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Gnomad » 13 Jan 2023 08:07 wrote:stickdog99 » Fri Jan 13, 2023 1:52 am wrote:Here's what I don't understand.
How does anything Musk is, think, does or doesn't do impinge one iota on the real story of the Twitter files he has released, which is clear, unambiguous proof that many US federal agencies were directing state censorship by micromanaging Twitter employees? And, of course, the exact same applies to Google, Youtube, Facebook, Reddit, and every other major online platform.
It's like saying that Assange's supposed untoward sexual proclivities and political allegiances somehow negate everything ever released by Wikileaks.
How does anyone still fall for this shit?
That is not an either / or thing. That was my whole point.
Of course the government meddling is true.
Now we just have a modern day billionaire emerald miner anti-union Henry Ford also using a large media platform to push his personal agenda while claiming to be a free speech warrior, while he is banning and suppressing anyone he does not like, and allowing doxxing of trans people and minorities and hate against them.
How does anyone fall for that?
And fuck all billionaires. They should not exist at all.
And fuck the US government as well.
Are you seriously comparing Musk to Assange there? That is really something.
Harvey » 16 Jan 2023 23:10 wrote:Don't see any problem simultaneously holding in mind that Musk is not our friend, that the releases are probably a fairly limited selection, that they do in fact prove collusion of state agencies and government officials with big tech to illegally limit freedom of speech and de facto, a grand conspiracy.
stickdog99 » Tue Jan 17, 2023 1:51 am wrote:I get your point. Obviously, I do not consider Musk an ally, and I certainly question his motives.
But if the Twitter File revelations of the US government's undeniable micromanaging of the clear shredding of the First Amendment are so non-threatening, why haven't they been aired by any establishment media source other than to dismiss them as an "old news nothing-burger" and to denigrate their source, just as you are?
The Tech Transparency Project had already raised concerns about one of the companies last year: Lens Technology, a major supplier of iPhone cover glass as well as Amazon and Tesla. Apple claimed that it found no Uyghur workers transferred to Lens. But this new investigation found multiple Chinese state media reports directly contradicting Apple’s denials.
The report flagged that Apple still has not publicly disclosed all its hundreds of suppliers. One demand the Uyghur Solidarity Campaign UK (USC) raises is for new laws to force big capitalists to open the books: to audit their supply chains right back to source (not just in China, but worldwide) and publish everything. This information would help empower workers and rights groups to organise and act.
How do you become the richest man in the world? In Elon Musk’s case, part of it involves making workers in China put in hours that would be unacceptable according to labor norms elsewhere.
On Tuesday, the Tesla boss praised Chinese factory workers for pulling extreme hours while taking a shot at American workers. “There is just a lot of super talented hardworking people in China who strongly believe in manufacturing,” the billionaire said. “They won’t just be burning the midnight oil, they will be burning the 3am oil, they won’t even leave the factory type of thing, whereas in America people are trying to avoid going to work at all.”
Musk’s comment comes as Tesla’s massive Shanghai “Giga-factory” pushes its workers to the limit to meet production targets amid an ongoing pandemic lockdown.
In April, Tesla restricted its Shanghai workers from leaving the factory under a so-called “closed-loop” system originally developed by Chinese authorities to contain Beijing Olympics participants. While locked inside, the workers were reportedly made to work 12-hour shifts, six days in a row, and to sleep on factory floors. Production at the plant was forced to halt this week due to parts shortages, the company said.
Why the Twitter Files actually matter
Twitter’s previous management made some controversial political decisions. Some of them haven’t held up.
Many inclined to distrust what they see as Big Tech’s liberal leanings have cried vindication. The documents show in detail how Twitter made key content moderation decisions that disadvantaged Trump, conservatives, and people who broke with the public health consensus on Covid-19. They say the evidence proves that, again and again, Twitter intervened to squelch speech that the liberal establishment didn’t like.
Meanwhile, others — including most liberals and many mainstream journalists — are unimpressed. They say Twitter’s policies here were already known and that the specific decisions in question — blocking a story they feared stemmed from a foreign hack, banning the account of President Trump after he incited an insurrection, and deboosting accounts spreading public health misinformation — generally seem at least defensible.
The discourse has quickly become one of us versus them — perfect for Twitter. The journalists to whom Musk gave the documents — most prominently, Substackers Matt Taibbi and Bari Weiss — are outspoken, unsparing critics of what they believe is the “woke” liberal groupthink that pervades mainstream American media institutions, making them now effectively allies of the right in the culture war. Musk’s behavior since buying Twitter has made him a villain to the left, too.
The Twitter Files has not featured a full installment about Covid-19 yet, but Musk has promised, “It is coming bigtime.” In part two of the series, though, Weiss showed that Stanford School of Medicine professor Jay Bhattacharya had been placed on a Twitter “Trends Blacklist” — preventing his tweets from showing up in trending topics searches.
