Nuclear Meltdown Watch

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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby 23 » Mon Mar 21, 2011 7:58 pm

eyeno wrote:Already tried to broach the subject with my mother about getting ready but it wasn't real because wolf blitzer didn't tell her. Thinking about leaning on her.


You piqued my curiosity, eyeno.

What kind of preparations (AKA "getting ready") would require your mum's cooperation?

Are you contemplating a physical relocation?

Absent that, I'm having difficulty see what kind of preparations would require her cooperation.

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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby eyeno » Mon Mar 21, 2011 8:11 pm

23 wrote:
eyeno wrote:Already tried to broach the subject with my mother about getting ready but it wasn't real because wolf blitzer didn't tell her. Thinking about leaning on her.


You piqued my curiosity, eyeno.

What kind of preparations (AKA "getting ready") would require your mum's cooperation?

Are you contemplating a physical relocation?

Absent that, I'm having difficulty see what kind of preparations would require her cooperation.

TIA



Nothing drastic. Just to get her thinking about what she would need if the need arises to stay indoors for a while. "If" this becomes a reality the water would be polluted most likely and she needs to think about those things. Barrels for water maybe? Don't know really. Mainly I want her to be ready in case panic breaks out so the shelves won't be bare.

I guess what I am wondering is what do you guys think about the possibility that this scenario might hit home? Just thinking about this makes me absolutely sick for the japanese. I'm worried the shevles might not have anything on it for her and people are sleeping in the snow starving. I cannot imagine what it must be like over there.
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby 23 » Mon Mar 21, 2011 8:20 pm

Thanks for the response.

I can't predict whether it will hit home, and at what severity. I doubt anyone can. But you don't have to know for sure, to prepare yourself for the worst case scenario.

As for barrels of water, several 5 gallon plastic bottles should do it.

You obviously care about her, so I'd stock up on some emergency provisions for her. She doesn't have to agree with your raison d'etre for doing so. But she'll be glad that you did, if that time ever comes.

Other people's mileage on this issue may vary, of course.
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby Nordic » Mon Mar 21, 2011 8:24 pm

FWIW I had a talk with my dad about this situation. I, living on the West Coast, was very worried about all of this (and still am).

My father was a career Army officer during the cold war. He was stationed in Germany a great deal, where I was in fact born, and a second time from 1970 to 74.

He has three engineering degrees and was involved in nuclear trigger research in Livermore. He also was involved in developing many of our "smart" munitions that are now being used, and the MLRS rocket system. Lots of other stuff too.

But basically he was trained to fight a nuclear war. So he actually knows a great deal about this sort of thing. One could argue the military told him a lot of bunk, but he's enough of a scientist to do his own homework (and always does, rather compulsively and obsessively).

At any rate, he assured me that the radiation hitting the West Coast of the U.S. from this is miniscule, and nothing to worry about.

Of course, that was based on what he knew at the time, and what his experience was.

Granted, we are in unchartered waters with this thing, and the future is uncertain.

But whereas one day I was actually looking at the price of plane tickets to Argentina (expensive! especially for four people, unaffordable, in fact), talking to him made it pretty clear that there's nothing to panic about.

Yet.

If you're in Japan? Different story.

At any rate, I'm still here, in Los Angeles, not too terribly worried about my family's safety from this at the moment.

And really, if it does get bad, it seems the only place to really get away is the Southern Hemisphere.

Australia, here we come. Maybe.
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby WakeUpAndLive » Mon Mar 21, 2011 8:33 pm

justdrew wrote:I'm just tapped out. I don't get it. This should already be far worse than it is. I don't really understand how it is possible that this is progressing so slowly.


I had the same thoughts shortly after the first explosion.


I noticed the same paragraph DoYouEverWonder. Seems this is common in the nuclear reactor industry though.
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby eyeno » Mon Mar 21, 2011 8:34 pm

justdrew wrote:
eyeno wrote:What do you guys think? Number 3 is over with. I've read enough to believe it. That one reactors is equal to god knows how many. Already tried to broach the subject with my mother about getting ready but it wasn't real because wolf blitzer didn't tell her. Thinking about leaning on her. Talk to me guys. I'm feeling a little tripped out. I don't know if I have looked at this too hard or not hard enough.

