IMF managing director arrested, accused of sexual attack

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Re: IMF managing director arrested, accused of sexual attack

Postby vanlose kid » Tue May 24, 2011 4:51 pm

barracuda wrote:I'd say if he's guilty, than yeah, it's a good thing. I mean, even accepting lupercal's idea that DSK was a selfless, heroic socialist, fighting to bring economic justice to the oppressed working peoples of the world by demanding fair and equitable wealth redistribution as the price of the aid of the IMF, with just the minor downside that he also possibly happens to be a serial rapist - is that who you want to support in this battle? So the bad guys win by kneecapping the Caped Crusader of French Economic Equality, while the IMF continues on their rampage of usurous destruction across the globe, and we celebrate the small victory on behalf of victims of rape.

On the other hand, maybe DSK just pissed off some of the hotel security with his "don't you realise who I am" bullshit, and they'd been talking for days about wishing they could cuff his ass with the local beat cops on their smoke breaks.



there's that too. agreed. not that i support DSK, though.

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Re: IMF managing director arrested, accused of sexual attack

Postby JackRiddler » Tue May 24, 2011 4:52 pm


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/2 ... view=print

French Women 'Stunned' By Public Misogyny Following DSK's Arrest


First Posted: 05/21/11 06:05 PM ET Updated: 05/21/11 06:14 PM ET




PARIS, May 21 (Reuters) - Angry French feminists say local media have been awash with male chauvinist comments since the arrest of former IMF chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn on charges he attempted to rape a New York hotel maid.

Feminist organisations published a petition saying they were "stunned by the daily flood of misogynist comments by public figures" since the French former finance minister was detained. He denies the charges and is currently on bail.

In their statement, the feminists said friends and allies of Strauss-Kahn had downplayed the plight of the alleged victim in their rush to defend the Socialist, who until his fall was well placed to beat President Nicolas Sarkozy in 2012 elections.

The lawyer for the maid said his client was a 32-year-old widow from the West African nation of Guinea, who has a daughter aged 15.

"We do not know what happened in New York on Saturday May 14, but we know what has been happening in France in the past week. We are witnessing a sudden rise of sexist and reactionary reflexes, so quick to surface among part of the French elite," the groups said in a statement on the website of Le Monde.

Organised by groups including "Osez le feminisme" and "La Barbe", the petition was signed by more than a 1,000 women, including TV journalist Audrey Pulvar, whose partner Arnaud Montebourg is bidding to be the Socialist candidate next year.

"There is a certain impunity in France when it comes to this kind of uninhibited sexism," the groups said.

The groups said that 75,000 women were raped in France every year and that sexist language in public tended to minimise the gravity of crime, turning it into a vague and more or less acceptable act.

The groups referred to specific statements, including one by former culture minister and Strauss-Kahn ally Jack Lang, who said Strauss-Kahn should have been released on bail earlier, considering that "nobody has died".

Journalist Jean-François Kahn, no relation, denied rape had taken place and dismissed the affair as "troussage de domestique", a phrase that evokes a master having non-consensual sex with a servant.

A friend of Strauss-Kahn and his journalist wife Anne Sinclair, Kahn later apologized for the remark.

"This kind of language generates an intolerable confusion between sexual freedom and violence towards women. Violent acts, rape, attempted rape and harassment are all the mark of men's desire to dominate women's bodies," the feminist groups said.

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Re: IMF managing director arrested, accused of sexual attack

Postby Nordic » Tue May 24, 2011 4:56 pm

wouldn't you think it was REALLY odd that a supposed 'feminist' was out there writing pieces that decried justice being vigorously sought?


Yes, I would, if that's what she was saying. But she's not. She's saying it's very fishy, which is something we actually almost all agree on!
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Re: IMF managing director arrested, accused of sexual attack

Postby Stephen Morgan » Tue May 24, 2011 5:28 pm

Union, you say. American unions are world famous for being controlled by government, corporations and organised crime and even in this country you get shameful events like the Nazi trade unionists who conspired against Yunus Baksh.
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Re: IMF managing director arrested, accused of sexual attack

Postby Canadian_watcher » Tue May 24, 2011 5:34 pm

Nordic wrote:
wouldn't you think it was REALLY odd that a supposed 'feminist' was out there writing pieces that decried justice being vigorously sought?


