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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby vanlose kid » Thu Feb 03, 2011 3:38 pm

Middle East unrest according to Glenn Beck and friends
Bored of balanced coverage from the lamestream, so-called news media? What you can learn about the Middle East protests from US rightwing commentators

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'Tunisia is our Archduke Ferdinand moment'
Says Glenn Beck, Fox News host:

This is not just happenstance. This is not just poor people mad at rich people. This is coordinated. Tunisia was the beginning. I think there is a chance Tunisia was our Archduke Ferdinand moment that I've been telling you about, warning that it would start in some place that wouldn't look like anything – and most of us wouldn't understand it. He was the guy assassinated in Sarajevo. Month later Austria and Hungary declared war against Serbia and the rest is called World War One

Beck, the apocalyptically-minded TV host, has the most complete theory on Egypt: the protests there are part of what he calls the "coming insurrection".

He illustrates how it will happen in the clip below using blackboards featuring maps of Europe and the Middle East. He marks friends with a yellow smiley face (Israel), "Frenemies" (Egypt, Saudi Arabia, etc.) with blue faces and enemies (Iran) with red. Through the use of stick-on fires to illustrate riots he announces to his American viewers: "I'm going to show you how all this cascades over to us".



Key to all it all is that Europe, as his map shows, is already in flames because of some of our recent street protests. Beck never explains the connection between the Greek government's austerity programme, tuition fees demonstrations in the UK and radical Islam (which no one on the ground in Egypt says is behind the protests there). Do I need to? Because I can't.

To cut to the chase, a new caliphate will emerge in the Middle East and push further east until China, as Beck puts it, says "Knock it off guys" and takes over India, reaching some way into Pakistan. The caliphate will then push north, which is when it will absorb the UK:

What happens to the overwhelming radical population of the UK, of radical Islamicists. What happens? Do they just sit around on their hands or do they see an opportunity? When you take the Marxists and you combine them with the radical in Islam the whole world begins to implode.

So there you have it, an "Archduke Ferdinand moment" which will split Europe, the Middle East and Asia into Chinese and radical Islamic zones. In the full Beck, he also introduces Bill Ayers (who Sarah Palin had in mind when she accused Barack Obama of "palling around with terrorists"), Hizbullah and Code Pink, a feminist antiwar group. But that's enough for now.

'It has spread, as we predicted it would'
Says a Glenn Beck radio show co-host:

Even when the French riots were going on, this was before Greece. The rioting in France - Paris was on fire virtually every night - we said this is coming to other countries


That's right. The origins of Egypt's protest lie not in Mubarak's dictatorship, a languid economy and lack of opportunity for young people but the 2005 unrest in Paris's banlieues. Does Greece have something to do with it too?

Here is Beck - this time on the radio - expanding on his theme of what the Egypt protests mean for Europe:

The Muslim radicals in Europe and England rise up. You've got the communists and the Muslim radicals, they are not one and the same, they are not coordinating or anything else. But once they start to work together - whether it is coordinated or not, and I don't believe it would be - once they start to work together in concert Europe is done. It is done. Where is the police force that is going to be able to police the entire world like that. Russia? The United States? How are you going to quell the Middle East?

Watch the two of them below:



'It tracks with this administration's views on the economy'
Says David Asman, Fox host:

President Mubarak sent a message by camel to President Obama today ... Mubarak was telling Obama to mind his own business, that he will leave on his own terms, not on terms or timetables dictated by the White House [...]

The administration's inability to have any sway there is what happens when you desert your allies and try to apply Robert's rules of order to the raw power plays of the Middle East. We saw the same thing happen with the Carter administration's mishandling of Iran in 1979 and we are shocked that this administration thinks the same lofty ideals will have better luck in Egypt. It is a fairyland, it is an academic view of the world that frankly tracks very closely with this administration's views on the economy. Take healthcare, for example ...


To a man with a hammer every problem is a nail, as the saying goes. To a man with a problem with Obama's healthcare reform, every problem looks like it has something to do with healthcare reform.

(via Media Matters for America)

'Obama should be impeached'
The strangest thing I've seen on the internet for a while: footage of JFK unconvincingly voiced-over by someone who cannot do a JFK impression.

Recently the fires of discontent in the Middle East have been inflamed by the aid and comfort that have been given to America's enemies by our 44th president [...] The 44th president and Joseph Biden [should] be impeached for high crimes and misdemeanours. At that point the speaker of the house, John Boehner, will become the 45th president of our nation. I'm asking John Boehner to use our military power to quell the uprising that is currently threatening the government of Hosni Mubarak.




