Jani's at the mercy of her mind

[Jeff]

Since I've banned agitprop for trolling, and it was largely on account of his disruption of this thread that it went askew, and because I've received notice that there's interest in continuing this conversation, I'm unlocking the thread.

[Alyxical]

Since I've banned agitprop for trolling, and it was largely on account of his disruption of this thread that it went askew, and because I've received notice that there's interest in continuing this conversation, I'm unlocking the thread.

Thank you for the unlocking. I haven't contributed to this thread, but I've been following it and thought it was a terrible shame it ended up getting trolled to death.

[lightningBugout]

Jeff thank you there is alot left to cover. I wanted to ask, but since I was one of the peeps who lost his cool w/ AP, didn't feel like it'd be fair to ask. Thank you.

[Maddy]

Thanks, Jeff!

[lightningBugout]

FYI I bounced this thread off several professional friends. I doubt either of them had time to read the entire thing but the consensus was strong that something stinks to high heaven about this story.

[Col. Quisp]

FYI I bounced this thread off several professional friends. I doubt either of them had time to read the entire thing but the consensus was strong that something stinks to high heaven about this story.

In what respect?

And thanks Jeff for getting rid of the troll. Can't believe how bold those agents are getting...i mean calling itself "agitprop." Not too subtle. (sarcasm!!)

[lightningBugout]

From how it was relayed to me -- the general notion that what is going on is a tremendously rare breed of innate schizophrenia in Jani, sounded absurd at best.

[wordspeak2]

I hope some folks are still p[aying attention to this thread; it's an important one.

My sister has been involved in the movement of primarily "psychiatric survivors" against the psychiatric system and pharmaceutical industry for a long time. The group she's involved with does public education as well as promoting holistic alternatives to drugging by holding free yoga and acupuncture classes, as well as a peer support group. I showed her the L.A. Times article and this thread, and she was moved to write a response. For some reason she couldn't sign on to RI, so I'm posting it for her. FYI, our father is a psychiatrist, and this has been, needless to say, a hot topic in our family for many years. Anyway, here's what she says:


Jani's at the mercy of her mind? Or is Jani at the mercy of her toxic drugs, the drug company agenda, and her treatment plan?

Just how long has this kid been on toxic, not tested for children, illegal
in some country, drugs? The article reads:

In December 2007, they were referred to Dr. Linda Woodall, a psychiatrist
in Glendale. Jani's medical records for the following year depict a doctor
searching for effective medications while her patient slid further into a
world stalked by rats and cats.

So..... according to this they were referred in '07 and she already had at
least a year of working with a psychiatric who was searching for
effective medication. This means Jani was already on psychiatric drugs in
2006, born in 2002, thus likely to be taking psychiatric drugs at age 4,
and no reason to even believe THAT was the beginning.

And which drugs? How many? At what dose? We don't know... and that glaring omission may just be where some of the answers to Jani's problems lay.

I have spent years working with people with psychiatric diagnoses who have been on psychiatric drugs (many of whom have taken themselves off these drugs). This has also been an extensive area of research for me. I have heard and read about psychiatric drugs, particularly neuroleptics playing roles in "psychotic symptoms" such as violent outbursts, hearing voices, hallucinations, blood sugar problems that contribute to extreme mood swings (to name a few). May it be the drugs, combined with the sleep deprivation combined with the active imagination, rather than
�schizophrenia, that are at play for Jani here? The claims of people on
this post that we are all "playing psychiatrists," or whatever, are going
along with the sad assumption that psychiatry has enough legs to stand on
that the "training" a psychiatrist gets leads them to effectively "treat"?
these "mental illnesses." If this were the case, why would World Health
Organization studies result in displaying that people with "schizophrenia"
symptoms and diagnoses had better recovery rates in Nigeria, where they
used *significantly* fewer psychiatric drugs?

