Alien Abductions and the Monarch Project

[LilyPatToo]

I was looking for an article I dimly recall reading a long time ago about the TV miniseries "Taken" for a friend and was following Karla Turner links when I found this one -- http://www.newdawnmagazine.info/Article/Brain_Zapping_Part_Two.html It's not the one I remember, but it mentions her book of the same name and also mind control and other human intervention in the UFO and alien abduction community.

Does anyone know if the TV "Taken" was derived from Turner's work--specifically from her book by that name? In the list on her memorial site of mentions of her work in other people's projects, "Taken" isn't listed. (http://www.karlaturner.org/index.html)

LilyPat

[kristinerosemary]

lilypat, i can't find the answer either, but
i watched all 10 episodes of 'taken' on sci-fi, which really
took a lot of patience, since they had commercial breaks every
few minutes. they had ten directors and scripts that followed
a family through generations. there's also a paperback of the
same title. a reviewer on amazon complained about the shared
title, saying that karla turner's book 'taken' seemed to her to be the
'real' one! the best way to find out how much karla turner's work
inspired the sci-fi channel series would be to dig up interviews of
the writers of the series, i guess. but this series was heavily
promoted and financed and won an emmy for best miniseries
for that year. also steve spielberg was producer, which makes
me wonder even more. it was just chock full of program triggers
and made some people fall asleep in the first few minutes to
avoid watching it. things that make you go 'hmmmm.'

[LilyPatToo]

Like I really have time to watch that loooooonnnnnnggg miniseries again--! Darn it. I keep running into movies/TV shows/books that I saw/read long before I knew about the MC programs and hearing that they contain a lot of MC info and/or triggers. Some, I saw recently enough to recall my reactions to them (like "Eyes Wide Shut") but others my wonky memory has forgotten almost entirely.

And it doesn't help that any programmed multiple is likely to have "don't think about/remember this" instructions to cover any memories that might tip them off about what's happened to them. As far as my memory is concerned, that government scientist who I believe was my handler here might as well be teflon and/or grease coated--it's nearly impossible for me to hold onto a thought of him. If I encounter him and don't remember to immediately tell a friend, my memory of the meeting will vanish within days. And even when reminded, it will take a real struggle to recover it.

Perhaps one day if I come down with the flu or something I'll rent "Taken" and rewatch it. I'm curious now about it.....

LilyPat

[rothbardian]

LilyPatToo--

As I think back over a lifetime of friendships and relationships, I am now strongly suspecting three or four of those individuals are MPD/DID and don't really have any realization of it. I am suspicious enough, that I would like to consider approaching some of these folks, should the opportunity arise. Can you link me to any of your previous comments either here or at the BlackVault (or whereever) when you have commented specifically on whether it is advisable to do such...and how to go about it, if at all. Or whether we should just "leave a sleeping dog lay". Thanks.

[rothbardian]

I don't mean to interupt the train of thought here. Just a quick link (unless you think some comments fit in here).

[LilyPatToo]

rothbardian, I can't remember where we've discussed that, though I know that we have, multiple times. I guess my first thought is to go very softly, with a subject like this one. Since the MKULTRA spychiatrists/spychologists really poisoned the well (AND muddied the waters--to only slightly mix metaphors), if the people you talk to go online and research the subject, they're likely to run into some of the mis-/disinformation and get really, really confused.

And then there's the fact that people don't get that way from the ordinary traumas of childhood. If they ARE multiple, they're survivors of repeated severe abuse. Which they may not remember at all. Or, they may have access to the memories, but be extremely resistant to being forced to look at them by even well-intentioned questions.