I have no idea whether this is serious or satire. None at all.

'Obama is on the side of radical Islam'
Michael Savage, who calls Obama the "socialist-in-chief", talks over the US president's recent statement calling for a transition to democracy in Egypt.

Obama: ... people want the same things that we all want. A better life for ourselves and our children ...

Savage: What the heck does that mean? This is the rhetoric you would have heard from the Black Panthers.


And here is a key quote:

Grievances? Here is the community organiser now using community organisational mentality for a nation of Egypt, which is flooded with the Muslim Brotherhood. This is astounding. We are listening to the biggest mistake in US diplomatic history. This fool. This pinheaded fool running this country either doesn't know his history or is on the side of radical Islam. There's no two ways about it


'What the Bible has already said'
Joseph Farah of WorldNetDaily:

Iran's quest serves a second purpose of eliminating all of Israel's supposed Islamic allies and replacing them with like-minded radical government heads that will renounce their alliance with the US and harden hatred toward Israel. Of course, this scenario only strengthens what the Bible has already said - that the enemies of Israel will one day attack them, thereby giving occasion for God to destroy their enemies


From about 4 mins, we get a Biblical reading of contemporary Middle Eastern politics.



'Muslim Brotherhood has infiltrated the US government'
Frank Gaffney, neoconservative:

There are questionable people who are sympathetic to the program of the stealth jihadists who have influence with the United States government. Some I think are actually working for it, but for sure people who are persuaded that the folks that they need to work with to reach out to the Muslim-American community, for example, who incessantly turn to Muslim Brotherhood organisations for that purpose, are a very real problem




(Via Think Progress / Gawker)

'We will have a world war on our hands'
Bill O'Reilly forsees a domino effect where, aided by al-Jazeera, the Muslim Brotherhood takes charge in Tunisia, Yemen, Egypt and Jordan and gives al-Qaida free reign.



'Al-Jazeera is British intel'
Another take on al-Jazeera: Alex Jones talks Egypt with author and host of GCN's World Crisis Radio, Webster Tarpley. I have no idea what is going on here. There is an Anglo-American imperialist plot, they say, aided by al-Jazeera, to overthrow Mubarak. China and Russia might get involved somewhere down the line. Here is one exchange:

Jones: People are opening saying what al-Jazeera is: British intel

Tarpley: Yeah, that's for sure




To clear things up (joke!) at around the 3 mins mark Pink Floyd's Money comes in to provide a sonic backdrop to the Jones-Tarpley chat.

'The US should not fear Egypt regime change'
This may not fit the narrative but the US right is not speaking with one voice on Egypt. There are those (mainly above) who fear the consequences if Mubarak was to fall, but others who support the possibility that Egypt may transition to democracy. The quote heading this section comes from an article for Forbes by Michael Rubin of the American Enterprise Institute (also home to Paul Wolfowitz) while a Bush administration official, Elliott Abrams, claims in the Washington Post that the Egypt protests are a vindication of his former boss.

And then there are more non-partisan positions, such as Glenn Beck's Egypt protest theories show he's finally lost the plot.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/20 ... glenn-beck

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby nathan28 » Thu Feb 03, 2011 3:40 pm

Where is Samantha Power? Why has she not publicly called for armed intervention in Egypt to prevent very real abuses of civil and political human rights?

The dustbin of history awaits.

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby vanlose kid » Thu Feb 03, 2011 4:04 pm

'Tunnels being used to smuggle goods out of Gaza'
By HERB KEINON
02/03/2011 20:00


With Egypt in crisis, tunnels under Philadelphi corridor now important lifeline of supplies for Sinai residents, report says.

The tunnels under the Philadelphi Corridor between Gaza and Egypt, used in the past to smuggle arms and supplies from Sinai into Gaza, are now an important lifeline of supplies for Sinai residents facing acute shortages because of the turmoil in Egypt, the Lebanese daily Al Akhbar reported Thursday.

According to the paper, which supports Hizbullah, traders in control of the tunnels have "been working for days" smuggling bread and food in the "opposite direction" - from Gaza into Egypt – because of "supply disruptions" from Cairo to the Sinai.

The paper acknowledged something that Israel has been arguing for months, that "Gaza's markets are no longer experiencing a shortage in most food" products since Israel eased the blockade of the region in June.

The smuggling out of Gaza does not impact on the supplies inside the Strip, those running the tunnels were quoted as saying.