I know this http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... drugs.html was designed to be sensational but i'm really wondering where this is headed. This thread went quiet and and i feel like its because you guys are maybe like me. Not much else to see because the shit, whatever it is, has hit.

Where is justdrew? Hey drew.


I'm just tapped out. I don't get it. This should already be far worse than it is. I don't really understand how it is possible that this is progressing so slowly.



Me too bud. I feel sort of drained by this whole situation. I am thinking that a lot of this bs may just be story passing time while the rods burn. Who knows. But as volatile as this material is I am wondering how it hangs in there without going all the way.
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby eyeno » Mon Mar 21, 2011 10:04 pm

cnn just said isotopes found on west coast, brief mention, which means they will probably do a little story on it in a minute, heads up

I knew that shit was here. When I looked at those simulations, thought about the vent 7 days ago, i looked at the jetstream and counted the days. I figured yesterday or today we would have a cloud. bingo.
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby eyeno » Mon Mar 21, 2011 10:56 pm

Oh me...6 reactors with MOX. Ya'll....or hopefully only number 3, who the fuck knows

I'm gonna go have a good cry.......I already am. This is going to be really bad ya'll. It will last for months, and months, and months, and months.......even if two of them don't melt down this is still

4 reactors x say...25 years fuel =100 reactors

those mother fuckers




Plutonium in Troubled Reactors, Spent Fuel Pools

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Associated Press
March 18th, 2011

The fuel rods at all six reactors at the stricken Fukushima Dai-ichi complex contain plutonium — better known as fuel for nuclear weapons. While plutonium is more toxic than uranium, other radioactive elements leaking out are likely to be of greater danger to the general public.

Only six percent of the fuel rods at the plant’s Unit 3 were a mixture of plutonium-239 and uranium-235 when first put into operation. The fuel in other reactors is only uranium, but even there, plutonium is created during the fission process.

This means the fuel in all of the stricken reactors and spent fuel pools contain plutonium.

Plutonium is indeed nasty stuff, especially damaging to lungs and kidneys. It is also less stable than uranium and can more easily spark a dangerous nuclear chain reaction.
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Edited to remove my demands that you "hear me" and learn to combat this right now. That was meant for someone that does not have our eyes and it a skeptic that I am trying to take care of.


but, do it anyway, will ya? :lovehearts:



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Dr. Daniel Beilin: Radiation Protection, Now and Long Term

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By Dr. Daniel Beilin
Fortifyhealth.com
March 21st, 2011

It is critical for those in the U.S., especially on the West Coast, to adjust to the continuing increased radiation, potential radiation and the resulting food contamination from Japan’s tragic nuclear disasters. You can check daily Geiger readings for Northern California, which extends from San Luis Obispo to Mendocino.

Plan One is to optimize your own organs for detoxification and fortify your antioxidant reserves so as to be ready and protect your DNA and cell membranes. Plan Two is for when the radiation levels get above 60 Counts Per Minute (CPM), in order to specifically block the radioactive particles selectively.

It is important to remember to take action calmly, after clearly evaluating the degree of true risk.

The major radioactive elements currently headed for the US West Coast are Cesium 137, Iodine 131, and Tellurium (as well as unknown noble gases such as Xenon, which have not been measured at this time). Uranium and Plutonium may be present in Japan, but they are heavy atoms and do not usually traverse long distances.

Which ones are most troublesome? Cesium 137 and Iodine 131. The Iodine has short half-life of 7-8 days and should dissipate well before it reaches the West coast.

HOW DOES RADIATION CAUSE DAMAGE?

Many types of radiation occur naturally. Many types of low levels of radiation are harmless, but can create consequences, especially in children and young women.

Radiation works on a cellular level, reacting with the water in your body. It forms a free-radicals, that react with most cells in the body and can cause abnormal tissue growth that actively stimulates cancers.

Iodine 131 is only one part of the problem from Fukushima and does gravitate toward the thyroid and kidneys, and it can be blocked from the thyroid by dietary iodine. Iodine 131 poses a much smaller risk to adults (except young women). Chernobyl cancers occurred mostly in children because of the childhood growth process and dietary iodine deficiencies. Iodine depletion can be supplemented now and after exposure (there is a therapeutic window for weeks and even months after exposure).