So if you decide to talk to them about it, try the gentlest approach you can manage and be prepared to back out of the conversation fast if they get upset. You simply would not believe the hostility of any alien abductees who might end up feeling that their fascinating alien abductors might have been "spooks" instead--so if they self-identify as abductees, beware! Those fluffy bunnies bite hard, despite all the gentle New Age trappings

LilyPat

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Mind control killings quotes
Mind control killings

My psychic alter is very powerful and deadly. ......At the same instant, my mind opened to me like the pages of a book. I connected to my psychic alter and my killer alter. I 'saw' some of the psychic terminations that I had done, and I experienced the unemotional ruthlessness that was my 'mind set' when I completed them. This connection lasted only about 20 seconds, but it left me gasping afterwards. I remembered everything because it had been triggered by the exercise, not by the shadow government. This incident has totally convinced me that my psychic alter and killer alter do exist; logically, if these parts of me exist, then the other parts must exist as well. If the other parts exist, then, logically, something had to have happened to me to create them. The Mars Force:

A: You know, Chip, what about Hinckley and when he tried to shoot Reagan, and some of those. You could actually tell somebody, "Go shoot somebody," and they'd do it then. Is that what you're saying? T: That's what I'm saying, and, you know, I'm - if we look at the Yitzhak Rabin case, I think that that is key. Hinckley recalls doing it. The difference between Hinckley and the man in Israel that shot Yitzhak Rabin is, the man in Israel admitted to it initially, and then comes back and said he doesn't recall any of those instances. That's escopolaminia. Transcript of 12 hours of radio interview of Chip Tatum on Intelligence Report. Ted Gundersson interviewe 1999.

Sirhan was programmed at a racing stables in Santa Ana, California by two CIA mind-control specialists -- one of them a priest. A co-worker of Sirhan at the stables was Thomas Bremer, whose mind-controlled brother Arthur, shot Governor George Wallace in 1972. Not many miles from the stables is a Synagogue used for mind-control purposes. Its rabbi is a 'former' member of US Naval Intelligence........Such police corruption is exemplified by the LAPD's complicity in the assassination of Robert Kennedy, It is well known within the ranks of the LAPD that mind-controlled patsy Sirhan Sirhan, in keeping with the patsy arrested for the murder of Israeli Prime Minister Yitzak Rabin, FIRED BLANKS, in order to misdirect the attention of eyewitnesses. At least one police officer's eyewitness report was re-written by a senior officer in order to protect the true conspirators. Moreover, police radio communication was disrupted (as in the Princess Diana assassination) thereby preventing the broadcasting of other suspect's descriptions.(17) Mind Controlled Killers: What happened at Columbine High School? Was O.J. Simpson innocent? In Defense of Buford Furrow Jr.! by Brian Desborough

Some children of Illuminati parents are genetically-bred to be outstanding psychics. These victims are trained to perform as psychic assassins, possessing the capability of causing cardiac arrest or neural dysfunction. Former Soviet Premier Yuri Andropov was assassinated in this manner. A major psy-ops team is known as Janus; it is directed from the NATO headquarters in Belgium. Another high-level psy-ops assassination team is composed of very intelligent African-American women, known as the Black Angels. STOP MISLEADING the CHILDREN, MR. JENNINGS by Brian Desborough

Another mind-controlled victim who has been unfairly victimized Is John Hinckley, the young man who wounded President Reagan. Hinckley was programmed in Lexington by an aide to a British Intelligence psychiatrist, who had previously programmed Son-of -Sam satanic cultist Berkovitz at a Westchester, N.Y. mind-control facility. Like Patrick Purdy, who massacred seven Vietnamese children in a Stockton, California schoolyard. Hinckley had associated with neo-Nazis and had been prescribed mood-altering neuroleptic pharmaceuticals. Mind Controlled Killers: What happened at Columbine High School? Was O.J. Simpson innocent? In Defense of Buford Furrow Jr.! by Brian Desborough

It is estimated that there are between two and ten million mind-controlled victims in the United States. Victims are usually programmed to slash their arms if their front alter personality begins to recover memories of the programming; this inhibits further memory recovery (victims occasionally begin to recover memories if their programmer or handler dies). Buford Furrow, recently arrested for the shooting at the Jewish Community Center, in Granada Hills, California, was admitted to a psychiatric institution last year after slashing his arm in several places, consistent with mind control activity. Significantly, a National Security Council E. Mail address for a Buford Furrow at McChord Air Force base was deleted the day after his arrest. His father is a retired career Air Force Master-Sergeant. STOP MISLEADING the CHILDREN, MR. JENNINGS by Brian Desborough

Lee Harvey Oswald, Sirhan-Sirhan, Charlie Manson, John Hinckley Jr., Mark Chapman, David Koresh, Tim McVeigh and John Salvi are some notable names of infamy, strongly suspected of being pawns who were spawned by MKULTRA. Ron Patton( Project Monarch: Nazi Mind Control )