After this, Bhattacharya tweeted that, during a visit to Twitter headquarters at Musk’s invitation this week, employees told him he was placed on that blacklist the first day he joined Twitter, in August 2021 and that he believes it must have been because of this tweet:
Mortality from #COVID19 differs more than a thousand-fold between the old and young. Focused protection is the compassionate approach that balances COVID risks and collateral damage to public health.https://t.co/63I0hcZK1J
— Jay Bhattacharya (@DrJBhattacharya) August 23, 2021
The link there was to the Great Barrington Declaration, a controversial October 2020 open letter by Bhattacharya and two other professors arguing that only those people most vulnerable to the virus should continue to lock down and distance, while everyone else should “resume life as normal,” which would result in them getting the virus and, hopefully, “herd immunity” in the population. Shortly afterward, 80 other public health experts responded with their own letter calling their herd immunity theory “a dangerous fallacy unsupported by scientific evidence.”
When the Covid-19 pandemic broke out, Twitter again grappled with the topic of “misinformation.” As with Trump (and with hate speech), Twitter executives likely believed lives could well hinge on their decisions. So by May 2020, the company announced it would remove or label tweets that “directly pose a risk to someone’s health or well-being,” such as encouragements that people disregard social distancing guidelines.
But the company essentially defined “misinformation” as whatever went against the public health establishment’s current conventional wisdom. And as time passed, Covid quickly became another issue where conservatives and some journalists came to deeply distrust that establishment, viewing it as making mistakes and giving politically slanted guidance.
The situation took another turn when President Biden took office. By the summer of 2021, his administration was trying to encourage widespread vaccine adoption in the hope the pandemic could be ended entirely. (The omicron variant, which sufficiently evaded vaccines to end that hope, was not yet circulating.) Toward that end, administration officials publicly demanded social companies do more to fight misinformation, and poured private pressure on the companies to delete certain specific accounts.
All that is to say that there is a thorny question here about whether the government should be trying to get individual people who have violated no laws banned from social media. And from the standpoint of 2022, when the US has adopted a return-to-normal policy without universal vaccination or the virus being suppressed, and when there’s increased attention on whether school lockdowns harmed children, some reflection may be called for about what constitutes misinformation and what constitutes opinions people may have about policy in a free society.
“… a favorite and frequently used gimmick of clandestine professionals. When their veil of secrecy is shredded and they can no longer rely on a phony cover story to misinform the public, they resort to admitting, sometimes even volunteering, some of the truth while still managing to withhold the key and damaging facts in the case. The public, however, is usually so intrigued by the new information that it never thinks to pursue the matter further.”
Musk enlisted the help of several journalists, including Matt Taibbi, Bari Weiss, Michael Shellenberger and Lee Fang. Apparently, his one request was that any information found must first be revealed on Twitter.
On 2 December, the first instalment of the Twitter files was released with the most recent, ninth part, published on Christmas Eve.
So, what have we learnt so far?
Benjamin Carlson provides a good summary:
History changed because of this:
Hunter Biden’s alleged corruption censored;
Covid 19 lockdown debate stifled;
Trump silenced.
You may agree with each decision. But there is no denying that halting information flow and free debate had real consequences.
Many things called conspiracy theories were true:
FBI was working with Twitter and paid them million of dollars;
Blacklists and shadow bans were real;
US intel lobbied to censor accounts;
Covid-19 conversation was heavily manipulated;
Twitter rules changed and enforced by whim.
Censorship is being cloaked in the language of safety:
‘Safety, harm, violence’ redefined to apply to ideas;
Opinions and information deemed ‘unsafe’ subject to silencing;
Jokes, memes, questions about the origin of Covid off limits.
The government is policing opinion:
FBI has 80 staff monitoring speech;
Small accounts on left and right flagged;
FBI held frequent meetings with Twitter;
Facebook, Youtube and Instagram = similar?
Private censors & police control what you say and to whom.
Social media executives lie freely:
Twitter execs repeatedly and publicly denied shadow bans;
In reality, bans were in place as “visibility filtering”;
Ultimately, no accountability to public.
Free speech is controlled by a small group:
Biggest decisions in Twitter Files made by 3-4 individuals;
Despite misgivings and doubts, once made, decisions stuck;
Now it’s Musk.
One difference: his embrace of public polls to set policy.
The slippery slope is real:
Staff rebellion led to Trump ban;
Staff called for mover covid-19 censorship;
2021-22 saw increase of bans and ‘one-offs’.
This is how you get Billy Baldwin in the crosshairs.
Once you silence a president, who has a right to speak?
This is all massive stuff but nothing most of us didn’t already know or suspect. And the Fauci files that Musk keeps saying he will release haven’t been published yet.
But the important question is, why have the Main Stream Media barely reported on it? If we had learnt that the secret services in another country had meddled with elections in their country, it would be everywhere. But happens in the West and nothing.
Gnomad » Mon Jan 16, 2023 5:21 pm wrote:I am sorry, but there is no way I can see the previously-worlds-wealthiest person, who is currently building a satellite internet system for DARPA and Pentagon to use for global war, while playing around with Russian agents and kissing the asses of the Qanon and far right fascists of the US after buying Twitter with Saudi oil money, as any kind of a philanthropist leaker of Important Information.
Nope, just can not do it.
If those leaks were any kind of threat for the powerful, Musk would have been Assanged already. Or Chelsea Manninged. Or Reality Winnered. Or Edward Snowdened. You get the picture.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investig ... cup-final/
Some friends he keeps, too. Jared Kushner and the Saudis, Erdogan and Russian propaganda presenters (Nailya Asker-Zade). What a friend of humanity!
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