Yes, I would, if that's what she was saying. But she's not. She's saying it's very fishy, which is something we actually almost all agree on!


okay, but I take issue with her language.
There are ways of pointing out that this is fishy without making it sound as if we should be wistful for the grand old traditions in sex cases as she almost does here:
But the charges and trial [in the police rape case] have followed an often-seen pattern: the men’s supporters have vociferously defended their innocence (the presumption of which has been scrupulously upheld in the press); the victim’s pink bra has been the subject of salacious speculation, and her intoxication has been used to undermine her credibility. As the wheels of justice grind unglamorously forward, Mayor Michael Bloomberg has made no public statement supporting the victim’s side.


know what I'm sayin'? I have no problem with anyone wondering aloud if this isn't some sort of 'gotcha' frame up, but I think everyone should lay off the 'poor DSK' thing.
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Re: IMF managing director arrested, accused of sexual attack

Postby DoYouEverWonder » Tue May 24, 2011 5:38 pm

barracuda wrote:I'd say if he's guilty, than yeah, it's a good thing. I mean, even accepting lupercal's idea that DSK was a selfless, heroic socialist, fighting to bring economic justice to the oppressed working peoples of the world by demanding fair and equitable wealth redistribution as the price of the aid of the IMF, with just the minor downside that he also possibly happens to be a serial rapist - is that who you want to support in this battle? So the bad guys win by kneecapping the Caped Crusader of French Economic Equality, while the IMF continues on their rampage of usurous destruction across the globe, and we celebrate the small victory on behalf of victims of rape.

On the other hand, maybe DSK just pissed off some of the hotel security with his "don't you realise who I am" bullshit, and they'd been talking for days about wishing they could cuff his ass with the local beat cops on their smoke breaks.

Just because someone talks a good game, doesn't mean they mean it.

This fat cat was running for the presidency of France. Just like Clinton, Gore and Obama. They all talked a good game but nothing actually changes. Has the IMF forgiven anyone's debt lately?
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Re: IMF managing director arrested, accused of sexual attack

Postby Nordic » Tue May 24, 2011 6:13 pm

Canadian_watcher wrote:
Nordic wrote:
wouldn't you think it was REALLY odd that a supposed 'feminist' was out there writing pieces that decried justice being vigorously sought?


Yes, I would, if that's what she was saying. But she's not. She's saying it's very fishy, which is something we actually almost all agree on!


okay, but I take issue with her language.
There are ways of pointing out that this is fishy without making it sound as if we should be wistful for the grand old traditions in sex cases as she almost does here:
But the charges and trial [in the police rape case] have followed an often-seen pattern: the men’s supporters have vociferously defended their innocence (the presumption of which has been scrupulously upheld in the press); the victim’s pink bra has been the subject of salacious speculation, and her intoxication has been used to undermine her credibility. As the wheels of justice grind unglamorously forward, Mayor Michael Bloomberg has made no public statement supporting the victim’s side.


know what I'm sayin'? I have no problem with anyone wondering aloud if this isn't some sort of 'gotcha' frame up, but I think everyone should lay off the 'poor DSK' thing.


i'm not seeing any of that from her. what i'm seeing is a heavy dose of irony, and her saying "why aren't the cops doing their usual sexist lackadaisical and "doubt the victim" job thayt they always do?"
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Re: IMF managing director arrested, accused of sexual attack

Postby Canadian_watcher » Tue May 24, 2011 7:14 pm

Nordic wrote:i'm not seeing any of that from her. what i'm seeing is a heavy dose of irony, and her saying "why aren't the cops doing their usual sexist lackadaisical and "doubt the victim" job thayt they always do?"


yes, exactly. but what should be in her piece somewhere is an acknowledgment that the 'usual lackadaisical' status quo was a BAD thing and that she hopes the newfound trust in the victim is a trend, not an aberration.

