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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Ben D » Mon Aug 12, 2013 8:00 pm

Here's an interesting bit of info, Gaia breathes...levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere rise and fall each year as plants, through photosynthesis and respiration, take up the gas in spring and summer, and release it in fall and winter.

NSF says biosphere is breathing in CO2 more deeply

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Levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere rise and fall each year as plants, through photosynthesis and respiration, take up the gas in spring and summer, and release it in fall and winter.

Now the range of that cycle is expanding as more carbon dioxide is emitted from burning fossil fuels and other human activities, according to a study led by scientists at the Scripps Institution of Oceanography (SIO).

The findings come from a multi-year airborne survey of atmospheric chemistry called HIAPER Pole-to-Pole Observations, or HIPPO.

Results of the study are reported in a paper published online this week by the journal Science.

The National Science Foundation (NSF), along with the U.S. Department of Energy, the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR), the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) and the Office of Naval Research funded the study.

“This research provides dramatic evidence of the significant influence the land-based biosphere can have on the amplitude [amount of change] in seasonal trends of carbon dioxide exchange,” says Sylvia Edgerton, program director in NSF’s Division of Atmospheric and Geospace Sciences, which funded the research.


http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/08/12/nsf-says-biosphere-is-breathing-in-co2-more-deeply/
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Rory » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:10 pm

Why the evasive dodge regarding flip-flopping from 'It's the sun, stupid', to 'it's not the sun, stupid me'?

Also, lets say all this wonderful CO2 is the dogs bollocks and is actually a boon:

1), won't the rampant deforestation kind of kibosh any extra CO2 to O2 - I mean, all that extra CO2, with less foliage to suck it up and regurgitate O2, means more CO2.

2), the carbon cycle means that extra atmospheric CO2 will tip the air/water equilibrium towards increased oceanic/surface water absorption of carbon, which means increased acidity, which means less favorable conditions for phytoplankton, which mean less O2 being produced in a scenario discussed at point 1) - Less land production of O2 and less oceanic production of O2.

But ain't pollution a wonderful thing?

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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Ben D » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:30 pm

Rory » Tue Aug 13, 2013 12:10 pm wrote:Why the evasive dodge regarding flip-flopping from 'It's the sun, stupid', to 'it's not the sun, stupid me'?

What on earth are you talking about Rory, I have said that I'm of the opinion that the Sun definitely has an impact on global temperatures.

If you say it doesn't, then please explain, else it is taken for granted that you agree with me that the Sun has an impact and that your comment was a misunderstanding on your part.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Rory » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:45 pm

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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Ben D » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:48 pm

^ So what's your point?
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Rory » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:53 pm

Ben D » Sat Aug 10, 2013 12:34 am wrote:
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Looming_weak_solar_max_may_herald_frosty_times_999.html

Looming weak solar max may herald frosty times

by Staff Writers Moscow (SPX) Aug 09, 2013

The current solar activity cycle, possibly the weakest in 100 years, is approaching its maximum. This may signal a future low period for the sun, probably not unlike the one that caused the so-called Little Ice Age from the mid-16th to mid-19th centuries.

Solar activity can be easily monitored by the number of sun spots. Regular recordings of the phenomenon have been available since the middle of the 18th century, with the star's activity reaching peaks about every 11 years. The current Solar Cycle 24, is about to pass its prime in a matter of months, according to observations.

One indicator of the upcoming change is the reduction of solar magnetic activity. Every cycle peak the sun's magnetic field flips polarity due to reorganization of its inner dynamo.

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The sun is currently at the maximum of Solar Cycle
24, but as this graph shows, there are far fewer
sunspots during this peak than there have been
in past cycles (Image credit: Hathaway/NASA/MSFC)

"The sun's north pole has already changed sign, while the south pole is racing to catch up," says Phil Scherrer, solar physicist at Stanford's Wilcox Solar Observatory, which has been monitoring the sun's polar magnetic fields since 1976.

"Soon, however, both poles will be reversed, and the second half of Solar Max will be underway," he added as cited by NASA Science.

Solar Cycle 24 is unusual on several accounts. It came late about a year, with extremely low activity recorded throughout 2009, which made astronomers shift a predicted 2012 peak to 2013. Also a few years ago the northern hemisphere of the sun became significantly more active than the southern, with the latter trying to catch up.

