Libya, Syria And Now Ukraine - Color Revolution By Force

[Sounder]

Ha, ha, ha, ha, AD does not want any lurkers lingering over the idea that he and his hate mongering ilk are the real supporters of colonialism.

Any inflammatory bullshit will do, hey how about some drivel from June 2013, sure fine, that will do.

[American Dream]

I think the far right wants to- and does- play a significant for its role in the conspiracy sphere and in "anti-imperialist" circles. In Ukraine, their integration into Maidan coalitions is regrettable, as is their partnership with Putin's Russia. Their involvement in Libyan, Syrian and Iranian matters is also a big deal- and a bad one.

I wish there was more critical consciousness about the role of the far right organizations within conspiracy circles, and it is regrettable that the thinking around these issues is sometimes less rigorous and based in good principle than it should be,

[seemslikeadream]

NEO CONS

Robert Kagan and his lovely wife DOUGHNUT DOLLY Victoria

can't have satisfied fascists without giving them some cookies

[coffin_dodger]

Oliver Stone Says Ukrainian Coup Was Directed by CIA sputniknews.com 12/31/14

US film maker claims he is currently engaged in production of a documentary about Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych.

WASHINGTON, December 31 (Sputnik) – US filmmaker Oliver Stone is currently engaged in production of a documentary about Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych, who fled the country following the February coup, according to the post on his Facebook page published Tuesday.

"[I] Interviewed Viktor Yanukovych 4 hours in Moscow for new English language documentary produced by Ukrainians. He [Yanukovych] was the legitimate President of Ukraine until he suddenly wasn't on February 22 of this year. Details to follow in the documentary," Stone said.

cont - http://sputniknews.com/art_living/20141231/1016415810.html

[Searcher08]

I think the far right wants to- and does- play a significant for its role in the conspiracy sphere and in "anti-imperialist" circles. In Ukraine, their integration into Maidan coalitions is regrettable, as is their partnership with Putin's Russia. Their involvement in Libyan, Syrian and Iranian matters is also a big deal- and a bad one.

I wish there was more critical consciousness about the role of the far right organizations within conspiracy circles, and it is regrettable that the thinking around these issues is sometimes less rigorous and based in good principle than it should be,

I wish that you would start with yourself.

You uncritically published a shed load of articles from a Soros-funded Ukrainian "researcher" working for Soros-FOUNDED AND Soros-LED organisations.
You showed absolutely zero willingness to discuss these direct neo-liberal propaganda links. You bought it all and acted like a repeater station for that neo-Liberal garbage hook line and sinker.

Implying that you are just trying to counter-balance Putin is beyond feeble.
And personally, I think publishing work by that vile wanker David Aaronovitch at RI is pooping in the punch bowl - of an order of magnitude greater than your "far right threats".

[American Dream]

He is sometimes presents things in a harsher and more sweeping manner than I might think best, but Bob from Brockley has a strong critique of all this:

Friday, June 06, 2014

Ukraine: the truth war

[Heavily edited 10:48 7 June]

There is a war of words going on in the West over Ukraine. A shocking number of people have been taken in by the narratives and outright liescirculating from the Kremlin and its propaganda outlets. The Kremlin's totally unreliable Russia Today (RT.com), which regularly gives airtime to antisemites, UKIP, Holocaust deniers, 9/11 truth cultists and Bilderberg conspiracy nutcases, is somehow seen as the fount of "truth" about Ukraine.

Among those circulate Russia Today material and Kremlin misinformation are: the left/right convergence fanzine Counterpunch, Germany's Stalinoid Junge Welt, the paleocon Ron Paul Institute, the Healeyite Trotskyists at the World Socialist Website, the right-wing Russia lobbyist John Laughland, the moonbat news site GlobalResearch, various Orthodox Christian websites, and the British neo-Nazis in the BNP.