As a guest blogger over at Feministe wrote:

Meanwhile, most of the media coverage remains devoted to politicians having fits over DSK’s treatment by the “violent” and “accusatory” American justice system. Most were content to call for a ‘respect of the presumption of innocence.’ Which is fine and fair, except that it seemed to have a disturbing corollary: If DSK is innocent until proven guilty, then while we assume he’s innocent… we must assume the victim was lying in the meantime. And when someone demonstrated empathy for the victim, they were accused to take sides (a particularly striking example is Michèle Sabban’s reaction to Clémentine Autain call for more sympathy here (link at source)).

The moral of the story seems to be that the true victim is DSK, and that it is his life, his pain and his plight that matters — not the woman’s
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Re: IMF managing director arrested, accused of sexual attack

Postby Peachtree Pam » Wed May 25, 2011 1:08 am

Here is a good overall summary of various angles to the case.

Reports are out that DSK's supporters are in Guinea to try and bribe the maid's family to make the accusations go away (or more likely to contribute some dirt on the woman).


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-05-2 ... tacle.html

Strauss-Kahn Evidence Supporting Forcible Sex Seen as Key Defense Obstacle

By Karen Freifeld and Greg Farrell - May 25, 2011 6:01 AM GMT+0200



Evidence that Dominique Strauss- Kahn’s encounter with a hotel maid may have involved force, including reports of blood at the scene, might damage any defense contention that she consented, former prosecutors said.

Strauss-Kahn is accused in a seven-count indictment of forcibly trying to have intercourse with the woman at the Sofitel hotel in midtown Manhattan, and of making her have oral sex with him. Strauss-Kahn, who resigned as head of the International Monetary Fund after being charged with sexual assault and attempted rape, plans to plead not guilty, his lawyers have said.

Reports have emerged since Strauss-Kahn’s May 14 arrest that physical evidence, including semen and a cut on the defendant’s back, suggests contact between the accuser, a 32- year-old West African immigrant, and Strauss-Kahn, 62. Strauss- Kahn hasn’t confirmed or denied there was an encounter, and his attorneys have hinted that, if there was one, it was consensual.

If the DNA evidence is straightforward and there are no big surprises along the way here, plea negotiations would seem inevitable,” Samuel Buell, a former federal prosecutor, said in a phone interview. “It may be a matter of some time before the defendant can be brought to understand the necessity of those discussions.”

A New York Police Department crime scene unit gathered evidence from Strauss-Kahn’s hotel suite, Assistant District Attorney John “Artie” McConnell told a judge last week. While the results of tests performed on material taken in the searches weren’t available as of the May 19 hearing, preliminary indications “support the victim’s version of events,” the prosecutor said.

Body Examined

Strauss-Kahn’s body was examined and photographed after his May 14 arrest. Defense lawyers Benjamin Brafman and William Taylor said their client agreed to a government request for a physical examination.

News organizations including the Wall Street Journal have reported that a DNA sample from Strauss-Kahn matched semen found on the maid’s shirt. According to other reports, carpet samples taken from the room may contain semen traces and blood was found on the sheets. Reports also said Strauss-Kahn cut his back on a piece of furniture in the room during a struggle with the victim, who told him that she didn’t want to have sex with him.

Erin Duggan, a spokesman for the New York District Attorney’s office, declined to comment on the reports. Paul Browne, a spokesman for the police department, didn’t return calls seeking comment. Brafman, who declined to comment on the reports, told a judge last week that the evidence was in his client’s favor.

‘Very Defensible’

“The forensic evidence, we believe, are not consistent with forcible encounter,” he said at Strauss-Kahn’s first appearance in Manhattan criminal court. “This is a very, very defensible case.”

