Alien Abductions and the Monarch Project

[LilyPatToo]

There are a heck of a LOT of those "neverending side trips" on the road to exposing mind control programs, aren't there? And mismarked alternate routes and wonky Detour signs that spin in the breezes caused by passing Flying Monkeys

And I want so much to believe that the Cult really IS close to falling apart. I'm currently reading a book by a RA/MC survivor named Judith K. Moore "Song of Freedom: My Journey from the Abyss" that is the most powerfully (almost indigestibly) New-Age-flavored account I've read yet But between the bloodsugar problems that her Fluffy Bunny-ness brings on and all the spirit guides/shamans/lightworkers/aliens, there is solid Real World information about what happened to her--some of which is clearly Cult and some of which is classic government mind control program crap.

She validated some things for me, brought up some things I'd not thought much about and also triggered a couple of early childhood memories that never made sense at all, one of which happened on a large college campus. My family loved to chuckle over the tale of little Patty playing hooky from *kindergarden* and running across a busy street to hide in the campus Oak Grove of what was then called Indiana State Teachers College.

No one questioned the fact that at 5-6 I was a traumatized, passive little waif of a child who wouldn't have been capable of saying Boo! to a goose, yet I'd done this for weeks without being caught by anyone--!?! What is wrong with this picture?! My teacher or her principal never queried my family about all those absences, my sharp-as-a-tack grandmother never spotted me sneaking back across that busy street when the dismissal bell rang to mingle with the other kids as if I'd been there all morning. And my usually strict mother *laughed it off* when someone finally noticed....

And for Pete's sake--OAK GROVE?! Can you say CULT?!

Jeez.

LilyPat

[kristinerosemary]

boo to a goose! i havent heard that since i left the house of my
western pennsylvania relatives for the last time in the 1960s!

i always wonder about children under ten who habitually wandered
off into oak groves, or fields and woods alone ...

without ever arousing any sort of alarm or even any particular
comment from anyone in the family even when they were
gone for hours ... was this just a normal thing in the 1950s, or
were we, ack, erp...special? heh

[LilyPatToo]

Yeah, we were "special" all right...as in Blue Plate Special I was strictly forbidden to go into White's Woods or to the old RR tunnel, yet spent *hours* at both places. Played in the ruins of the White family mansion and at the crypt--Gothic enough for ya?--built into the wooded hillside. And no one noticed. And at night I dreamed about old men trying to eat me alive. And was suicidal before I learned to read. Just an ordinary, idyllic small-town childhood, huh?

LilyPat

[Evutch]

before i start, if anyone knows one of those bene-haha..whatsis gals who can do the extention thingy...my number is........
i mean, i have blue eyes, and might be willing to get over my aversion to sand, and crawly things..

and i'll stay away from saying any more about portal checking for any humno whatsis when i'm taking care of business.)


ok, business, because there's DO much here to comment on..
pete was a friend of mine in the 60's, late 60's..
through the early 70's.
i met him at a cofee shop. he introduced me to an odd group of seemingly care free college girls in a rented house they called "Random house".
it was on the corner or 8th and Church street. a row house.
they were nice enough, and smart, and for the most part cute, and good for small parties, hippie gatherings, anti war talks..and a doobie once in a while..ok, two or three times a week.., ok, all weekend..
and maybe now and then some demonic breeding..
and they were ALL narcs..
goons, LEIU, and COINTELPRO agents..
Richard Mellon Scaifes lying C---s from hell..
( and if that doesn't get me targeted, i met Newt Gingrich in that very house in 1970, three months before Kent State..)
another for another day..
pete was the one who made sure, i met so and so..
and then, when i didn't "hook up", turn, take on training, or submit, fast enough, he was one of a few who became my cleaner, take a ride guy,
the targeteer, and finger pointer..
he was to do me..

he went to ALL those places you talked about..
he was involved in the ritual sacrifices..

he was deluded in "saving women" actually, i heard the words, "saving aryan women" once..and yet he participated in gang rape and blackmail, to recruit women for the "cell".

he and the bunch of them were also into witchcraft...lilypat may remember, that during the 60-70 changeover witchcraft items, were a BIG seller in stores..

