Giffords shooting

[nathan28]

CNN on the air has guys wearing white coats smiling, talking about recovery. Web page says:

Breaking News: Giffords' move to Houston 'flawless,' doctors say

Rep. Gabrielle Giffords smiled and teared up when she heard applause from well-wishers while she rode in an ambulance for a transfer to Houston, a doctor said.

I would say it's reckless sentimentalism, but the top story (getting double the impressions as the Giffords one) right now is "German doctors charged in porn star death", about a breast implantation surgery gone wrong.

[nathan28]

KWH ALERT: New Imaging Method Opens a Long-Term Porthole Into the Deep Brain

[stillrobertpaulsen]

Just wanted to ask if anyone knows if it has been verified how Judge John Roll found out that Congresswoman Giffords was holding her event at the Safeway near his church. I've tried searching for a source that his wife said he received a call telling him to go there, but have yet to find it. So what kind of coincidence was this?

there's a quote of that and a link to the source in this thread, early pages, maybe 3-6
His wife said he got the call "an hour before" - so I've always kinda wondered who made that call... someone with Gifford's team, or JLL (or a JLL helper)?

the story has morphed a bit and I think there's three versions of the event out now... with a call the day before, way earlier in the morning and the original story of the hour-before call.

I found this on page 10 of this thread -

it's been said the Judge had no plans to be there and was called an hour beforehand and asked to attend. The report didn't say WHO made that call.

The reports I read stated that he was at a church meeting around the corner and stopped by to say hello, basically, he was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I searched and can't find anything definitive for a source. You're right, the story has been morphing, which disturbs me. Almost seems as though multiple versions will exist until the "correct" one is decided on.

[brainpanhandler]

Almost seems as though multiple versions will exist until the "correct" one is decided on.

[8bitagent]

Just wanted to ask if anyone knows if it has been verified how Judge John Roll found out that Congresswoman Giffords was holding her event at the Safeway near his church. I've tried searching for a source that his wife said he received a call telling him to go there, but have yet to find it. So what kind of coincidence was this?

there's a quote of that and a link to the source in this thread, early pages, maybe 3-6
His wife said he got the call "an hour before" - so I've always kinda wondered who made that call... someone with Gifford's team, or JLL (or a JLL helper)?

the story has morphed a bit and I think there's three versions of the event out now... with a call the day before, way earlier in the morning and the original story of the hour-before call.

I found this on page 10 of this thread -

it's been said the Judge had no plans to be there and was called an hour beforehand and asked to attend. The report didn't say WHO made that call.

The reports I read stated that he was at a church meeting around the corner and stopped by to say hello, basically, he was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I searched and can't find anything definitive for a source. You're right, the story has been morphing, which disturbs me. Almost seems as though multiple versions will exist until the "correct" one is decided on.

It's always a mystery.

Who called MLK and told him to check into the Loraine instead of the Rivermont hotel?
Who made the decision for RFK to abruptly go into the kitchen of the Ambassador hotel?

[DrVolin]

Or for the motorcade to take Elm into Dealey.

[Burnt Hill]

reckless sentimentalism?
She is a human being and part of a lot of peoples lives so I would fully expect her family to be hopeful and positive.
The fact that hope for recovery is being reinforced by the medical staff involved is a good thing.
I think we are being a little too cynical here.
I have nothing at stake and I want her to recover from this blatant attack.
Doesnt mean I dont care about the others wounded and killed -In Arizona- Iraq, Brazil, Australia, Afghanistan and on and on.

[8bitagent]

Or for the motorcade to take Elm into Dealey.

Exactly. And according to the official narrative, Sirhan Sirhan would be extremely psychic(maybe be learned psychic skills at the Rosicrucian order he belonged to?) as how the heck did he know to be in the Ambassador kitchen pantry when thats clearly not where RFK and his people were originally heading after the speech.