If convicted, Strauss-Kahn faces as long as 25 years in prison. He has been free on $1 million cash bail and under home detention and armed guard since May 20. His arraignment is scheduled for June 6. In arguing against bail, McConnell said the accuser’s actions and the results of a physical examination supported her account.

“She made outcries to multiple witnesses immediately after the incident, both to hotel staff and law enforcement,” McConnell said at the May 16 hearing. “She was then taken to the hospital and was given a full sexual assault forensic examination. The observations and findings during that exam corroborate her accounts.”

Sign of Struggle

Any blood from a cut on Strauss-Kahn or the woman that was consistent with her resisting would subvert a defense that the sex had been consensual, said Paul Callan, a former New York prosecutor.

“Blood would be critical to prove physical force. If indeed there is an injury to his back, it corroborates a specific detail in her story,” Callan said in a phone interview. “Corroboration is very important. In a case where it’s he-said, she-said, it gives the jury something to rely on.”

Still, a plea is unlikely, said Callan, who represented the estate of Nicole Brown Simpson in a civil lawsuit against O.J. Simpson. The former football player was found liable for his ex- wife’s wrongful death after being acquitted on charges of murdering her and Ron Goldman.

With a plea, Strauss-Kahn “would become a registered sex offender and it would stain him for the rest of his life,” Callan said. “It’s going to be won or lost at trial.”

Defense lawyers may try to claim the maid exchanged sex for money, Callan said.

Not Pretty

“I don’t see the defense being able to make a compelling case” that the woman was “overcome by lust,” Callan said. “The details of the defense are going to be supplied as the case goes along, and it’s not going to be pretty for the victim.”

Callan said he was in the Manhattan District Attorney’s office the day the maid was reported to have testified before the grand jury.

“She had a hat on, large sunglasses and a silk scarf pulled across her face, which she put down as she walked past me,” Callan said. “She was surrounded by police detectives.”

Gained Credibility

Prosecutors said that the woman’s story gained credibility because she immediately reported the alleged incident to fellow workers. She also picked Strauss-Kahn out of a police lineup within 24 hours of the alleged attack. McConnell said Strauss- Kahn could be seen on a hotel video making an “unusually hasty” exit after the attack allegedly occurred.

Defense lawyers said their client was in a hurry to have lunch with his daughter before heading to a scheduled Air France flight. Also, they said, he later called the hotel looking for a mobile phone he thought he had left in his room and told the security staff where to find him. Police used that information to arrest him minutes before his plane was due to take off.

“If you just committed crime at a hotel in New York, the last thing I would want to do is report to hotel security where I am,” Brafman said at a bail hearing.

Brafman told French television’s TF1 on May 22 that, based on the evidence he had seen, his client would be acquitted at a fair trial.
Hard to Convict

Linda Fairstein, a former Manhattan prosecutor who specialized in cases involving sexual attacks, said that while the evidence reported so far seems to favor the prosecution, a conviction will be difficult to obtain.

Strauss-Kahn, a former French finance minister and member of France’s opposition Socialist Party, had been among the most popular possible candidates to contest France’s 2012 presidential election, according to opinion polls.

“I think it’s a tough case -- because of the facts and circumstances and the power dynamic between the witness, who is probably an uneducated or less educated employee doing a menial job, and a powerful, well-respected brilliant politician,” Fairstein said.

The New York Post, citing an unnamed French businesswoman, reported that friends of Strauss-Kahn offered money to the maid’s family in Guinea to make the case go away.

“There will be enormous pressure on her family in Africa, and undoubtedly her reputation will be vigorously attacked by supporters of Strauss-Kahn,” Callan said. “The biggest thing the prosecutor has to do is keep her available for trial.”

Without the victim, Fairstein said, “there is no case.”

The case is People v. Strauss-Kahn, 1225782, Criminal Court of the City of New York (New York County).
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Re: IMF managing director arrested, accused of sexual attack

Postby blanc » Wed May 25, 2011 1:29 am

JackRiddler wrote:
".So not that the question is the best way to divine a truth of this case, but what is really more in "the spirit of RI"? To expect that a conspiracy destroyed DSK, or to expect that there are a lot of rapists in high places?"