HE's the one that introduced me to Whites Woods..
took me there more than once, and finally to kill me..

during a small encounter, a benign encounter, he was acting, ( and he could act, but this was a genuine affectation)
very upset, i would equate it with fear..
great fear..
and he was at a loss for words..and he was eloquent in his speech, usually..especially when excited, but this time he was agitated..
very agitated..
wide eyed in appearence..
as i said, fear...bordering on terror..
and when i asked him what for?
he couldn't answer..
it was the Innes boy who spoke up, and said they were at the tunnel..
and they saw "it" at the tunnel..and Innes started to explain..
one had to know Innes..he never knew a short story..
didn't say if they saw bob hope, hr puffenstuff..the antichrist, or naked faries dancing..
but as he went through the "we went, we walked, we stopped for a drink, we walked, we said parts of the story, Pete started to get more and more frantic..
finally, he started yelling at Innes to shut the f up..shut up and NEVER tell..
shut up and forget..
it never happened, and never tell anyone or he would get killed..
well, that ruined my chance of hearing the rest of it..
and strangely, i shut up too..
i did my damnedest to put it behind me..
now, i WANTED to remember, and lord knows, i wanted to get nibby on it..
and i know i made a mental note to ask Innes later, figuring, he would blab anything, with the right goading..
but ya know, i forgot about it completely, until you mentioned the tunnel..
so, what was it?
now, i KNOW you have sen thing sthere..
and i know, you know, you saw some odd stuff..
but guys, are guys..
we are mere mortal chauvanist yang oriented, gonad swinging ignorant physical hollow log beating dum dum dancing left ape brained fluid or lead shooting bastards..
and we don't notice odd...
like we don't notice flirting, we don't see shite unless it has boobs or fangs..and is running..as dead still objects don't visulally register..
so..
what DID he see?
and what would he threaten killing for..
because i found out, he would in fact kill..
that it wasn't a threat.
he never went back...i never went over..
and i never found out..
i visited him a few times, not too long ago..to find answers..and he died..
he died with the same look of fear in his eyes, because he was remembering, and he was afraid..
and was afraid of what i might have seen..
and knew..

[Evutch]

mi speling haz gotan mush bter...

but i don't care, cause i'm a guy!!!
and we can kill by yelling real hard...

[LilyPatToo]

Evutch--you mean the tunnel where a guy wearing a WWI vaudeville clown disguise told me in a vivid dream that he'd met me as a child and taught me to be invisible and to turn into pure light? The tunnel where my grandfather turned up dead, after being missing for months in White's Woods? The tunnel where I went on the morning of my Dad's funeral and was formally saluted by two ancient, robotic-acting men riding the rails in a RR Co. truck?

I used to sneak off there to play alone when I was very small and up until I was in my teens. Lost time, few memories, and no one at home seemed to notice that I'd been gone for hours and hours. And when my Dad gave me a man-hating border collie to try to keep me safe on my long, long walks, I somehow hesitated to take him to that tunnel, even though I was scared to go there alone and sometimes ran home after suddenly realizing that that's where I was...with no memory of why I'd come there. Again.

Hope Onesmartrat is reading this thread, because she was forced to pound it into my hard head that I HAD to have had Cult stuff in my past. I completely denied it, argued with her, insisted that just wasn't something that a person would forget. And then she finally decided my initial flow of memories was pretty much stopped and turned me loose at long last on the survivor literature.

She'd been determined to keep my story uncontaminated, so survivor bios were forbidden. And she was SO right about the Satanists---just about every survivor of the trauma-based programs had eventually recovered memories of terrifying rituals that took place in their childhoods. Most had no idea until their memory barriers were breached somehow, many years--or even decades--later that they'd been used in Cult groups first, before the government MC boys got their hands on them.

So I began, very reluctantly, to look for any links that my hometown might have to White Supremacist groups, since they seemed to occasionally harbor "insider" Cult covens. And, to my everlasting amazement, I found an active Aryan group in my home county with members listed who had the identical family names of 2 of the men I'd come to suspect had abused me. AND the family name of the businessman who'd bought me in the restaurant!

And I began to wonder about possible sites--White's Woods was certainly a likely location, but I knew no one that I could ask about it. The two boys I'd been friends with in that "special smart kids class" were gone--one was dead and the other I couldn't trace. And then you wandered in at the Bleak Vault and BINGO! Verification with names AND places

What are the chances?! So glad you stumbled into that hellhole and lived to tell the tale

LilyPat

PS And I used to walk to college art classes with that Innes boy's Dad--one of my professors--they were my grandparents' neighbors on School St. Wish I'd gotten to know him, but I didn't. I really regret that now.

[tesserae]

hi.
i've never posted but i wanted/needed to today. i've been a lurker for a long time.

i'm one of the first multiples/sra on the 'net. i built my website in 1992 and was sort of infamous for it.

in recent years, i had kind of insisted to myself that it wasn't true and i had somehow been caught in some kind of hysteria.

the past 9 months have been horrible for me. i was raped about 9 months ago and then my daughter was molested at school. i ended up back in the mental hosp- 5 hospitalizations between september and march.

i was (am) losing time again and trying to deny it. my psychiatrist @ the hospital is rather well known and mentioned as one of the people at the places that is mentioned in one of the published and well-known "survivor" related documents. i saw him this afternoon, and realized 2 things.

the first, is that he has a cheney-like hourglass on one of his shelves. it's HUGE and filled with blue glass.