In Britain, a large section of the left - most notably Counterfire, Stop the War, Comrade Delta of Unite Against Fascism, the Stalinist Communist Party of Britain, the Stalinoid ex-Trotskyists of Socialist Appeal and the deranged Trotskyists of Workers Power - is re-circulating this misinformation, and many well-meaning leftists and liberals lap it up.

It seems to make no difference to these leftists that they are saying the same things as an important section of the British financial elite, or that they are on the same page as Nigel Farage, Peter Hitchens, Nick Griffin, Marine Le Pen, Jobbik and the rest of the Western European far right.

Shiraz Socialist recently published a statement from anti-fascist magazine Searchlight on some of the unsavoury flavours in this toxic mix, focusing on the allies of the creepy LaRouche network in something laughably called “Solidarity with the Antifascist Resistance in Ukraine”, which seeks to channel solidarity towards right-wing, ultra-nationalist, paramilitary thugs in the so-called "People's Republics". While I don't see Searchlight as a reliable source, they seem to be spot-on about this network and about the "Borotba" fake socialist party it promotes.

Of course there are fascist forces on the fringes of the Kiev government (most notably the Right Sector, which received 0.7% of the vote in the recent elections in un-occupied Ukraine). The Kiev government - led by neo-liberal, centre-right oligarchs - is not particularly attractive. But it is not in any sense a "Nazi regime" as the Kremlin narrative puts it.

The so-called "People's Republics", in contrast, are staffed by all kinds of far right forces, most of which are not actually from Ukraine but from across the Russian empire. Timothy Snyder is the most authoritative writer on this topic. In a series of articles in the NYRB and TNR, he has tracked the role of the far right in both Russia and Russian-speaking Ukraine. In the Donetsk "People's Republic", we have people like Pavel Gubarov, of fascist group Russian National Unity, and Aleksander Borodai, a veteran Russian irredentist, antisemite and fascist. In Moscow pulling the strings are people like new right ideologue Alexander Dugin, and antisemitic far right veteran and LaRouche associate Sergei Glayzev.

http://brockley.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/ ... raine.html

[seemslikeadream]

you're a big fan of the cross post ...aren't you AD?

Colored Revolutions: New Form of Regime Change, Made in USA

[conniption]

The Vineyard of the Saker

Thursday, January 15, 2015

Breaking news: Russia will completely stop the delivery of gaz through the Ukraine

First, I was a little skeptical. Then more and more sources confirmed what seems to be a fact: Russia will completely stop the delivery of gaz through the Ukraine and all Russian gaz will now flow through Turkey (see Bloomberg and LifeNews). Not only that, but the Russians have told the Europeans that if they want Russian gaz, they will have to build their own pipeline to Turkey at pay for it all.

The Europeans appear to be shell-shocked. Maros Sefcovic, the European Commission’s vice president for energy union, declared that this decision made "no economic sense". As if the nonstop economic and political warfare waged by the EU against Russia did make any sense!

I can image the faces of the Eurobureaucrats when Alexei Miller, the head of Gazprom, told them that "now it is up to them to put in place the necessary infrastructure starting from the Turkish-Greek border” while the Russian Energy Minister Novak added that "the decision has been made, we are diversifying and eliminating the risks of unreliable countries that caused problems in past years, including for European consumers.”

In other words, the EU just lost it all and so did the Ukraine. Keep in mind that the EU has no other options then to purchase the Russian gas from Turkey while Russia can simply do without gaz exports to Europe because China has already signed a contract covering the exact same amount of gaz and possibly much more.

Let's see now how the infinitely corrupt, arrogant, criminally irresponsible European elites will cope with an agriculture choking in useless surplus stocks, a society waging ideological war on 1.6 billion Muslims, and now with no energy.

The always irreplaceable Poles have come up with a brilliant strategy it appears: they will "not really" invite Putin to the commemoration of the liberation of Auschwitz even though Auschwitz was liberated by the Soviet military. I am sure that Putin will be both impressed and heartbroken.