Further muddying the water is the fact that the previous four cycles had double peaks rather than single ones. The sun was quite active in 2011, but then went into a lull, with fewer-than-expected sunspots and solar flares in 2012 and 2013.

The current cycle is likely to have an in-between peak too, some NASA scientists say, with a second spike expected in late 2013 to early 2014. The increased activity would be due to the lagging southern hemisphere as the main driver.

Possible explanations for the sun's latest odd behavior were discussed last month at a meeting of the Astronomical Society's Solar Physics Division. Scientists agree that Cycle 24 is already among the weakest reported.

"Not only is this the smallest cycle we've seen in the space age, it's the smallest cycle in 100 years," NASA/Marshall Space Flight Center research scientist David Hathaway said.

Some more radical explanations sound quite alarming. Matthew Penn of the National Solar Observatory says the strength of magnetic field in sunspots in waning, and the sunspot cycle may disappear altogether.

"If this trend continues, there will be almost no spots in Cycle 25, and we might be going into another Maunder Minimum," he said.

Maunder Minimum is a period between about 1645 and 1715, in which sunspots became extremely rare. In fact some 18th century astronomers believed sunspots to be a myth. The period coincides with the so-called Little Ice Age, a time when the climate became cold enough for the River Thames in London to freeze in winter. On the gloomier side, the colder summers and harsh winters sealed the fate of the Viking colonies in Greenland, as its population starved and died out.

While there is no certainty that the Little Ice Age was caused primarily by the decreased solar activity, a link does exist. If the next solar cycles are even quieter that the current one, and a cooling takes place, it may counteract the global warming trend over the next few decades.


The sun is cooling the earth, now, apparently. Yet, all the data says that max temperature records are being broken repeatedly. So, if it isn't the sun (stupid), what the fuck is it. (Namaste - Om Sai Ram, Om Namah Shivaya)


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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Ben D » Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:13 pm

Rory » Tue Aug 13, 2013 12:53 pm wrote:
Ben D » Sat Aug 10, 2013 12:34 am wrote:
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Looming_weak_solar_max_may_herald_frosty_times_999.html

Looming weak solar max may herald frosty times

by Staff Writers Moscow (SPX) Aug 09, 2013

The current solar activity cycle, possibly the weakest in 100 years, is approaching its maximum. This may signal a future low period for the sun, probably not unlike the one that caused the so-called Little Ice Age from the mid-16th to mid-19th centuries.

Solar activity can be easily monitored by the number of sun spots. Regular recordings of the phenomenon have been available since the middle of the 18th century, with the star's activity reaching peaks about every 11 years. The current Solar Cycle 24, is about to pass its prime in a matter of months, according to observations.

One indicator of the upcoming change is the reduction of solar magnetic activity. Every cycle peak the sun's magnetic field flips polarity due to reorganization of its inner dynamo.

Image
The sun is currently at the maximum of Solar Cycle
24, but as this graph shows, there are far fewer
sunspots during this peak than there have been
in past cycles (Image credit: Hathaway/NASA/MSFC)

"The sun's north pole has already changed sign, while the south pole is racing to catch up," says Phil Scherrer, solar physicist at Stanford's Wilcox Solar Observatory, which has been monitoring the sun's polar magnetic fields since 1976.

"Soon, however, both poles will be reversed, and the second half of Solar Max will be underway," he added as cited by NASA Science.

Solar Cycle 24 is unusual on several accounts. It came late about a year, with extremely low activity recorded throughout 2009, which made astronomers shift a predicted 2012 peak to 2013. Also a few years ago the northern hemisphere of the sun became significantly more active than the southern, with the latter trying to catch up.

Further muddying the water is the fact that the previous four cycles had double peaks rather than single ones. The sun was quite active in 2011, but then went into a lull, with fewer-than-expected sunspots and solar flares in 2012 and 2013.

The current cycle is likely to have an in-between peak too, some NASA scientists say, with a second spike expected in late 2013 to early 2014. The increased activity would be due to the lagging southern hemisphere as the main driver.

Possible explanations for the sun's latest odd behavior were discussed last month at a meeting of the Astronomical Society's Solar Physics Division. Scientists agree that Cycle 24 is already among the weakest reported.

"Not only is this the smallest cycle we've seen in the space age, it's the smallest cycle in 100 years," NASA/Marshall Space Flight Center research scientist David Hathaway said.