Other radiation dangers include Krypton, Xenon, Cesium 137, Plutonium and Uranium (mixed oxides – MOX).

Plutonium and Uranium is being monitored by several academic physics departments at reliable universities.

In the case of a nuclear accident where we are over 100 miles away, it is not the acute exposure to radiation that is of great concern, but the continued exposures that store in the body and the ingestion of contaminated food and water. Here is a plan, as we move into a toxic era, for immediate concerns and long term life changes.

BEGIN WITH PROTECTION AND FORTIFICATION (Plan One)


MOST IMPORTANT: Antioxidant Mixes: Herbal and others such as Selenium (800mcg/day) provides catalysts to create removal of toxic free radicals created from radiation. Anti-Oxidant Blends may have N-Acetyl Cysteine, Resveratrol, Turmeric, Ginger, Rosemary, and Selenium. An excellent product is “Clinical Nutrients” “Supercritical Antioxidants“. A rough dosage is 3 caps twice a day. Note: glutathione may be a problem for those with mercury toxicity. It is important is to optimize the function of the detoxification organs that include the liver, kidneys, intestines, and the skin. IF YOUR ORGANS CAN’T DETOXIFY, YOU SIMPLY RE-CIRCULATE TOXINS.
AND DETOXIFY…

How to Clear and Optimize the Kidneys

You have heard that the radioactive Iodine goes straight to the thyroid. This is true. If you block the thyroid with iodine, the radioactive particles need another place to go, and that is the breast and the KIDNEYS.

The best kidney detox drop includes barberry, golden rod and juniper; I recommend combining a ‘spagyric-herbal’ liquid with a ‘Bucco’ tincture (Renalin/Bucco Drops) that I have used for the last 20 years to protect and facilitate kidney function. Dosage is 20 drops twice a day.

How to Optimize the Liver

The liver is best helped with Chinese herbs, specifically Minor Bupleurum, a traditional 3000 year-old formula and/or Milk thistle with Chelidonium and Dandelion, called “Lipotropic Factors” or “SLF-Liver“. Dosage is 2 tablets or capsules twice a day between meals. (a high quality freeze-dried combination)(FortifyHealth.com).

(Be careful NOT to get a product that is made in Japan, and now China or Taiwan).

Fallout Dosages: Remember to take enough of herbal mixes to make a difference. When it comes to herbs, one-a-day is not going to change anything. Read the label, and in stressed times take double the dose.

How to Protect the Skin

Vitamin D3 is vital! In times of radiation threat or cancer, up to 10,000 mg of D3 is appropriate.

Vitamin A for skin and lung protection at 50,000 IU is recommended and is non-toxic at those levels.

Fish Oils (from high-end companies ONLY (Nordic, Udo’s or Carlson OR Pure EFA) are essential to adequately protect cells and furnish healthy fatty acids to brain, lung, skin, breasts, etc. Dosage is 3-4000 mg/day.

As a general rule for all natural medicines, stop ONE DAY once a week, this allows the body to come back to its normal pattern, and then start again, which initiates a new response that is now containing a newer signal for healing.

HOMEOPATHIC MEDICINES INITIATING SPECIFIC PROTECTION..

X-Ray 1M: one dose of X-Ray 1M (totally safe), 10-15 pellets every 2 weeks.

Radium Bromatum 1M: one dose of Radium Brom 1M (safe) is 10-15 pellets every 2 weeks.

You can alternate between these two, one the first week, one the second week, and so-on.

Add the Following to your Diet List:

Cruciferous vegetables such as broccoli, cauliflower or brussel sprouts. Provides a barrier against toxic hormone processes involved with cancers (as certain estrogens feed tumors). Radioactive Iodine goes not only to the thyroid, but also breasts and kidneys.

Miso (local): Protects cellular metabolism with evidence for protection from radiation damage.

Sea Vegetables (kelp, arame): Contains Sodium Alginate, which acts to pick up heavy metals that may contain radioactive particles.