Shortly before Lennon's death at the hands of what beyond the faintest glimmer of a shadow a doubt was a mind-controlled, "Manchurian Candidate" type assassin deployed by Tavistock/CIA/MI6, Mark Chapman to terminate a "loose cannon", Lennon had the audacity to massively and blatantly "out" the aforementioned consortium in a Playboy interview -- in which he made note of LSD's completely unforeseen liberating impact upon human society and civilization--pretty much thumbing his nose at the whole bunch and their whole trip; AND indicating as well that he was aware of the extent to which he and other pop musicians had been set up--to be used as dupes in massive social manipulation schemes. Why Bush & the CIA Had John Lennon Killed -- The Beatles, the Montauk Project, the Tavistock Institute and Mass Social Control by John Quinn

Curt Cobain of the musical group "Nirvana" was another victim of NSA brainwashing and was terminated by NSA. Cobain had started writing clues to the NSA activities into his music to communicate it to his music followers. He referred in music to the NSA as the "Friends inside his head". Once the NSA puts on the highest level of brainwashing pain, the subject expires quickly. Cobain used heroin to numb and otherwise slow the effect of the brainwashing NSA Mind Control and Psyops by Will Filer

Thorazine was used regularly at the CIA’s Jonestown , Guyana group control experiment. Survivors of Jonestown have testified as to its effectiveness. After this gruesome experiment in mind control came to its end with a massacre, large amounts of drugs were discovered. Just one footlocker at Jonestown alone contained 11,000 doses. The authorities prevented chemical autopsies of the bodies to insure secrecy of this sophisticated concentration camp which was used for medical and psychiatric experimentation by the CIA. The Illuminati Formula 3. THE USE OF DRUGS

Bill Kurtis's TV-show, A & E Investigative Report on the assassination of Robert Kennedy suggested that Sirhan Sirhan was a mind controlled assassin or patsy that would have been created under Project Artichoke .(2) The object of this project was to create the real "Manchurian Candidate", an assassin who could be programmed to kill a target and then not even remember he did it. Sirhan Sirhan fit the profile. Angry at the death of his parents during a conflict with Israel the convicted assassin of RFK was said to have been in a trance-like state during and after the shooting. Later, Sirhan Sirhan would state strongly that he did not actually remember anything that happened during the shooting, but everyone said he did it, so he must have done it. [1997] Sex, Drugs, the CIA, MIND CONTROL and Your Children By A.B.H. Alexander

One of the people who was a drummer with the Tommy Dorsey Band for a while was William Joseph Bryan, Jr. (aka William Joseph Bryon, and William Jenning Bryan III, etc.) William Joseph Bryan, Jr. was a CIA Mind-control programmer. He programmed people when he was with the Air Force as Chief of Medical Survival Training, which was a covert brainwashing section (If the Air Force. Bryan opened up his own hypnotherapy Institute on Sunset Strip in Hollywood where he programmed some people in acting for the Illuminati. Bryan was the person who programmed Sirhan Sirhan to kill Robert Kennedy. Bloodlines of the Illuminati Van Duyn

David Koresh was a long time CIA asset. Waco had been a CIA center for mind control every since the end of World War Two. Many of the German mind control scientists were brought to Waco to continue their experiments.....Gunther explained to me that there were only seven fully programmed mind control "sleepers" in the Davidian Compound. For a more complete explanation on how mind controlled "sleepers" are created, you can read Operation Open Eyes MIND CONTROL IN AMERIKA ~ Five Easy Steps To Create A Manchurian Candidate! .....Gunther told me that the Waco "sleepers" had somehow been triggered, and they were preparing to carry out their mission. The "sleepers" in the compound were created to be programmed domestic terrorists. They can be compared to the Japanese cult, Aum Shinri Kyo, that bombed the subway with sarin gas and killed and wounded hundreds of people.....The seven sleepers in the Waco compound were within days of finishing a nerve gas toxin that would have been powerful enough to kill up to 350 thousand people....... The bottom line here is that 86 men, women, and children died - i.e., they were murdered in the Branch Davidian compound on Monday, April 19th, 1993 ALL at the hands of the 4 members of this CIA "wet" team, operating under the cover of the Delta Force......The only thing that makes sense to me, is that renegade factions of the FBI wanted to use the Davidian compound as another example to the American people of what happens to people who question the government. Ruby Ridge was the first example. Randy Weaver and his family chose to be sovereign citizens, and they were punished for it! The renegade faction of the FBI is part of the New World Order. They want the American people to know the horror that will befall people who defy the government. PAUL WILCHER & GUNTHER RUSSBACHER By Rayelan Allan Russbacher