Nowadays every time I hear any news out of Europe, I always think that Victoria Nuland's famous "f**k the EU" and how Boris Johnson, the Mayor of London, called his colleagues the "great supine protoplasmic invertebrate jellies". I share exactly the same sentiments: let them "Charlies" now freeze in their own pathetic mediocrity.

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Russia Cuts Off Ukraine Gas Supply To 6 European Countries

Submitted by Tyler Durden on 01/14/2015

Vladimir Putin ordered the Russian state energy giant Gazprom to cut supplies to and through Ukraine amid accusations, according to The Daily Mail, that its neighbor has been siphoning off and stealing Russian gas. Due to these "transit risks for European consumers in the territory of Ukraine," Gazprom cut gas exports to Europe by 60%, plunging the continent into an energy crisis "within hours." Perhaps explaining the explosion higher in NatGas prices (and oil) today, gas companies in Ukraine confirmed that Russia had cut off supply; and six countries reported a complete shut-off of Russian gas. The EU raged that the sudden cut-off to some of its member countries was "completely unacceptable," but Gazprom CEO Alexey Miller later added that Russia plans to shift all its natural gas flows crossing Ukraine to a route via Turkey; and Russian Energy Minister Alexander Novak stated unequivocally, "the decision has been made." ... continued...

[American Dream]

http://thespanishprisoner.com/2014/05/1 ... inophilia/

The Origins of Putinophilia
May 19, 2014



There is a growing divide in the U.S. Left, between those who simply oppose U.S. intervention in Ukraine, and those who defend, or even praise, Russia’s strongman, Vladimir Putin. Things haven’t always been like this. If I remember correctly, during the build-up to the invasion of Iraq, only the Workers World Party and its front groups defended Saddam Hussein. The rest of the left had no illusions about the dictator. I think a change began in the Left after the anti-war movement failed to prevent the invasion. There began to be talk about a “red-brown” strategy, that is, forming alliances with right-wing, or even fascist, groups that claim to be opposed to U.S. imperialism. The thinking was that the Left by itself was not strong enough, or maybe not committed enough, to successfully struggle against imperialism. And if it is permissible to work with groups with terrible politics, then it is permissible to support governments with terrible politics. Thus, it became possible to see any dictator who ran afoul of the US as an ally against imperialism. Gadaffi and Assad were now on our side, according to this view.

Putin has acquired a special place in these people’s eyes. During Russia’s 2008 border war with Georgia, Bush was unable to do anything. Many on the Left saw this as a humiliation for the hated Bush. (Although I suspect that Bush really didn’t care.) So now Putin can do no wrong in their eyes. He can imprison his critics and persecute gays and ethnic minorities, and they will simply explain it away or ignore it. And as Putin has grown a halo, Obama has become the embodiment of pure evil in these people’s eyes. John Pilger, for example, has claimed, on the basis of no evidence, that Obama was plotting to seize Russia’s naval base in Crimea and start a war. How can anyone take this seriously?

If the Left is to avoid becoming completely irrelevant, it needs to return to the principled anti-imperialism of the past.

[conniption]

Why don't you go start a Putinophilia thread somewhere else, AD, and stop messing with this thread?

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If I were Mod, I'd...

[Nordic]

http://thespanishprisoner.com/2014/05/19/the-origins-of-putinophilia/

The Origins of Putinophilia
May 19, 2014



There is a growing divide in the U.S. Left, between those who simply oppose U.S. intervention in Ukraine, and those who defend, or even praise, Russia’s strongman, Vladimir Putin. Things haven’t always been like this. If I remember correctly, during the build-up to the invasion of Iraq, only the Workers World Party and its front groups defended Saddam Hussein. The rest of the left had no illusions about the dictator. I think a change began in the Left after the anti-war movement failed to prevent the invasion. There began to be talk about a “red-brown” strategy, that is, forming alliances with right-wing, or even fascist, groups that claim to be opposed to U.S. imperialism. The thinking was that the Left by itself was not strong enough, or maybe not committed enough, to successfully struggle against imperialism. And if it is permissible to work with groups with terrible politics, then it is permissible to support governments with terrible politics. Thus, it became possible to see any dictator who ran afoul of the US as an ally against imperialism. Gadaffi and Assad were now on our side, according to this view.