Both of these possibilities can be considered. Having a peccadillo seems to be a requisite for the entry to the club of the power hungry, and can so easily be used to bring someone temporarily to heel.

Some things that might have happened:-
The accused might be guilty as charged, events following the description given by the employee more or less to the letter.
The accused might be a person with a history of ignoring red lights and expecting to get away with it and a sense of entitlement towards the persons of minions, and this could have been exploited with or without the co-operation of the employee being obtained by threat or bribe in order to set him up. In such a set up, the police could have been either taken in or instructed, or simply doing their job.
Last fiction, least credible, the employee might have made up the whole story for some personal quirky reason such as is often attributed to rape victims by defense - you know, spite, consented but changed mind etc etc.

Most problematic, the post arrest perp walk etc. Would this be enough in the USA to disqualify the trial as unfair?
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Re: IMF managing director arrested, accused of sexual attack

Postby lupercal » Wed May 25, 2011 2:46 am

^ that seems reasonable blanc although it doesn't seem remotely possible that the disciplinary attentions lavished on DSK occurred by chance, at least to me. Unimaginable in fact. Anyway this next piece is long, so I snipped a part reviewing an article on socialistworker.org as I haven't seen it posted here, but it's even more scathing than his critique of Katha Pollitt's article (he calls it "unhinged") in case anyone's interested:
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The American “left” and the Strauss-Kahn affair
By David Walsh - World Socialist Web Site - 23 May 2011


The arrest May 14 in New York City of Dominique Strauss-Kahn, managing director of the International Monetary Fund and a leading French and global political figure, on sexual assault charges has triggered a significant chain of events. Strauss-Kahn, at first denied bail, was pressured into resigning as head of the IMF May 18, and any hope he had of becoming president of France in the 2012 election is presumably dead.

No one knows what went on in the Sofitel Hotel a week ago Saturday. The sexual assault charges against Strauss-Kahn are extremely serious ones, and if proven guilty, he deserves to be held accountable.

However, as is the case in all such affairs, little of the media uproar has anything to do with objectively setting out the facts of the case, delineating the personalities and issues involved or generally encouraging the emergence of the truth.

The American media has set about poisoning the atmosphere against Strauss-Kahn. The New York Times, the liberal newspaper of record, has been at the front of the pack, treating the French politician’s guilt as an accomplished fact.

Public opinion is formed quickly in such matters, and Times executive editor Bill Keller knows perfectly well what he is doing, helping to contaminate the pool from which Strauss-Kahn’s jury will eventually be selected. One of the Times’ most recent contributions was the May 20 piece, “At I.M.F., Men on Prowl and Women on Guard,” which described the institution as “a sharp-elbowed place ruled by alpha male economists.”

From the point of view of the American media, the affair has become the latest opportunity to divert attention from the social calamity at home and neocolonial wars abroad. Characterizations of the IMF “big shot” as a bestial, serial “rapist,” with their anti-French and anti-Semitic subtext, are aimed at whipping up the basest sentiments in the population.

The campaign in the New York media is receiving support from a shameful, if predictable, source. The American liberal left (the Nation) and “far left” (the International Socialist Organization) have added their voices to this retrograde campaign.

As we say, outside of allegations communicated by the police and the authorities, too little is known that could help anyone form a definitive opinion of the case.

What is known, however, is the context of Strauss-Kahn’s arrest, which takes on a special significance in this case and guarantees that it is not a routine celebrity scandal. These are fraught times in the ongoing economic crisis. The position of IMF director is at the center of bitter conflicts between different countries and between different sections of the ruling elite.

There is not only the possibility of a miscarriage of justice in this instance, but the prospect, as so often happens, that changes with far-reaching implications could be effected behind the backs of the population. Whether or not Strauss-Kahn is guilty, various forces will position themselves to exploit an opportunity created by murky events to achieve publicly unstated ends.