"I hope it is becoming clear to you the various levels that are used by the Intel community to get their job done. Remember Jonestown? It was one of ours that went sour because a "Clear Eyes" was in the group. "When he, the "Clear Eyes", began firing on the runway, it all self destructed. Congressman Leo Ryan, who was killed, knew it was a government operation. The "Clear Eyes" was accidentally, through a lone sequence, activated! There was no way to stop the killings. All members of the cult were programmed to at least level 3. There were only 3 deaths attributable to cyanide, the rest died of gunfire. Now you know little more about our line of work. I am glad I am out of it." Gunther Russbacher

Rayelan now believes that the Columbine killings were the beginning of the final push to take all guns out of the hands of the American people. One month, to the day, after Columbine, another similar shooting occurred in Georgia. These killings are not random acts of teenage violence. These school killings are a planned, methodical attack on the American Constitution and the freedom which is enjoyed but taken for granted by citizens of the United States of America. The method of the attack is designed to inflame anger and hysteria in the American public. The media whips up the anger and hysteria and keeps it fresh in America’s mind, with continual graphic, around the clock, "overkill" coverage and commentary of the dead and wounded victims, the pain and suffering of the families, and the traumatic scars left on America’s children. The President uses the hysteria of the moment to blame guns for the problems in Americas schools and with America’s children. In the heat of hysteria, Congress is pressured to pass more guns laws. MIND CONTROL IN AMERIKA Five Easy Steps To Create A Manchurian Candidate

In order to condition the public into supporting stricter gun-control measures, mind-controlled children have been programmed to shoot classmates. One of the Columbine High-School shooters, Eric Harris, used to live at Plattsburg Air Force Base, in New York State, with his Air force officer father. At the age of ten, Harris allegedly used to complain to his friends that he was being drugged at the base. This base, although officially closed, is known to possess an enormous underground facility, which allegedly is still being used as a mind-control programming center. One Columbine teacher has publicly stated that she was wounded by an adult male, not a student (intelligence information received by the writer claims that four adult gunmen were involved). One wonders why a contingent of Federal personnel purportedly visited the school the day prior to the massacre. STOP MISLEADING the CHILDREN, MR. JENNINGS by Brian Desborough

Mengele was in Dallas during the killing of JFK, which was achieved by trained Monarch slaves. (In fact, the Beaumont, TX Enterprise on Mon. April 10, ’94 in the Metro Sect. B, on page B cont. to 4b reports that a sworn affidavit exists where a man connects Joseph Mengele with Kennedy’s death and to have seen Mengele at the Texas Book Depository.) Luis Angel Castillo was just one of the Monarch mind-controlled slaves sent to kill JFK on Nov. 22, ’63. A woman from Germany named Mrs. Krebs, along with a host of other programmers, worked with Mengele on the Kennedy assassination. The Illuminati Formula Appendix I: The Programmers

PORT ARTHUR MASSACRE On Sunday 28 April 1996, an unknown professional combat shooter opened fire in the Broad Arrow Cafe at Port Arthur in Tasmania. In less than a minute 20 people lay dead, 19 of them killed with single shots to the head, fired from the right hip of the fast-moving shooter. The awesome display of combat marksmanship was blamed on intellectually impaired Martin Bryant, who was held in illegal strict solitary confinement for more than 120 days, until he was "ready" to plead guilty. There was no trial.

http://www.whale.to/b/killers_q.html

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I'm not a regular reader at Unknown Country but caught wind of Whitley Strieber receiving death threats and found this thread where a poster named didi gives a rundown of the events leading up to the banning of some certain individuals, to another poster named Krystal.

http://www.unknowncountry.com/board/mes ... 25758.html

didi
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Posted on Tuesday, April 24, 2007 - 5:16 am:

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Krystal Gayle Potter " So, where are all these posts that led to banning ? Were they banned from having a different opinion than Whitley (and if so, on what topic and what is Whitley's opinion so I know what not to talk about) or were they being hurtful to other board members ? Lately that seems to be what the board has been about."