Some more radical explanations sound quite alarming. Matthew Penn of the National Solar Observatory says the strength of magnetic field in sunspots in waning, and the sunspot cycle may disappear altogether.

"If this trend continues, there will be almost no spots in Cycle 25, and we might be going into another Maunder Minimum," he said.

Maunder Minimum is a period between about 1645 and 1715, in which sunspots became extremely rare. In fact some 18th century astronomers believed sunspots to be a myth. The period coincides with the so-called Little Ice Age, a time when the climate became cold enough for the River Thames in London to freeze in winter. On the gloomier side, the colder summers and harsh winters sealed the fate of the Viking colonies in Greenland, as its population starved and died out.

While there is no certainty that the Little Ice Age was caused primarily by the decreased solar activity, a link does exist. If the next solar cycles are even quieter that the current one, and a cooling takes place, it may counteract the global warming trend over the next few decades.


The sun is cooling the earth, now, apparently. Yet, all the data says that max temperature records are being broken repeatedly. So, if it isn't the sun (stupid), what the fuck is it. (Namaste - Om Sai Ram, Om Namah Shivaya)

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No Rory, some solar scientists are saying the Sun may be going into a Maunder Minimum, and that based on past history, this means less warming from the Sun and therefore the Earth temperatures would go down. However there is no consensus on this.

No Rory, there is no data saying that max temperature records are being broken repeatedly, look at the HADCRUT4 graphs I posted above, there is a pause in the warming though this is at the high end of the temperature range since records began..that is 0.6 Degree C higher.

Well the argument about the Sun's contribution to the 0.6 degree C warming is that some scientists claim it is mainly due to CO2 forcing, and that the Sun's contribution is relatively steady over the period of the temperature records, others say that there is more to the Sun's contribution than TSI variations indicate.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Rory » Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:22 pm

It's not the sun warming us, as it is cooling us. It must be something else, but it definitely isn't the runaway burning of fossil fuels and the large amounts of CO2 - in fact, the CO2 is a good thing, despite all evidence pointing to it being a bad thing.

What must it be then? It must be a conspiracy by the NWO crowd

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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Ben D » Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:35 pm

Rory » Tue Aug 13, 2013 1:22 pm wrote:It's not the sun warming us, as it is cooling us. It must be something else, but it definitely isn't the runaway burning of fossil fuels and the large amounts of CO2 - in fact, the CO2 is a good thing, despite all evidence pointing to it being a bad thing.

What must it be then? It must be a conspiracy by the NWO crowd

It's the shape-shifting lizards, you flamin drongo 8)

Sorry Rory, but it seems you are out of your depth, your posts are not sufficiently coherent and relevant science wise to make sense.

I am happy to engage with you on this science, but your posts must be rational and relevant, otherwise you can just agree to disagree.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby fruhmenschen » Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:52 pm

Whatever happened to my post STAIRCASE DESCENDING A NUDE?

never mind.......


https://www.kscbnews.net/news/?nk=26672

August Rainfall Breaks 144 Kansas Records
08/11/2013

The recent rainfall in Kansas has shattered records across the state and has helped ease drought conditions in some sections.

Mary Knapp, state climatologist, said that in the first nine days of August, 144 daily precipitation records were broken across the state.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Rory » Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:58 pm

Ben D » Tue Aug 13, 2013 3:35 am wrote:
Rory » Tue Aug 13, 2013 1:22 pm wrote:It's not the sun warming us, as it is cooling us. It must be something else, but it definitely isn't the runaway burning of fossil fuels and the large amounts of CO2 - in fact, the CO2 is a good thing, despite all evidence pointing to it being a bad thing.

What must it be then? It must be a conspiracy by the NWO crowd

It's the shape-shifting lizards, you flamin drongo 8)

Sorry Rory, but it seems you are out of your depth, your posts are not sufficiently coherent and relevant science wise to make sense.

I am happy to engage with you on this science, but your posts must be rational and relevant, otherwise you can just agree to disagree.


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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby justdrew » Tue Aug 13, 2013 1:55 am

Is it the sun? Is it the earth? Is it us?

It not us, it's me. I admit it, I've been causing global warming. Sorry 'bout that, I swear it won't happen again. :oops:
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Hammer of Los » Tue Aug 13, 2013 5:32 am

...

I'm cool.

I don't drive or fly.

I'm vegetarian and recycle always.