Also one has to wonder if MLK's murder would have gone as plan had he booked the Rivermont as originally planned.

I've seem no indication that JLL was anything more than a troubled kid rather than a handled manchurian; but there are a few humdingers with the whole fall out.

[surfaceskimmer]

Just wanted to ask if anyone knows if it has been verified how Judge John Roll found out that Congresswoman Giffords was holding her event at the Safeway near his church. I've tried searching for a source that his wife said he received a call telling him to go there, but have yet to find it. So what kind of coincidence was this?

Who made the call is not verified. The claim that such a call was made belongs to DHS.

See below:



Latest on shooting of Congresswoman Giffords...motivation: anti Semitic and she was the target

Greta Van Susteren | January 9, 2011 8:11 AM

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Below is a note from my FNC colleague Jennifer Griffin: (by the way, the fact that my blogs focus on Congresswoman Giffords in no way is meant to take away from the other victims and their families. The tragedy is immeasurable and words inadequate.)
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Per Griffin

This is an internal memo obtained by Fox News put out by DHS compiling facts known so far about the case - new - shooter's mother worked for Pima board of supervisers and the suspected anti-Semitic motivation of the shooter.

MEMO:
"The investigation has been taken over by the FBI, and is being run through the Tucson Command Post. Here's what can be confirmed at this time (1800 hrs)... * Gabrielle Giffords Is in ICU.* Federal judge John Roll is deceased. He did rule on a 32 million dollar civil rights lawsuit in February, 2010. That ruling brought death threats to Roll and his family, and for a time he was given a protection detail.* 6 deaths attributed to the shooting. 19 total people hit by gunfire.* suspect’s mother works for the Pima County Board of Supervisors* the suspect has multiple arrests ... But no criminal record? Intervention by someone?* no direct connection - but strong suspicion is being directed at AmRen / American Renaissance. Suspect is possibly linked to this group. (through videos posted on his myspace and YouTube account.). The group’s ideology is anti government, anti immigration, anti ZOG (Zionist Occupational Government), anti Semitic. Gabrielle Gifford is the first Jewish female elected to such a high position in the US government. She was also opposite this group’s ideology when it came to immigration debate.* DHS have a list of names and dates of birth of all victims.* the ACTIC is still playing a major role in the investigation... Computer forensics is cleaning up the surveillance videos, and images from around the scene, and involved in the investigation - working together, was MCSO, DPS, Phoenix PD, ICE, and of course the FBI. It did just come in from the command post, that the federal judge was Not originally scheduled to attend the meeting, according to wife. She stated that he received a phone call about an hour before and was invited to attend. Wrong place - wrong time. For the planning side, there are impromptu memorials popping up all over the state, but the largest one is downtown phoenix, at the capital."
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Read more: http://gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com/late ... z1BjjdVTws

[Elvis]

Gabrielle Gifford is the first Jewish female elected to such a high position in the US government.

I think that distinction might belong to Bella Azbug.
Or I guess they mean only in Arizona?

[nathan28]

reckless sentimentalism?
She is a human being and part of a lot of peoples lives so I would fully expect her family to be hopeful and positive.
The fact that hope for recovery is being reinforced by the medical staff involved is a good thing.
I think we are being a little too cynical here.
I have nothing at stake and I want her to recover from this blatant attack.
Doesnt mean I dont care about the others wounded and killed -In Arizona- Iraq, Brazil, Australia, Afghanistan and on and on.

Nobody said they don't want her to recover.

My experience is that most people's understandings of the realities of recovery from brain injury--which includes comas--are so unrealistic that those expectations, founded in a fantasy world presented by the media, are themselves a cause of tremendous suffering. See Terry Schiavo, or any ICU ward.