I have made a precis for you from the witnesses thread to get you up to speed:


Patricia Davis Posted on Sunday, April 08, 2007 -
The fluffy bunnies bit was an attempt at meeting hostility with humor, Stephen. I'll continue to use it until I come up with a better way to characterize the people who are attacking us here and in other threads.

Also, what makes them fluffy is not their insistence on their abductions being alien-instigated...what makes them fluffy to me is their incomprehensible lack of intellectual rigor when evaluating their experiences. If you read their own posts, you'll find many, many mentions of what are obviously human beings interacting with them--to me it's fluffy to not look straight at that.

Patricia Davis Posted on Sunday, April 08, 2007 -
I agree with Whitley--it is a true loss to the whole board when posters decide to flounce instead of staying to figure out what is really at the basis of a serious disagreement. Understanding will never happen as long as people abdicate the conversation and stay immersed in feeling wounded.

Patricia Davis Posted on Saturday, April 07, 2007 -
I have no problem with "challenges" as long as the "challengers" act in an adult manner. But sniping and pestering don't qualify as adult to most of us in this conversation. And being consistently misquoted and misunderstood gets REAL OLD after 2 and a half years. So my annoying restating of my stance and my reasons for taking it will continue until my words stop being twisted. And until people realize that I'm NOT denying their own alien/paranormal experiences. I'm seeking to show clearly how those experiences are being exploited by sociopaths and liars in some cases.

ddubbiedo Posted on Saturday, April 07, 2007 -
On a side note, I really hope Patricia that you will drop this constant chatter about how people who don't wish to see or agree with what you are trying to tell them are hostile and stubborn, toddlers, flouncers, fluffy bunnies and trolls. I understand the frustration you must feel in trying to help people, but in reality all this is doing is flaming the fire and making you look bad.

ddubbiedo Posted on Saturday, April 07, 2007 -
Oh Patricia... You're doing it again. It's just sad on so many levels. Like you wish others could see, I wish you could see... Everything you accuse others of doing, you are doing as well.



Whitley Strieber Posted on Sunday, April 08, 2007 -
This is not a reference to any particular post in this or any thread on my board. But, just in general, let's try to back off each other a little. It's best not to even think in terms of who's right and who's wrong, who's shallow and who's deep. The one certain mystery in this world is the human being, and we cannot judge one another because we cannot see into that darkness. Judge not...

I have seen some good people leave my board lately because of the infighting that has been taking place. Certainly, it makes it a less interesting place for me personally, as it does for others, and I find myself posting less often, too.

This is a special board. There are many people who bring extraordinary experiences and ideas here, and with them all the vulnerabilities that come with life at the extreme.

It is important to understand, for example, that somebody who prefers a lighter touch may do so because they live in a world of hurt.

I am hoping that this note will remind people to discuss the issues, and not air out their opinions of others. Usually, it is what is least and weakest in us that vents such opinions, and what is highest that finds compassion for the other man.

When you are posting, think first and always, 'if this was being said to me or about me, how would it make me feel?'


Whitley Strieber Posted on Saturday, April 14, 2007 -
I really hate to see DDubbiedo go. A LOT of good posters have left because of the ugly stuff, some of it so subtle and smart and mean that I am ready to believe it's being done by disinformation pros, which is why I'm posting this in this particular thread. I'm going to give it some thought, but I do believe we're going to go in another direction of some kind with our board. I am getting to dread coming here myself.

Whitley Strieber Posted on Monday, April 16, 2007 -
Obviously, I cannot be against people who post here about mind control and government interference of various kinds, including abuse of children. I have lived this abuse. But I don't like to see personal sniping. I've seen a lot of my best posters leave the board, and the johnny one-notes gradually take over. It's getting mean and sour, and so much of it is just more social quibbling and less and less about the ideas and the theories. Why should a person who disagrees with another be the object of scorn and vituperation?