Putin has acquired a special place in these people’s eyes. During Russia’s 2008 border war with Georgia, Bush was unable to do anything. Many on the Left saw this as a humiliation for the hated Bush. (Although I suspect that Bush really didn’t care.) So now Putin can do no wrong in their eyes. He can imprison his critics and persecute gays and ethnic minorities, and they will simply explain it away or ignore it. And as Putin has grown a halo, Obama has become the embodiment of pure evil in these people’s eyes. John Pilger, for example, has claimed, on the basis of no evidence, that Obama was plotting to seize Russia’s naval base in Crimea and start a war. How can anyone take this seriously?

If the Left is to avoid becoming completely irrelevant, it needs to return to the principled anti-imperialism of the past.

What a stupid fucking article. It personifies that idiotic way of "thinking" that is so prevalent in America these days. To wit, you're either with us or you're against us. If you're agàinst what asshole A is doing you therefore worship asshole B.

If you think it's wrong and dangerous that Obama and the neocon gang are trying to provoke Russia into war, possibly risking WW3, and is supporting an evil neonazi cabal that is slaughtering thousands of innocent people then ... Automatically .... You think that Putin is a Saint.

If you hate white then you must be one of those people who worships black.

Idiotic. Insulting. Not worthy of this board.

[Searcher08]

The Spanish Prisoner is so full of shit.

This is from the site.
The May 14th edition of CounterPunch has an article by John Pilger with the ominous title of A World War is Beckoning. Pilger begins by asking a couple of rhetorical questions:

Why do we ­tolerate the threat of ­another world war in our name? Why do we allow lies that justify this risk?

Uh, maybe because there is no threat of another world war in our name? I suspect that isn’t the answer that Pilger wants to hear. Later on, he writes:

For the first time since the Reagan years, the US is ­threatening to take the world to war. With eastern Europe and the Balkans now military outposts of Nato, the last “buffer state” bordering Russia is being torn apart. We in the west are backing neo-Nazis in a country where Ukrainian Nazis backed Hitler.

Pilger needs to get a grip. Placing mild economic sanctions on Russia
(S08 ) is not “threatening to take the world to war”.

Having masterminded the coup in February against the democratically elected government in Kiev, Washington’s planned seizure of Russia’s ­historic, legitimate warm-water naval base in Crimea failed.

There is evidence that the US has meddled in Ukraine’s internal affairs, but it doesn’t necessarily follow from this that the US “masterminded the coup in February”.




ABC = Another Bullshit Copypasta

[coffin_dodger]

To wit, you're either with us or you're against us. If you're agàinst what asshole A is doing you therefore worship asshole B.

Sorry to be pedantic, but this maybe should have read:

"To wit, you're either with us or you're against us. If you're agàinst what asshole A is doing you therefore must worship asshole B"

Incidentally, I agree. This is an intentional control mechanism.

Allied with the "s/he has (for example) some strange ideas about the role of banking in society, therefore s/he is batshit crazy across the whole spectrum" meme, or the "his best friend is a racist, ergo he must be, because they share common values" meme further continues to increase and condense our binary thinking, examples of which are manifoldly prevelent on these C&P threads.

[Sounder]

It is nice to see that the repetition principle of propaganda does not work equally well in all contexts.

[Searcher08]

It is nice to see that the repetition principle of propaganda does not work equally well in all contexts.

Indeed, Sounder

Agree with Nordic, this is a control mechanism and CD, I think your pointing to the imperative
is not pedantic, but very accurate.

My prediction is that these statements will be responded to with either one two or three of:
a context-free Copypasta probably from the Spanish Prisoner or else libcom or
a statement about putting someone on ignore, or
a bogus appeal to critical thinking.