Jani's ideas about the rats are intriguing but at no point seem terribly
concerning (doesn't she after all love the rats and feel as though the
rats love her?) Her violent outbursts and desire to throw herself out the
window, however, are seriously concerning. But are these seriously
concerning symptoms, better approached by any of the many age-old
remedies rather than corrupt, Nazi-rooted, Eli Lily-created chemical
warfare originally designed as "chemical lobotomies." If the drugs are
helping create the symptoms in the long-term, but seeming to ease some of them in the short-term then family members will often be trapped in a
two-fold manner.... one being the belief that the drugs are working, at
least to provide some relief, and two being the belief that without them
these drugs that the "symptoms" (rather than "side effects," or simply
"effects" of the drug) that are still appearing will get worse (which they
often will during withdrawal, but again, related to the drugs, as that's
withdrawal).

This article, while in some ways appearing to be critical and complex...
is in fact consistently supporting the simplistic mainstream myth of
psychiatry, i.e.:

"Mental illnesses" are inherent physiological or brain problems that a
person is often born with or inevitably "develops" at a given age. This
mental illness will be with the person for the rest of their life, there
is no cure, but there is primary way to treat it, the only primary way,
since it's the only thing "strong" enough and that is (bring in the
billions to back up this statement) psychiatric drugs.


Recommendations on the subject, online:

*The case against antipsychotic drugs: a 50 year record of doing more harm
than good.
(Easily downloadable at:
www.freedom-center.org/pdf/whitakercase ... eptics.pdf


A list of articles, resources, organizations dedicated to doing work about
psych
abuse..http://www.freedom-center.org/web-links ... s-and-more

BOOKS: (all books can be found on the madmarket,
www.mindfreedom-center.org)

-Your Drug May be Your Problem: Peter Breggin

-Deprived of Our Humanity: The Case Against Neuroleptic Drugs
Lars Martensson, M.D.

-Mad in America by Robert Whitaker

[Cosmic Cowbell]

Just how long has this kid been on toxic, not tested for children, illegal in some country, drugs? The article reads:

In December 2007, they were referred to Dr. Linda Woodall, a psychiatrist
in Glendale. Jani's medical records for the following year depict a doctor
searching for effective medications while her patient slid further into a
world stalked by rats and cats.

So..... according to this they were referred in '07 and she already had at
least a year of working with a psychiatric who was searching for
effective medication. This means Jani was already on psychiatric drugs in
2006, born in 2002, thus likely to be taking psychiatric drugs at age 4,
and no reason to even believe THAT was the beginning.

Um..The referral occurred in December of 07. The records ( as I read this) reflect what followed after the referral and is NOT referring to any treatment prior to the end of 07.

BTW - I'm now convinced the parents are Evil, the doctors are Evil, big pharma is Evil, UCLA is Evil and we should all listen to Tom Cruise. Or Mac.

[teamdaemon]

I agree with wordspeak about psychiatry in general. My stance on this comes from the perspective of a person who has been on both the receiving and the administering end of these drugs. The sad truth is that these drugs are a malicious scam, and they make people worse. Often times they create permanent problems where non existed previously. You can generally get this information from just about anyone with limited experience taking the drugs themselves who were able to escape the brainwashing that comes with them.

July 8, 2008: Claps hands, hops (tic-like); food can't touch; strips clothes off if she thinks they have a spot. Wants order and perfection in play, toys, stories.

This is classic autistic behavior. The reason this article doesn't smell right is probably that the child is autistic and being "treated" as a schizophrenic. Schizophrenia has always been a pseudoscientific designation that is based on the narrative accounts of the patient as opposed to scientific diagnosis. Sometimes severely autistic patients have hallucinations and mood swings, and this prompts their psychiatrists to diagnose comorbid bipolar disorder or schizophrenia.

