the Presidency say some GOOD things no Republican would ever say: how horrible the Iraq war was, saying 9/11 was by the Saudis and a big fat cover up, that Planned Parenthood
does a lot of good things for women, that its unacceptable to allow people to not have a medical mandate, say we need to bring back jobs from overseas, and other progressive views...
only to admire Mussolini and refuse to disavow his huge neo nazi/klan/alt right fan base today on the Sunday programs. I can't make heads or tails of it. The Clintons and other (once?)
close friends of Trump said he supported liberal policies(pro choice, gay marriage, anti war) YET in 1989 he was calling for the obviously framed and innocent Central Park 5 to be executed.
In 2013 he went on Howard Stern to say he never liked gay people, and in 2012 he tweeted that Black and Latino men were behind most of America's crime. So there's this very long
pattern of Trump playing both liberal yet also far right winger.

It's odd to say the least. Clearly Hillary, Rubio and evangelical doomsdayer Cruz want so bad to launch a world war against Iran, Russia and Syria. So people have to wonder,
do we support the "less racist" pro war establishment, or the more nationalist/anti war but sickening xenophobia of Trump? What a clusterfuck.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby 82_28 » Mon Feb 29, 2016 5:24 am

You said it! Where the hell you been anyway?
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Postby 82_28 » Mon Feb 29, 2016 8:15 am

Alright. Watch Drumpf get utterly obliterated by John Oliver. Seriously eviscerated. Like seriously destroyed It's not even funny really but genius. The numbers of viewers are pretty small now but this will go viral.

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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Mon Feb 29, 2016 8:33 am

Man, America has become an insanely violent place -- all this DESTRUCTION going on, just a constant video clip bloodbath splattering across our social media feeds...and it's got to stop.

Hot Takes, man; I question the utility value beyond building your personal brand. (Yeah, I said it.) Stephen Colbert Cattle Mutilates Glenn Beck's Mormon Hypocrisy and yet Beck just keeps on plugging away, and Colbert never gets questions at press conferences about the blood on his hands. Matt Taibbi Rips Lloyd Blankfein's Heart Out Through His Throat and yet Blankfein's bonus will go up this year, too, and so will Taibbi's salary. One consistent trend in this carnival of ultraviolence though -- the spectators stay getting fucked.

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At least some monsters have dropped out of the race, yeah? Buck up, y'all. This is only a drinking game.
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Postby Belligerent Savant » Mon Feb 29, 2016 11:08 am

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Branding and marketing the BRAND, irrespective of facts.
It's what keeps 'Murica running.

82: that was a solid takedown of DRUMPF by Oliver; unfortunately most of DRUMPF's demographic won't catch it (or even know who Oliver is)... unless of course it goes ultra-VIRAL. And that's where We, The People, can affect change. By "liking" and "sharing" a link to increase its VIRALITY. That's the closest we may come to approximating a 'democratic process'.
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Postby Luther Blissett » Mon Feb 29, 2016 11:30 am

After that indigenous guy squared up against those klansmen this weekend and got stabbed for it, I spent last night cooking and listening to Neutral Milk Hotel and Marvin Gaye and meditating on what it means for Trump to say he doesn't know anything about white supremacists while paying attention to both those records.

I felt as though "What's Going On" in particular gave me clarity into Trump's function. The record is known for its plea His usefulness lies in helping to usher in what culture commonly sketches out as dystopia in fiction and popular media. Three young Muslims killed in Indiana over the weekend, execution-style. TPP ushering in a completely unknown environment. The arctic magically melting in winter darkness. Magic Leap preparing to take humans further apart from one another. There's definitely a faction of powers that can use him to help create an atmosphere somewhere on the spectrum between Elysium and Fury Road.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby backtoiam » Mon Feb 29, 2016 1:57 pm

Luther said:
TPP ushering in a completely unknown environment.


That ain't no shit. True spoken. That will be a modern day Pandora's Box. What all flies out of that remains to be seen.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Harvey » Mon Feb 29, 2016 7:09 pm

By appealing to all the dark little souls who dance around their nastier inclinations to feel okay about themselves, Trump is relieving the psychic burden of American guilt. He's hit pay dirt.

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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby SonicG » Mon Feb 29, 2016 8:44 pm

Wombaticus Rex » Mon Feb 29, 2016 7:33 pm wrote:Man, America has become an insanely violent place -- all this DESTRUCTION going on, just a constant video clip bloodbath splattering across our social media feeds...and it's got to stop.

Hot Takes, man; I question the utility value beyond building your personal brand. (Yeah, I said it.) Stephen Colbert Cattle Mutilates Glenn Beck's Mormon Hypocrisy and yet Beck just keeps on plugging away, and Colbert never gets questions at press conferences about the blood on his hands. Matt Taibbi Rips Lloyd Blankfein's Heart Out Through His Throat and yet Blankfein's bonus will go up this year, too, and so will Taibbi's salary. One consistent trend in this carnival of ultraviolence though -- the spectators stay getting fucked.

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At least some monsters have dropped out of the race, yeah? Buck up, y'all. This is only a drinking game.


Noice one...I'm assuming the media will start to go for Trump's jugular soon enough...He's such a juicy target with a long past of skeletons to dredge up. I thought I saw something about how Rand will be the brokered candidate at the convention...but all I can find is Paul coming out against it:
Paul said the establishment has to realize that across the country Republican voters are unhappy with GOP leaders in Washington. “And they’re sick and tired of it,” he said. “So if they see their will thwarted through the primary process, I think you’re gonna find that there’ll be a war declared or there’ll be a war that the establishment has decided to declare on the grassroots, and it’s gonna be a real problem.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/r ... z41bjGulQT

And it is very true. It is going to be an absolute shit show with a lot of frustrated nutjobs if Trump doesn't become the candidate now...
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby 8bitagent » Tue Mar 01, 2016 2:21 am

On November 9th, when progressives, leftists and democrats wonder how the hell Donald Trump became president elect...they can simply look at how Team Hillary and her DNC cohorts completely rigged
the election against Sanders. Some people think that some of the pro Bernie left is somehow going to galvanize and goosestep in line with racist wallstreet warmonger Hillary Clinton and her Bill Cosby husband...maybe some will, but I suspect more than half of millennials will choose not to vote. As well as a lot of older Bernie supporters.

Bernie Sanders is who America may need, but close Clinton family friend Donald Trump is who America may deserve. So dismiss all the angry toxic rhetoric by all the liberals on your facebook or twitter feed, this election is over. And the left only has itself to blame for not disavowing Clinton sooner
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Harvey » Tue Mar 01, 2016 7:16 am

8bitagent wrote:On November 9th, when progressives, leftists and democrats wonder how the hell Donald Trump became president elect...they can simply look at how Team Hillary and her DNC cohorts completely rigged
the election against Sanders. Some people think that some of the pro Bernie left is somehow going to galvanize and goosestep in line with racist wallstreet warmonger Hillary Clinton and her Bill Cosby husband...maybe some will, but I suspect more than half of millennials will choose not to vote. As well as a lot of older Bernie supporters.

Bernie Sanders is who America may need, but close Clinton family friend Donald Trump is who America may deserve. So dismiss all the angry toxic rhetoric by all the liberals on your facebook or twitter feed, this election is over. And the left only has itself to blame for not disavowing Clinton sooner


You're spot on 8bit except to add that neo-liberal and neoconservative are two terms for the same ideology, the genuine 'left' leaning voter has been confused for a long time by the appearance of diversity in politics. There is none, except that Democrats tend to be better stewards admittedly, the larger frame however is identical. TPP as a case in point.
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