Whitley Strieber Posted on Friday, April 20, 2007 -
Susano, Lab Rat and Patricia are off this board. The whole issue of close encounter is still in question, and we need to approach it in a way that encourages discussion and the exchange of information.

That was not happening here, and my previous warnings to be more accepting of the opinions of others were not heeded, in my opinion.

This is not an 'admin' decision. My administrator is instructed only to ban those who directly violate our posting rules, and that instruction stands.

This is the second time that I have taken this sort of action, in the history of my board. The first was against a poster styled as OneSmartRat, who threatened my life in my subscriber section chat room. The log containing the threat was turned over to the appropriate authorities.


Whitley Strieber Posted on Saturday, April 21, 2007 -
Topics and threads are not going to be made the targets of anything. What was going on here might not have been obvious, but I have seen it before, and I have seen that there was a gradual deterioration of my board going on.

I am eager to see further discussion of mind control, but I do not want to see people attacked personally, however subtle the attack, because they don't agree with another person's theories. It's about ideas and information, not personalities.

Whitley Strieber Posted on Saturday, April 21, 2007 -
"This is a plea to the good folks here who have ever cared about people who believe that SOME alien abduction is also related to human interference. We have been for all intents and purposes been silenced."

That is not true. Posters who engaged in subtle and/or overt attacks on those who did not agree with them have been removed from the board in hope that it will help bring the board back to its former level of excellence. Over time, they had driven away a lot of good posters who did not agree with the mind control hypothesis.

I am all for the mind control threads. I believe that some element of mind control is involved. As a child, I had direct experience of it.

There is no reason not to discuss it. But to create an atmosphere where posters feel that they will be unwelcome if they post other ideas in this thread or anywhere else on the board--that is not acceptable.

Whitley Strieber Posted on Saturday, April 21, 2007 -
This thread is still about mind control. But as far as Susano/Thomaspayne and Patricia/Lilypat are concerned, they simply are not welcome here, I'm sorry. Just read their posts on Black Vault where they are, respectively, Thomaspayne and Lilypat and you'll see why, although you probably won't agree with me. An example of the latest claptrap is that it was "no coincidence" that I banned them on Adolf Hitler's birthday, if indeed, it was his birthday, which I neither know nor care.

I just don't feel we need posters like that. What can they accomplish, except to confuse the extremely serious issue that is addressed in this thread, which is the question of the degree to which people in the US have been harmed by secret mind control operations.

I don't need disinformers and agents-provacateurs around here, frankly, and if you wish to be loyal to them, then that's your call, but that's what I think they probably are.

I was hoping to attract people to this particular thread who had actual experience with mind control. For example, the kids who were taken to Tallahasee by the Finders in 1985. I have reason to believe that some of them, now young adults, may still be alive. But with posters ready to sneer at their least efforts to be heard, how are they going to stay around here? The answer is only this: maybe they will show up again.

If you want to play footsie with the intelligence pros who troll this neck of the woods looking for information, please do so, but I hope you will not find them on this board.


Whitley Strieber Posted on Saturday, April 21, 2007 -
As far as this site getting ready to stop, I am not so sure. The message board has a couple of thousand posters. There are a couple of thousand subscribers. Thirty thousand free newsletter subscribers. A quarter of a million regular free Dreamland listeners. A million visitors a month to the site itself, generating sixty million hits.

So, the message boards may be going through a spot of bother, but the site itself is healthy.

Whitley Strieber Posted on Saturday, April 21, 2007 -
Nobody invalidated anybody, as far as I know. My problem is that claiming that mind control is the only answer and all but making a religion out of it, then attacking those who disagree and calling them names is the kind of toxic stuff I, personally, can do without.

If you were a government agent intent on wrecking this board and leaving people with the impression that mind control is THE answer, this is how you would do it.

There are vulnerable people around here, and the internet is a shark tank. I guess trying to brain the sharks in a setting like this is the equivalent of tilting at windmills, but I do try. Foolish boy.

Whitley Strieber Posted on Sunday, April 22, 2007 -
My life is threatened in my own chatroom by somebody who then proceeds to move from San Francisco to Austin, Texas, just a few miles from where I was then living. When I turn over the chat transcripts to the authorities, they warn me that this individual is almost certainly extremely dangerous to me, but they can do nothing because there is no certain way to link the words in the transcript to the individual involved.