The so-called “left” serves a critical function. These middle-class elements become part of the process by which the whole business is concealed and the population misdirected. The “left” can be relied upon to participate in creating an atmosphere in which critical issues can be covered up.

In the Nation, in a piece posted May 19 (“DSK Déjà Vu”), Katha Pollitt treats Strauss-Kahn as more or less guilty as charged. In any event, his guilt or innocence doesn’t seem of much interest to Pollitt; the case simply fits in too neatly with her narrow political agenda.

She commits serious breaches of logic, which she apparently hopes a likeminded readership will not notice. Pollitt writes: “Indeed, like everyone charged with a crime, DSK is innocent until proven guilty, but can’t the French political and journalistic elite focus for two minutes on the crime of which he is accused? Say what you like about handcuffs and perp walks, they really don’t compare with a violent sex attack.”

Yes, but hold on one second. No crime has in fact been proven, it remains an allegation. The handcuffing, humiliation and political destruction of Strauss-Kahn, on the other hand, took place, in full public view.
Pollitt probably does not realize it, but her specious reasoning resembles that of the US establishment in the “war on terror” and beyond: police powers should be increased, because although they might lead to abuses here and there, the possible consequences of not giving the state massive new powers would be so catastrophic.

Pollitt scoffs at the notion that the case against Strauss-Kahn might possibly be “part of a political plot.” On what basis? What politically vigilant individual, alert to the massive damage done by the CIA, FBI, MI6, Mossad and other security agencies, could be so dismissive? Anyone thoughtless enough to exclude the possibility that Strauss-Kahn was set up, or at least that the affair is being used for political purposes, is either fooling herself or her readers.

Pollitt, who previously participated in the witch-hunts against Roman Polanski and Julian Assange, throws in rumors and innuendo about alleged past sexual wrongdoings, none of which led to criminal charges, to further incriminate Strauss-Kahn. She operates, in short, in the manner of a Murdoch-style tabloid journalist.

Further, she writes: “Now DSK’s defense attorney is saying the sex, if it took place, was consensual. Because nothing is more likely than that a housekeeper—a Muslim widow in a headscarf, no less—will leap at the chance to fellate a 62-year-old hotel guest who springs naked out of the bathroom.”

Pollitt seems satisfied to cite the allegations of the accuser, or the New York City police department. She apparently holds the view that the accuser should not be challenged or examined.

How does Pollitt know what went on in the hotel room? For her, a trial is simply a means of ratifying the authorities’ case against the accused. The Nation columnist takes the French politician’s guilt as her starting point and works backward.

The presumption of innocence, that the burden of proof lies with the state, is not a minor issue, to be paid lip service to and then dismissed, as with Pollitt. It is one of the foundations of any democratic legal system, set out in numerous law codes and constitutions, including the Declaration of the Rights of Man adopted by France’s National Assembly in August 1789, a fruit of the great revolution.

The presumption of innocence is not referred to as such in the US Constitution, but legal scholars argue that the Fifth, Sixth and Fourteenth Amendments, with their emphasis on the right of the accused not to incriminate him- or herself, to “due process of law,” to “an impartial jury” and to confront one’s accuser clearly lead in that direction. Pollitt treats the presumption of innocence as an inconvenience.

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The Nation, of course, is already a supporter of the Obama administration, including its prosecution of imperialist war in Libya and its proposed austerity measures. The ISO, whose quasi-allies in France, the New Anti-Capitalist Party (NPA), also back the “humanitarian” bombing of Libya, is not far behind.

Katha Pollitt concludes her piece with the assertion that “Powerful men molest with impunity, enabled by friends, wives, political cronies, a servile press and a culture deeply hostile to women. Tell me again how feminism’s job is over.”

“Feminism” in this context is divorced from the struggle for democratic rights, including the right to vote, equal pay, abortion rights, and becomes a vindictive plaything of the upper middle-class female, apparently resentful and perhaps jealous of “powerful men.” In fact, this is a gross misrepresentation of feminism in its historical context.

