Orlando / Pulse Mass Shooting Thread

[82_28]

Thus, if it is that easy, he clearly was not patted down by security upon entry. I haven't been to a club in ages, but security pats you down when you go in. At least at big clubs in Seattle and Denver. You got me. Fuck, I remember having to have my cigarettes out, lighter and keys before entry.

[Nordic]

Agree on the racism in that only an "other" in capable of such monstrous unthinkable acts.

The very concept of "unthinkable". That's how the Psyops of this kind of terror (911 being the strongest example) largely functions -- in that the "unthinkable" cannot have possibly been commited by "people like us". It is only believable when "others" are blamed.

This works in reverse, too, in that many people now believe that the "other" is the "Illuminati, NWO, Reptilians, evil bloodlines, Rothschilds" or whatever. Sort of the bastard-child believe system spawned by the original Psyops.

[Nordic]

Thus, if it is that easy, he clearly was not patted down by security upon entry. I haven't been to a club in ages, but security pats you down when you go in. At least at big clubs in Seattle and Denver. You got me. Fuck, I remember having to have my cigarettes out, lighter and keys before entry.

Why should we assume he entered through the front door? I don't go to clubs these days but I shoot in them all the time, and when we scout we always scope out all the entrances. The best is often the kitchen or delivery entrance. A guy with a gun could probably walk right into the kitchen entrance especially right before closing. Hell I damn near walked right into a GWB fundraiser at a major Hotel here in LA because I'd worked in the hotel before and I knew how to get around. This was post 911 and nobody stopped me. Had I been up to no good I could have caused some massive damage. It was weird. I couldn't believe it. Of course I am a tall blond white guy so that may have been an issue but they had zero anybody checking the way I went in. And I wasn't even sneaking around. I used a path that any befuddled perhaps foriegn hotel guest may have used

[82_28]

Yeah. They might have had the back door open as they hauled out all the bottles used during the night to the dumpsters being the end of the night.

[stickdog99]

have you heard the audio of the gunshots? I have. they weren't "spray and pray." they were slow and deliberate.

do you know the history of the guy with his training buddy down in Port St. Lucie? he'd been training for quite some time.

I would be happy to consider any evidence you know of. Can you link up the audio of the gunshots you are talking about? Can provide a link detailing the story of Mateen and his training buddy down in Port St. Lucie?

I understand that you are totally convinced Mateen shot all 100 individuals who were shot in the nightclub. Personally, I'm not convinced, but I am more than willing to be convinced. Saying my skepticism makes "the whole enterprise of questioning seem insane" will not convince me. Providing evidence that Mateen actually did what he has been convicted by the media of doing will.

[FourthBase]

I'd probably add "racist" to that list of adjectives, Mac.

**** ***.

[82_28]

Uh oh. I'd take that down right quick 4B before moderation steps in and you would like to continue your conversation.

[FourthBase]

Fourth Base, you just keep on exposing yourself for what you are: a dishonest, powerworshipping, timewasting fascist; QED. As you demonstrate for the zillionth time, it is a waste of time even addressing you because you are not honest; and in any case, this is an antifascist board. So I won't waste any more time with you.

Thankfully, most people on this board (or at least most visitors to it) are still capable of reading.

Enough, finally. 'Bye. And do drive carefully.

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Back on-topic, if humanly possible:

Oh no, no, no, no. This IS on topic. It's utterly relevant that you believe not a single Muslim terrorist has committed a single act of terrorism in the US and UK, that every one of them is a patsy. It's proof you're fucking deranged. Yes, everyone can read. Not just the clique of infinite-skeptics who'll automatically blow deranged smoke up your ass.

[FourthBase]

Uh oh. I'd take that down right quick 4B before moderation steps in and you would like to continue your conversation.

I am NOT a fucking racist, and I refuse to be polite about it. If he said it to my face, I would literally punch him.

[82_28]

Just do the board a favor and take down the "fuck you" and continue. Great, thanks!

[stickdog99]

thank you FB.

with regard to someone fighting back, there was an off-duty, armed police officer who engaged him entering the club and was killed.

Really? He was killed? What was his name? When was/is his memorial service? Where are the eyewitness accounts of his courageousness in the line of fire? What are the details of the firefight he engaged in? Did this happen immediately? Before Mateen even entered the club? After? What set off the firefight? Was anyone injured or killed in the crossfire?

Here is what the NY Times' timeline says about this:

2:02 a.m. He entered the club armed with an AR-15-type assault rifle, a handgun and many rounds of ammunition, and opened fire, said Chief John Mina of the Orlando Police Department. An off-duty officer working for the nightclub responded and engaged in a gun battle with the gunman near one of the entrances.

Additional officers responded and entered the gun battle. The gunman retreated to a bathroom where the police believed he had four to five hostages. About 15 to 20 people were in the adjacent restroom. Some patrons who were hiding called the police and texted friends and family for help.

A SWAT team and an armored vehicle arrived. A team of crisis negotiators began to talk with the gunman.

There is no mention of any police officer getting killed, as you can see. Do you have some evidence that this actually happened?

[82_28]

Uh oh. I'd take that down right quick 4B before moderation steps in and you would like to continue your conversation.

I am NOT a fucking racist, and I refuse to be polite about it. If he said it to my face, I would literally punch him.

If someone called me a racist to my face, I would just laugh. Personally I would not punch anyone ever unless I was physically being assaulted. This is just the Internet. Take it off the thread for sake of integrity of us all.

[MacCruiskeen]

I don't go to clubs these days but I shoot in them all the time,

Damn. I hate to say this, but Nordic too is now a person of interest.

Call da cops!

[82_28]

I don't go to clubs these days but I shoot in them all the time,

Damn. I hate to say this, but Nordic too is a person of interest.

Call da cops!

Hahaha. Didn't catch that.

[stickdog99]

First they came for the Muslims ...

If you don't get this by now, you are willfully blind, IMHO.

If you are one of "they", please consider the ramifications of your mindset.

There is no evidence that Muslim US citizens are uniquely predisposed to mass murder. Yet the vast majority of non-Muslim Americans fervently believe that they are. Why is this true? How did this happen? I mean, there was a lot more hard evidence mounted against Marinus van der Lubbe than against any of our infamous US born Muslim "terrorists". And even if they are all 100% guilty as charged, white male mass murderers still vastly outnumber US born Muslim male mass murderers on both a numerical and percentage basis.

So why are you willingly participating in this ugly racial/ethnic rite of vilification?

If this question does not apply to you, then this question was not directed at you.