Wherever I can, I don't support large corporations with my money.

The sun is warm.

It always warms us.

Sometimes it warms us more, sometimes less.

Weather is complicated.

So is climate.

Checks and balances abound.

Effects always have many causes.

Primitive thinking demands a single cause for a single effect.

Trees are good!

Pollution is bad!

I don't think we are doomed just yet.

Keep your carbon or indeed energy footprint small.

Man of dao pass without trace.

Yet still leave good footprints behind.

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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Luther Blissett » Tue Aug 13, 2013 9:00 am

How Two Reservoirs Have Become Billboards For What Climate Change Is Doing To The American West
BY TOM KENWORTHY, GUEST BLOGGER ON AUGUST 12, 2013 AT 8:11 AM

This week, to see how climate change will pull a nasty water surprise on the desert Southwest, you only need to look at one river.

Lake Powell is the giant reservoir on the Utah-Arizona border that backs up behind Glen Canyon Dam and is the linchpin for managing the Colorado River. The Colorado basically makes modern life possible in seven western states by providing water for some 40 million people and irrigating 4 million acres of crops. It is also depended upon by 22 native American tribes, 7 national wildlife refuges and 11 national parks.

As soon as Monday, the federal government’s Bureau of Reclamation will announce the results of some very serious number crunching and model running focused on falling water levels in Lake Powell. It is widely expected that the bureau will announce that there is a serious water shortage and that for the first time in the 50-year-history of the dam, the amount of water that will be released from the reservoir will be cut. Not just cut, but cut by 750,000 acre feet — an acre foot being enough water to cover an acre one foot deep. That’s more than 9 percent below the 8.23 million acre feet that is supposed to be delivered downstream to Lake Mead for use in the states of California, Nevada and Arizona and the country of Mexico under the 81-year old Colorado River Compact and later agreements.

It will be, in the somewhat dry appraisal of Anne Castle, the assistant secretary of the Interior for water and science who oversees the bureau, “very unusual.”

Unusual, and unprecedented, but not totally unforeseen.

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Lake Powell, over the last 14 years.

Six years ago, following another period of dropping water levels in Colorado River reservoirs, the federal government and the seven states that rely on the river agreed on “interim operating guidelines” for apportioning water in the event of shortages. That step is part of a longer-term process of trying to figure out how to deal with a river system that is no longer providing the volumes of water the southwest long ago came to expect. The guidelines require the secretary of the Interior each year to assess what the water supply looks like for the lower Colorado River basin states of California, Nevada and Arizona. The secretary can choose among three declarations: normal, surplus or shortage. This year the smart money is on shortage.

Lake Powell, and its downstream cousin, Lake Mead — formed by Hoover Dam — are the two largest reservoirs in the U.S. They are the main plumbing fixtures for dividing up Colorado River water under a complex set of agreements known as the Law of the River. The Colorado River Compact is the most important of those agreements, and requires that the lower basin states and upper basin states (Colorado, New Mexico, Utah and Wyoming) each get 7.5 million acre feet a year. Mexico gets another 1.5 million under a 1944 treaty.

All good in theory, but the river was divided up in the 1920’s, a wet period when river flows were high. Times, and flows, have changed.

Now, the two reservoirs are giant flat water billboards advertising what climate change is doing to the American West. Persistent drought, and diminished snow runoff in the Rocky Mountains, have drastically shrunk the two reservoirs. Both are now less than half full, and both sport bathtub rings that show in dramatic fashion how high the waters used to be. Inflows to Powell this year are about 42 percent of average.

Some people believe that Lake Powell is toast, that it will never fill up again. For a lake that attracts a couple of million visitors a year who spend lavishly on houseboats, fishing gear, sun tan lotion and beer, that has some serious economic implications.
It could get worse.

Lake Powell is a moneymaker in other ways. Glen Canyon Dam and its hydroelectric turbines, produce 1320 megawatts of electricity, enough for about 1.3 million people. That yields something like $125 million every year, and that pot of money pays for the operations of much of the entire Colorado River Storage Project, and a host of vital environmental restoration programs.

Droughts do happen from time to time. But the hydrological cycle is being stressed by more than just natural variations. As greenhouse gases trap more heat in the atmosphere, dry areas like the Southwest will get drier and drier.