I have worked with autistic people who act almost exactly like this, except that they were adults. Hallucinations of monsters on a daily basis as well as extreme tics and total disorientation were commonplace. These people are in the hands of incompetent sleepwalkers in the case of low level caretakers, and brainwashed nazi-inspired control freaks in the case of their psychiatrists. Considering the numerous accounts of antipsychotics causing hallucinations and general insanity in otherwise sane and healthy people, I tend to think that in cases like this the drugs create many of the symptoms and make existing ones worse.

I avoided this thread because of the 30+ pages and assumed it had been diverted off topic. Thanks for opening it, Jeff.

Also, enough with the fucking Tom Cruise innuendo. If any of you were wondering why scientology is allowed to run rampant, it's because they're discredtting people who question the conventional wisdom on this issue. They are expanding the use of these drugs and very clearly trying to consume the whole population.

[justdrew]

This thread doesn't deserve to have Tom `fucking' Cruise thrown in it's face.

[MacCruiskeen]

This thread doesn't deserve to have Tom `fucking' Cruise thrown in it's face.

No indeed. Like Cosmic Cowbell's very first deposit on this thread (on page 32, immediately before the locking), the Cruise Missive is just a weak dribble of territorial piss. Tom Cruise admires Stanley Kubrick, therefore (according to the Cowbell's kindergarten logic), Kubrick's work must now also be beneath serious consideration. So it goes, in the kindergarten at least, on bad days at least, among the younger kids at least. But at least we have now all finally noticed CC's presence, and that's clearly the main thing, at least to CC.

Re: autism. Maddy suggested this many pages ago, but, as I argued back then, I see no reason whatsoever to suspect that Jani is autistic. (I should add that I say this on the basis of having read the entire blog, every single word of it, god help me. This doesn't mean I'm necessarily right, of course, just that I'm advancing a strongly-held opinion on the basis of all the evidence available to us.) She's just a battered, neglected, abused, harrassed, tormented, shockingly misunderstood, incessantly pestered six-year-old child, and now routinely very heavily medicated to boot.

But otherwise normal, as far as I can see. Desperate at times, and currently drugged into near-submission against her will, but otherwise normal. Anyone else would behave a bit strangely under her terrible personal circumstances. Anyone else would feel inclined to withdraw more and more into a comforting imaginary world. Neither natural numbers nor the elements of the periodic table have ever yet hit her or plied her with brain-poison. Made-up rats and cats show her more respect and understanding than the real adults who surround her. Her imaginary friends are the truest friends she's got.

The case has tested the limits of the young doctor's expertise.

"Jani knows she is different from other children," she says. "She has a degree of insight. She says, 'If my parents don't love me, I'll go live with my rats.'

NB Even Michael Schofield himself says that Jani was a sociable and friendly and highly curious and notably "well-behaved" (sic) child, until the arrival of her baby brother in December 2006 -- when he was "freaking out" (sic) at not having a teaching job, and when "the hitting began" (a typically evasive formulation, that; the passive voice is his friend, but not hers).

ON EDIT: Quote from LA Times article added.

[Project Willow]

This thread doesn't deserve to have Tom `fucking' Cruise thrown in it's face.

It's the symbol on the podium, that's a cult symbol, with just a tad of alteration (actually none needed in certain places) that's the symbol under which many, many people have been tortured. The insignia on the... it's just too ugly.

It makes my head hurt, amongst other things.

[nathan28]

[a bunch of bullshit]

IIRC you are a childhood contactee, at least by your claims. That sounds like a readymade "schizophrenia" diagnosis to me. You want to run it by your psychiatrist and Michael Schofield to check? Maybe you think you deserve the treatment she's received?

[Cosmic Cowbell]

[a bunch of bullshit]

IIRC you are a childhood contactee, at least by your claims. That sounds like a readymade "schizophrenia" diagnosis to me.

Ah...another "internet doctor" with a "readymade diagnosis". I'll assume you've consulted with Dr. Mac?. Either that, or you've must have read my blog....

BTW- Mr. Cruise certainly does belong in this thread. Just as he talks out his ass about psychiatry and drugs, so too, do several participants in this thread.