(he also has a tiny one filled with red glass)

secondly, i lost the whole session today. it's gone. no memory of it past noticing the hourglass.

anyway, so here i am again.
and kind of scared.

tess

[11:11]

Jesus, Tess What can you do to immediately take your daughter and yourself out the sphere of inflenence of these people?

[LilyPatToo]

Oh, Tess---! I'm so glad to meet you and so terribly sorry to hear how truly awful things have been for you lately Please post if there's any way I can help out--I'm still learning about it myself, so I'm no expert, but I'll do everything I can in the way of listening and sharing information with you. Or PM me if you're uncomfortable posting.

How lonely it must have been back when you first put up that website--what a brave thing to do. And I know what you mean about how weird public opinion has been around this subject. The way the perps are spinning it now, there was just a "scare" about it in the 90's...as if all the people who'd experienced it should just go back to not believing it was real at all

I'll PM you about a site where almost everyone posting is a RA survivor. It's private and the board is moderated so that jerks can't get in to invalidate or abuse people. I don't post there much because I don't have many memories of my childhood and none that are unequivocably RA.

Hang in there....

LilyPat

[tesserae]

11:11 and lilypatt, thank you both so much for hearing me. yeah, i'm starting to think- ok, this is not how it's supposed to be. funny how easy it was to just over-write it as hysteria. even though i was once totally convinced and knew it was true.

yes, it was very lonely back then. but good. because it helped me remember and it helped me state my truth. i love the internet for that reason. we can have a voice.

i'm not sure how to get out, not even sure if it isn't just coincidence. there is so much shame engrained in me, and i'm working on it, but still think it's my own fault these things happen. (and that i deserve it)

tess

[Evutch]

oh tess, you KNOW it's NOT your fault..

including the sra..

i'm just a guy, and i know i will never be able to convince you i understand, but i do know that you can find support, lilypat will point the way there..i hope you find what you need, and the tools to come to terms with this..
i have experienced some of this, and the PTS is a real heavy weight..
you are right about the net being a good tool, i hope you can use it to your advantage..
thje history of your past posting experience, and the posting here shows you are brave..get strong..




lilypat, the lessons of light AND invisibility!!!??
did you ever talk of that before??
i learned the light, who would have taught me that??? not something a normal 16 year old does for fun..
and invisible? i have used that, and it does work!!!! ( and there were witnesses..)
i would have writen it off to mind games, BUT when the goons kept asking how i did it, and to show them how, and the one i did it in front of, never allowed me close again, out of fear, where does that come from?
was this "school" you went to possibly separate from the dark side of the circle? were there two different forces atvwork with you?
and doen't that REALLY piss you off as it does me, to have been played as monkey in the middle without any explanation, or reason?
what is the game?? see who breaks first??
i piss at the foot of olympus....

[LilyPatToo]

tess, you sound like me! And not in a good way All my life, I've believed that *everything* horrible that happened to me was MY FAULT. From beatings and sexual slavery to suicidal depression--it was ALL my fault. Then I lucked out and got a kind, wise, funny and compassionate shrink who (even though I hid all the missing time and program stuff from him) taught me to see how completely irrational it was for me to take responsibility for a succession of sociopaths' preying on me.

One of his whacked-out sayings: "Just because you have a "Kick me!" sign stuck to your backside doesn't mean you put it there OR that you shouldn't take it the hell OFF as soon as you find it!" *LOL*

And that therapist of yours with the fracking *HOURGLASSES* in his office--I really do understand how people like us can be manipulated into not breaking off dangerous therapeutic relationships. But this guy sounds to me like he's program-complicit and if he is, then he's probably expertly using guilt and shame to tie you into an almost Stockholm Syndrome dependence upon him. You know that something's wrong, but you feel you don't have the right to stop seeing him...been there, done that (but with medical doctors, in my case). And now I see how irrational I was being. Learned helplessness in action.

If you can't call and break it off, try writing a short note and mailing it to his office. You do not owe him any explanation at all--the fact that you're in any way uncomfortable during or after sessions is enough grounds to switch therapists. And don't take any referals that you may be offered either--these creeps all know each other in any given area and you'll just risk going from the frying pan into the fire.

You'd be better off with that survivors' board we talked about than with a program therapist. But you're in a crisis period right now, from the sounds of things, so being without any support at all could have very bad consequences, so do at least talk to other people with experiences like yours. Your area is a RA/MC hotspot, so there may even be advocacy groups you could contact locally who could recommend a safe therapist. Ask Jeanne. And you have my prayers, believe me.

evutch, I've meant to email you my "Fleegle dream" but I can't find the damn thing. It had elements of Illuminati crap about "the Light," mythology, and also weird hand signals and references to having contacted me before, as a child. It was "program" long, long before I'd ever heard of the Cult or of mind control programs. I think I had it back in the mid-1980's and it was so vivid and stunning that when I woke up from it, I sat straight up in bed and blurted the entire thing out to The Skeptic, who of course thinks all of this is utter bunk But at least that made me remember it in detail....