This has nothing to do with any socialist or progressive tradition. A Marxist such as Rosa Luxemburg understood that the “lack of rights for women is only one link in the chain of the reaction that shackles the people’s lives.” Socialists have viewed the struggle for those rights as part of the effort to unite and strengthen the entire working population and raise it to the level of its historic task, settling accounts with capitalism.

Identity politics of the Pollitt-Wolf variety, as we wrote in regard to the Assange case, has become one of the means by which the American elite or its hangers-on regulate and manipulate public opinion in their favor and change “the subject from the great social issues, above all, class oppression and social inequality, to stale and self-pitying concerns.” (See, “The Nation joins the campaign against Julian Assange”)

These are right-wing, conformist elements, whose arguments discredit them. The only question is, how far will they go?

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Re: IMF managing director arrested, accused of sexual attack

Postby lupercal » Wed May 25, 2011 2:54 am

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In the dream world of the economists' textbook policies, all employers would have the ability to fire employees at will. There would be no protective legislation and no unions to get in the way. In that economist's dream world, then, powerful executives could be fairly certain that they would have licence to molest hotel workers with impunity.


Obviously, if they can't f*ck you one way, they'll f*ck you another. They're all about the f*cking, aren't they.

PD you recognize that that's pure demagoguery you're quoting right, with little purpose other than to poison the well? The Guardian is basically the voice of MI-6 so it doesn't surprise me that they'd publish such Murdoch-worthy spew.

vanlose kid wrote:the title says: A Tale of Two Rapes".

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Re: IMF managing director arrested, accused of sexual attack

Postby Nordic » Wed May 25, 2011 3:33 am

Canadian_watcher wrote:yes, exactly. but what should be in her piece somewhere is an acknowledgment that the 'usual lackadaisical' status quo was a BAD thing and that she hopes the newfound trust in the victim is a trend, not an aberration.



Well, there is an acknowledgement that the 'usual lackadaisical' status quo was a BAD thing. It's just not spelled out to your satisfaction I suppose. But it certainly is there, in one of those "it goes without saying" sorta ways.

I mean, it's a bit ludicrous to assume she'd be implying otherwise, right?

And there's certainly nothing "wistful" in how she puts it, and in no way does she express even unspoken support of the 'usual lackadaisical' methods.

I mean, who would want a rapist to go free? Other than the rapist himself?
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Re: IMF managing director arrested, accused of sexual attack

Postby DoYouEverWonder » Wed May 25, 2011 5:15 am

BTW: Why was this fellow staying in a hotel in Manhattan, when his wife has an apartment in NYC?
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Re: IMF managing director arrested, accused of sexual attack

Postby Canadian_watcher » Wed May 25, 2011 6:15 am

Nordic wrote:Well, there is an acknowledgement that the 'usual lackadaisical' status quo was a BAD thing.


Can you find me the quote from the article (which is I think 3 pages back) that makes that point clear? Can you even find me a quote that implies it?

Nordic wrote:And there's certainly nothing "wistful" in how she puts it, and in no way does she express even unspoken support of the 'usual lackadaisical' methods.


She closes the piece with this:

Are these men disgusting predators soliciting desperate, underpaid women? Yes. Is knowing about this economy relevant to the charges against Strauss-Kahn? Maybe.

Unfortunately, such questions may never be investigated, much less answered, for this is not being treated as a typical New York City sex-crime case. The authorities, perhaps with their own agenda, have publicly asserted a foregone conclusion; and that kind of intervention ultimately diminishes the chance of any one of us being able to rely on what used to be real American due process of law.


And don't tell me she's harking back to 20, 30, 50, 100 years ago. She doesn't say that - the implication is, since she outlines two cases in this piece, that one is "now" and one is "what used to be."

Nordic wrote:I mean, who would want a rapist to go free? Other than the rapist himself?


Apparently everyone at the IMF would.
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