For every Phineas Gage story, like that 1990s Harrison Ford film posted above, there's a half-dozen soap operas where comas and a dozen action movies where comas ans severe concussions amount to little more trouble than sleeping past the alarm clock. Now CNN's editors think the American public is so stupid it'll believe that a 9x19mm to the head is a minor inconvenience. This is a shameless attempt at middlebrow emotional exploitation.

and on edit, this type of bullshit is manifest right here. I can practically hear some Henry Luce wannabe saying "focus on the Dickensian aspect" right now. Or "run with a picture of a hot chick".

[nathan28]

Seems relevant, partly in light of the "Spiritual Fitness" thread getting kicked. It's surprising that Giffords isn't mentioned.

F/t @ RawStory: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/01/congress-investigate-pentagons-decision-deny-coverage-brain-injured-troops/

A key congressional oversight committee announced Friday that it was opening an investigation into the basis of a decision by the Pentagon's health plan to deny a type of medical treatment to troops with brain injuries.

Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-MO), the chairman of the subcommittee on contracting oversight, said she wanted to examine a contract issued by Tricare, an insurance-style program used by soldiers and many veterans, to a private company to study cognitive rehabilitation therapy for traumatic brain injury. Such injuries are considered among the signature wounds of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

The study, by Pennsylvania-based ECRI Institute, found insufficient or weak evidence to support the therapy. Often lengthy and expensive, cognitive rehabilitation programs are designed to rewire soldiers' brains to conduct basic life tasks, such as reading books, remembering information and following instructions. ECRI's findings ran counter to several other studies, including ones sponsored by the Pentagon and the National Institutes of Health, which concluded that cognitive rehabilitation was beneficial.

[Twyla LaSarc]

it's been said the Judge had no plans to be there and was called an hour beforehand and asked to attend. The report didn't say WHO made that call.

The Judge's wife was the one who said he'd been called and asked to come. This was in several of the major stories when it all happened, and I've never seen a retraction, so am willing to let it ride.

However, there has been no information given as to who called him to appear.

Also, still haven't seen a reasonable explanation for how he came up with the money to buy the gun, extra magazines, hotel stay, etc.

Unemployed loners sure do have deep pockets...

[Joe Hillshoist]

Seems relevant, partly in light of the "Spiritual Fitness" thread getting kicked. It's surprising that Giffords isn't mentioned.

F/t @ RawStory: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/01/congress-investigate-pentagons-decision-deny-coverage-brain-injured-troops/

A key congressional oversight committee announced Friday that it was opening an investigation into the basis of a decision by the Pentagon's health plan to deny a type of medical treatment to troops with brain injuries.

Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-MO), the chairman of the subcommittee on contracting oversight, said she wanted to examine a contract issued by Tricare, an insurance-style program used by soldiers and many veterans, to a private company to study cognitive rehabilitation therapy for traumatic brain injury. Such injuries are considered among the signature wounds of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

The study, by Pennsylvania-based ECRI Institute, found insufficient or weak evidence to support the therapy. Often lengthy and expensive, cognitive rehabilitation programs are designed to rewire soldiers' brains to conduct basic life tasks, such as reading books, remembering information and following instructions. ECRI's findings ran counter to several other studies, including ones sponsored by the Pentagon and the National Institutes of Health, which concluded that cognitive rehabilitation was beneficial.

I knew kicking that thread would be a good idea.

Cheers.

[nathan28]

To be clear since I'm fairly hostile towards the concept of "recovery" I want to point out that me quoting the Raw Story piece about the Ins. Co. report that "head trauma recovery doesn't work" isn't in anyway sympathetic to that position, which is a manufactured denial-of-care piece of BS.

Also, still haven't seen a reasonable explanation for how he came up with the money to buy the gun, extra magazines, hotel stay, etc.

Unemployed loners sure do have deep pockets...

He wasn't a loner, or unemployed--he worked several minimum wage jobs and the media can't seem to iron out whether he lived with his folks or not, in which case, saving up $500 for a Glock (might even have been used), $30 for an extended clip and $50 for a no-tell motel room wouldn't have taken very long at all even at $7.25/hour.