As for the "smart kids classes," if mine were some do-gooder 5th column, then we all had them and we should be a lot farther along on the road to demolishing our memory barriers and exposing this crap, shouldn't we? And then there's the other boy who shared them with me who died very young....Terry was a very gentle, shy little boy--PTSD and traumatized, I see now. No one at the one class reunion I attended knew the cause of death, but I'm thinking suicide. Wish I could trace the other boy.

In Judith K. Moore's book "Journey to Freedom", she speaks of being programmed at about the same age by a guy who claimed to be working for a super-secret 5th column "House of David" (European) group. He put a recording alter inside her alter system to surface decades later when it was comparitively safe and give her information about what had been done to her. But nothing that alter has provided has led to a single indictment. So if it was planned to bring down the program, so far it's failed.

I guess I mistrust all the 5th column stories that circulate in the survivor community. I'd rather have next-to-no hope than false hope, because I see it as a deeply-disempowering ploy, a strike at my trust and even my sanity if it turns out to be one more game. After having them run on me since I was tiny, I'm severly allergic to games.

LilyPat

[strophe]

BTW, not to derail this interesting discussion of MC in science fiction, but a friend from another board came up with what might be a stunning (if depressing) theory to explain all the gynecological exams/procedures that I underwent--particularly the MILABs. For many years, I've thought it had to be genetic engineering that required ova--even before I had Clue #1 about mind control (I thought that aliens and military personnel, working together, were doing most of my abductions/missing time).

My friend looked at my sex slave past and asked, "What if that was just the cover story and they were just checking you for STDs?"



That's not HALF as cool as being a source of such superior DNA that I was being farmed for outstanding eggs, is it?!!! OUCH! followed by *DOH*!

LilyPat, Greatly Chastened

Dear Lily Pat,

Supposing you do have some high-quality chromosomes, and say they were just checking you for STDs. Don't be chastened, be certain: whatever they are doing or did to use and abuse you, YOU would never do that to anyone. Your postings here show a sweet-natured person. Your ancestors must be very proud of what a good and kind heart you have. I am sorry you have suffered so much. I hope you don't mind me saying these things to you. I have been reading this thread for a while now, and I just don't think you should be embarassed for any reactions or ideas you have had while being abused, you are human.

Sincerely.

[LilyPatToo]

Thank you for that kind post, strophe. I post on 2 other boards and on one of them there's been a flamewar over the past week, so my own mind control reading and posting has suffered as a result of having to defend those of us there who've wakened up (and also defending our right to post our opinions). Neither board is as intellectually rigorous as this one, unfortunately. Which means that important concepts like the exploitation of "alien" abductees by mind control program operatives are rarely critically examined in depth at all. It's MUCH more fun to endlessly discuss cool alien contact than it is to look behind the curtain at exploitative human rights abuses. Which is NOT to say that all of them are MC victims, but they sure as hell are victims of SOMEBODY, judging from the incidence of PTSD and their rampant Stockholm Syndrome.

I've discovered that it's more wearying dealing with a bunch of nice victims' denial than it is with the automatic naysaying and sneering denial of the general public. I hurt for the gentle New Ager victims, because I was one of them for almost 40 years and I remember vividly how painful it was to relinquish that cool explanation for a mundane and tragic one. The victim of brutal exploitation wants it to somehow have meant something--they want to have been part of some immensely larger event, rather than just another casualty of a sociopathic good ol' boys club's lust for power.

Dunno about my DNA being in any way special. I did have some amazing paranormal abilities when I was younger and anyone who researches US mind control programs inevitably runs into evidence that the Controllers were hot for any sort of psy abilities they could co-opt and exploit. For a while I thought that was perhaps just more tasty disinformation, but Philip Coppens', my friend Brighid's and Dream's End's research would seem to suggest otherwise. At least some of the top names in the MC world seem to have been believers.

So perhaps all those GYN exams I remember had more than one purpose. During the early 1990's MILABs here in the Bay Area, I remember becoming resistant to whatever drugs they were using and berating an officer about how *old* I was getting for that sort of crap. He reacted with the same "I know something that you don't know about YOU" smugness that I've always gotten from the MC perps. So who knows?

LilyPat

Links: Philip Coppens -- http://www.philipcoppens.com/projects.html
Brighid Moon -- http://brighidmoonnewage.blogspot.com/
Dream's End -- http://dreamsend.wordpress.com/

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