But they do watch the individual for a while, intending to make an arrest if the individual comes near me or my home.

I spend my nights with this, for years, while watching the individual's friends continue to snipe at me on my own message boards, at my expense, and to excoriate me under other names on other boards.

I bear this for more years, even after I finally move away from my home, largely because of the pressure of fear.

Then I see, on another board, this comment by one of them:

"Think of rabbit stew and rabbit fur! Rabbit fur coats are always so pretty! Have you ever tried hunting? I have not yet, but I would love to"

That is a threat. A death threat. It was made just a few days ago, and led directly to the removal of three individuals from my board.

But it did not remove the danger that I believe these people represent.

But, of course, that's just me scapegoating, isn't it? Sorry!

Whitley Strieber Posted on Sunday, April 22, 2007 -
Yes, it's all my fault! I somehow psychically anticipated the threat on BV. So it was all caused by me. And when the gun goes off in my stupid face, my fault again--I had it coming, after all, right?

I am coming to hate this board--or, at least, this putrid thread.



Whitley Strieber Posted on Sunday, April 22, 2007 -
How incredibly insensitive and vicious some of these posts are. "Could only be seen as threatening by a paranoid?" Where do you get off?? But, of course, you have nothing to worry about. You can't be recognized on the street like I can. And if I do get my brains blown out, what fun for you! A couple of days of great news stories--UFO nut shot by another UFO nut. Hilarious!

Anne Strieber Posted on Sunday, April 22, 2007 -
I rarely get involved here, but it's obvious to me that you people are baiting my husband. Teasing him because he is frightened by an obvious threat. It's vile, what you are doing, and yet he spends his money to let you do it. As far as I am concerned, this whole board thing should end. You're horrible.

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[Evutch]

you know, usernameless, that posting and dittoing, and repeating crap, and it is crap, at other boards, about other boards, is like talking talk, and is not only a bore, but very unwelcome.
yes, half of the world in the cyber matrix has heard of the great unknown country massacre..and having been there, before and after, i see the instigators of this are still there, being impossible, and bullying others, while throwing the label around..
BUT i'm not going to continue this nonsense here, you want to get smart, meet me at the Black Vault, the warzone section, and we will continue this..
you are posting very selected and subjective quotes here, without acknowloging other telling posts from a fight that does NOT belong here..
and telling only part of this story is the same as lying.
so again if you think you have something to get off your back, come with me to the battle zone at Black Vault, and we'll see who has the jelly in the donut..this posting is the example of the stupidity that has taken place at Unkown Country, and very telling of the type of people who have taken over there..i can only hope that anyone reading this doesn't take this as representitive of ALL the board at UC, there are some good people left, they are just quiet now..trying to avoid the idiocy.

i haven't been here (RI) long, and i really like the place, but push it, and i will risk getting banned here, just to call you out.

i apologise to all the posters of RI for putting my two cents in reply to this cretin here..
i am just fed up with all of the cross over trolling going on..
i can get very obtuse and somewhat excited, and i promise i won't make a habit out of this kind of posting..

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it's a good thing evutch called the previous poster on this. at any
rate, the topic of whitley strieber needs another thread, not this
one.

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Usernameless (lol) (or would that be Deanna Dube?), you don't wanna go there - NOT HERE.

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For all the RI folks (with the WAY-above-room-temperature IQs and interest in MC) who read this thread--I know how boring it is to have vicious flamewars on other boards imported and shoved in your faces. Just please skim *this thread* if you want to suss out my motives/attitudes and above all behavior/manners.

And I apologize for this intrusion of UC pathology into Jeff's territory. Though it's VERY directly connected to the topic of mind control/alien abductions, it's still not "of this board" and I hope that the anonymous poster will cease and desist.