Black Tea: has shown some effectiveness against radiation

Plan Two: IF AND WHEN THE COUNTS EXCEED 60 CPM (Significant Signs)

Mushroom Blends and Herbs: (Reishi, Shiitake, Ligusticum, Astragalus, Grifola, Schizandra and Elutherococcus Ginseng)

Supplements that contain Potassium Iodide, (but under 25mg): We have a great product, Thyrosol, which starts to load the Thyroid, taken 2 twice a day. – And of course increased Kelp, Arame Seaweed or other Iodine-Containing seaweeds. WARNING: Do NOT take over 25 mg of Potassium Iodide (children only 5-10mg) Iodine is fine. unless there is a pronounced emergency of high I-131 levels high levels. Warning: If you develop palpitations or a fast heartbeat cut the dose in half or more. Conventional medicine says that the normal dose for complete Thyroid blocking in an adult is 130mg. The top Nuclear Medicine Radiologists tell us adequate blocking occurs at 65mg. (adult dose).

Bentonite or High Quality Clays: These absorb and promote excretion of toxic substances. ½ to 1 tsp in water once or twice a day.

Melatonin: Protects antioxidant activity and eliminates Hydroxyl Radicals caused by radiation. 5-10 mg/night.

Bicarbonate Salts (best without Sodium): Alka Seltzer GOLD is OK, but there is one called “Tri-Salts Powder” that does not contain any Sodium. Its my favorite. Studies show bicarbonates are protective of the kidneys that are sensitive to both radioactive iodine and Uranium.

Stay safe and let us know how we can help.

Dr. Daniel Beilin has practiced Natural and Integrative Medicine for 26 years in Northern California. He has lectured in over 13 countries and is the inventor of a scanning thermography medical device. Dr. Beilin is available by phone (831) 685-1125, or in-person in the San Francisco Bay area (Oakland and Santa Cruz), as well as Boston.

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Associated Press
March 18th, 2011

Plutonium in Troubled Reactors, Spent Fuel Pools

The fuel rods at all six reactors at the stricken Fukushima Dai-ichi complex contain plutonium — better known as fuel for nuclear weapons. While plutonium is more toxic than uranium, other radioactive elements leaking out are likely to be of greater danger to the general public.

Only six percent of the fuel rods at the plant’s Unit 3 were a mixture of plutonium-239 and uranium-235 when first put into operation. The fuel in other reactors is only uranium, but even there, plutonium is created during the fission process.

This means the fuel in all of the stricken reactors and spent fuel pools contain plutonium.
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Mar 21, 2011 11:12 pm

Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby 23 » Mon Mar 21, 2011 11:18 pm

eyeno wrote:Dr. Daniel Beilin: Radiation Protection, Now and Long Term
By Dr. Daniel Beilin
Fortifyhealth.com
March 21st, 2011


Thanks for including that article by Dr. Beilin, eyeno. It's rather comprehensive and pertinent.
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby anothershamus » Mon Mar 21, 2011 11:24 pm

http://www.thenation.com/authors/helen-caldicott


This article presents views of Helen Caldicott, a physician well known for her opposition to nuclear power and Alan Kohn, retired National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) official on the NASA plans to launch its Cassini mission to Saturn. According to Caldicott, the Cassini mission threatens the health of millions of people. Plutonium is so toxic that one pound distributed around the Earth in particles small enough to be inhaled could induce lung cancer in every person on the planet. Plutonium can also cause bone cancer, leukemia and liver cancer. In pregnant women it crosses the placenta to damage the developing embryo and in men it lodges in the testicles, where it can induce cancer and mutate genes responsible for future generations.
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby anothershamus » Tue Mar 22, 2011 1:14 am

This one on the other hand doesn't look that great!

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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby Nordic » Tue Mar 22, 2011 1:23 am

Anothershamus, what is that map, and where did it come from?

On edit:

Never mind, found it:

http://zamg.ac.at/aktuell/index.php?sei ... 21GMT10:22


Doesn't make sense, tho. Something with a half life of a little over 5 days inexorably covering the entire globe? It should fade out after 10 days or so.
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby eyeno » Tue Mar 22, 2011 2:01 am

Keith Harmon Snow said xenon 133 converts to cesium 137, but didn't tazmic debunk that?
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