Last month, Eric Kuhn, the general manager of the Colorado River Water Conservation District in western Colorado, which looks out for the state’s interest in river issues, sent a memo to his board of directors outlining the likelihood of a shortage declaration by the Bureau of Reclamation.

“A one year shortage is probably not a big deal,” wrote Kuhn. But he made it clear that a multi-year shortage, and some very serious repercussions, are quite possible. In 2015, Kuhn wrote, the water level in Lake Powell may fall low enough — below what is known as minimum power head — to shut down the production of hydroelectric power. “The financial impacts could be substantial,” he wrote.

“The scary scenario for the Lower Basin is a multi-year shortage,” according to Kuhn’s memo. Among the impacts: big water delivery cuts to Nevada and Arizona, power production from Hoover Dam is “dramatically reduced,” recreation on Lake Meade “becomes marginal.”

Long term, the outlook is particularly grim. Late last year, a joint study by the Bureau of Reclamation and the seven river basin states looked at water supply prospects over the next half century. It projects average yearly imbalances between supply and demand of 3.2 million acre feet by 2060. An acre foot is about what a typical suburban household uses in a year.

Asked what she thinks of Kuhn’s analysis, Bureau of Reclamation overseer Castle told Climate Progress that “it’s based on some pretty draconian scenarios, but it’s not out of the realm of possibility.” But she predicts that ultimately “the states and the federal agencies together with all the stakeholders on the river will come together around a management plan that will attempt to ensure that we don’t hit critical [water levels] in either Powell or Mead.”

Outside groups are looking for solutions, too, and one — the Glen Canyon Institute, which advocates for a free-flowing Colorado River and the restoration of the magnificent canyon inundated by the dam and the filling of Lake Powell — sees at least a partial answer in its “Fill Mead First” plan.

Citing research that shows large water losses in Powell because of seepage into the porous sandstone banks, Glen Canyon Institute executive director Christi Wedig says Fill Mead First could save 300,000 acre feet of water a year, equivalent to Nevada’s annual allocation. The plan would allow Lake Mead to fill first, and would keep Lake Powell at the depth just above minimum power head. It would, said Wedig, bring substantial environmental benefits to the Grand Canyon, and would reveal many of the hidden treasures of Glen Canyon and stimulate tourism there.

Before the dam and lake erased it, few people had explored Glen Canyon. Author and photographer Eliot Porter described it in his book “The Place No One Knew”

“The big features, the massive walls and towers, the shimmering vistas, the enveloping light, are all hypnotizing, shutting out awareness of the particular,” he wrote. “Later you begin to focus on the smaller, more familiar, more comprehensible objects . . . the velvety lawns of young tamarisks sprouting on the wet sand bars just vacated by the retreating flood . . . the festooned, evocative designs etched into the walls by water and lichens. It is an intimate canyon.”
“Glen Canyon has been unexplored since 1963,” said Wedig. “There is a huge opportunity to capitalize” on its re-emergence with new tourism that focuses more on exploring vivid canyons and less on partying aboard 60-foot houseboats.

Castle declined to comment on the Fill Mead First idea. But she does say that current circumstances on the Colorado River are “unprecedented.”
The last 14 years on the Colorado River, she says, have been the driest years since records began being kept in the late 1800’s, and based on tree ring studies among the driest 14 year periods in the last 1,200 years.

“If you say climate change doesn’t have an impact, you’re smoking something,” Castle concludes.

Andrew Breiner contributed graphics to this piece.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Luther Blissett » Tue Aug 13, 2013 9:18 am

Rohrabacher: Global warming is a liberal plot to “create global government”
The House Science Committee member said climate change is a "total fraud"

BY LINDSAY ABRAMS

Speaking to a very receptive crowd at a town hall last Thursday, senior House Science Committee member congressman Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif., delivered a decidedly unscientific rant on global warming as a “total fraud.”

The federal government wants “to create global government to control all our lives,” Rohrabacher explained, and the made-up threat of global warming is their way of taking our freedom. Complicit are the scientists who use their loads of research money to “intimidate people who disagree with their attempt to frighten all of us into changing our lives and giving up our freedoms to make choices.”

Who’s making those choices? According to Rohrabacher, a government official who, by the way, “probably comes from Nigeria” via the United Nations.

Frightening, indeed.

Watch the congressman pontificate on Mars and the military industrial complex and do a spot-on imitation of Arnold Schwarzenegger:

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