When my own battle wounds heal a bit more, I'll get back on-topic. Everything is a Learning Experience, right? I keep waiting for that Ph.D. to arrive in the mail after the past couple of weeks

LilyPat

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film Monarch: The New Phoenix Program

Friends,
The film, Monarch: The New Phoenix Program, has been well received. If you wish a free copy please send your mailing address and I will mail one the same day. If you received it already and are distributing it to other TI's (free) then please include the following communications that detail what I have in mind for the film and what the next film/book project is about. I believe we have reached a tipping point in the program and this madness will either become public in the next 1-2 years or a catastrophic event will allow them to rule as a dictatorship in the open. The messages below are also attached.
Thank you for the feedback on the film and for distributing it to new TI's
marshall thomas

Dear TI's
The film, Monarch: The New Phoenix Program, and the book by the same name are free to all TI's to copy and sell on the internet.

The main ideas for the initiative are:

1) Get the information out to the general public.

2) Allow TI's to make money to fund projects.

3) Make it hard to destroy one website and stop the film/book.

I have several requirements:

1) Use the full name, Monarch: The New Phoenix Program, and my name, Marshall Thomas. This makes it possible to find the info with a simple google search using my name and Monarch, or the full name of the film. If you just use Monarch, it will be submerged by other searches using the term monarch.

2) The info (DVD/book) should be free to all TI's.

3) Mail the film/book to local media or other media entities…local cable access channels, podcasts, etc…use your imagination.

The film, The Franklin Conspiracy was suppressed and all copies destroyed. Let's not let this happen again. The early version of the film is free on www.youtube.com/marsboy683 go to the link, click playlist, click Monarch, click play all videos, and the segments will play in order.

The book and ebook and DVD will soon be for sale on www.lulu.com, www.theconnextion.com , amazon, barnes and noble, search book/film, Monarch, or go to google and type Marshall Thomas, Monarch.

The DVD upload is not yet complete, please wait until 7/1/07 to give me time to work out the bugs. The book is free, (lulu.com) just click preview and copy it off the website. Good luck, thanks for your help under impossible circumstances. Marshall Thomas, marsboy683@yahoo.com

Dear TI,

I recently completed a film and book on the program entitled, Monarch: The New Phoenix Program. My next project is a follow on film/book that tells more about the individual TI experience. I need personal testimony in two different forms, video and written. Your identities need not be revealed. The technology and means of attack are designed to make our personal stories sound crazy. For this reason I need video of TI's using a webcam, vhs, or other, stating simple factual statements, not long involved stories. The statements I need will form a video montage, here are some of the following ideas for statments:

Example: 1 st person "I am being physically tortured, cut 2nd person "I am being physically tortured" cut 3rd person …

My name is (your first name or alias) and I am a victim of electronic harassment.

I am being tortured with electromagnetic weapons.

I am being physically burned, (type of physical attack i.e shocks, stings)

I am tormented and abused everyday.

They are trying to force me to commit suicide.

They are trying to make me retaliate in order to discredit me, and

In order to make me appear mentally ill.

This torture has been going on for (# years).

I have appealed to the authorities, but no one will help me.

They have driven me out of my home.

They have driven out of my place of employment.

I am stalked and harassed in public in an organized fashion.

These statements are factual statements that will not alienate non-TI's that I can successful incorporate into my next film.

The second part of the project is a book composed of short, conscise accounts of your story. I need 10-12 TI's who can tell their story in a very sober and clincal manner that will not alienate the reader. Example: I do not tell non-TI's that my genitals are attacked electronically.

I will not censor you story, and any changes I make prior to publication will be cleared with you.

STORIES SHOULD BE 5-10 PAGES LONG. I cannot use long involved stories. I will include some documentary evidence, please submit it to me electronically, not through the mail. Please do not send me physical evidence. Please do not send me complex long accounts of your torture, or who you THINK is doing it to you.

The film has been well received, the book is difficult for TI's to read due to their torture. I think a second film and book will be very helpful to our cause.

Please try to communicate with me through email, not phone, which is heavily attacked. Thank you for all your help and perseverence. The nature of your torture makes fighting back difficult if not impossible. Do what you can, but do not push yourself beyond your limits. I believe that the program has reached a tipping point where either this will become public in the next 1-2 years, or the evil minds behind it will take the program to the next level of world wide torture and control. You people are the world's best hope, your torture will not have been in vain, and even if we fall in our struggle, in the end we will prevail.

Marshall Thomas, marsboy683@yahoo.com

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