This is not the first time the tunnels have been used to smuggle goods into Egypt, with western officials having said in the Fall that Israeli products, specifically fruits and vegetables, were making their way through the tunnels to Egyptian markets.

http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article ... um=twitter

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby Bruce Dazzling » Thu Feb 03, 2011 4:26 pm

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby Searcher08 » Thu Feb 03, 2011 4:29 pm

I have not seen the Glenn beck programme before.
My calibration of him is that he is seriously mentally unbalanced and conflicted.
There are a lot of presentation points which from an NLP perspective indicate a person who is consciously trying to portray themselves as being 'on message' and congruent, but his verbals are all over the place. The auditory is full of incongruities.
I suggest doing a freeze frame of the video at 1:34. Game over, Glenn
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby tazmic » Thu Feb 03, 2011 4:36 pm

Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak has said he would like to resign immediately but fears the country would descend into chaos if he did so.

In his first interview since anti-government protests across Egypt began 10 days ago, he told ABC News he was "fed up" with power.

But he warned that the Islamist Muslim Brotherhood party would fill any power vacuum if he stepped down.

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby Seamus OBlimey » Thu Feb 03, 2011 4:45 pm

Alice.. they had a revolution, televised even, and you missed it



It must be frustrating but behind each of those brave men on the streets are at least a few women minding the kids.. that's why they're there.

I wonder what those mubarak fans had to say when they got home
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby vanlose kid » Thu Feb 03, 2011 5:19 pm

Prince warns S. Arabia of apocalypse
Wed Jun 9, 2010 9:2AM

Saudi Prince Turki bin Abdul Aziz Al Saud has warned the country's royal family to step down and flee before a military coup or a popular uprising overthrows the kingdom.

In a letter published by Wagze news agency on Tuesday, the Cairo-based prince warned Saudi Arabia's ruling family of a fate similar to that of Iraq's executed dictator Saddam Hussein and the ousted Iranian Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, calling on them to escape before people "cut off our heads in streets."

He warned that the Saudi royal family is no longer able to "impose" itself on people, arguing that deviations in carrying out the religious concepts that make up the basis of the Saudi government "have gotten out of our hands," so that the opposition views our acts as "interfering in people's private life and restricting their liberties."

"If we are wise, we must leave this country to its people, whose dislike for us is increasing," said Prince Turki, advising Saudi officials to escape with their families.

"Do it today before tomorrow as long as the money we have is enough for us to live anywhere in the world; from Switzerland to Canada and Australia…we should not return as long as we are able to get out safely, we must take our families quickly and pull out," he urged.

"Do not fool yourself by relying on the United States or Britain or Israel, because they will not survive the loss; the only door open is now the exit door of no return. Let us go before it closes."

He finally warned against a military coup against the ruling family, saying "no one will attack us from outside but our armed forces will attack us."

Prince Turki is a member of the liberal Free Princes movement founded in the 1950s amid tensions between King Faisal and his brother King Saud, requesting the Saudi authorities to implement political reforms and set out a constitution.

The late King Faisal expelled members of the civil rights group to Egypt but later on pardoned them.

http://edition.presstv.ir/detail/129692.html

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby 82_28 » Thu Feb 03, 2011 6:01 pm

Searcher08 wrote:I have not seen the Glenn beck programme before.
My calibration of him is that he is seriously mentally unbalanced and conflicted.
There are a lot of presentation points which from an NLP perspective indicate a person who is consciously trying to portray themselves as being 'on message' and congruent, but his verbals are all over the place. The auditory is full of incongruities.
I suggest doing a freeze frame of the video at 1:34. Game over, Glenn


Dude! I just figured it out! Beck's character is quite literally the character of Clark Griswold in the Vacation series. Check it out. It's the same character only outside of the context of comedy and devoid of the talent of Chevy Chase. Tell me this is not the same contrived character:



Also, note on that clip of him on his radio show how his eyes dart naturally and the conscious use of his glasses as part of a costume. He wears them down near the tip of his nose in order to exude a fatherly, somewhat scholarly character. You don't notice this until you realize he's not reading anything. About 2/3rds through he pushes them up to a more natural position, but then a few seconds later he realizes this isn't character and promptly puts them back down to his Glen Beck character mode.

Ugh. Embedding disabled. Link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYTdILs7-1Q
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby Project Willow » Thu Feb 03, 2011 6:11 pm

Glad to know Alice is ok. Glad to hear Sandmonkey was released. Thanks Vanlose for all the material and sources.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby AlicetheKurious » Thu Feb 03, 2011 7:05 pm

barracuda wrote:Last blog post before his arrest (though he seems to be out now):

Egypt Right Now, by Sandmonkey


This is exactly what's happening. Excellent, excellent report.

I'm freaking out: there is now a complete blackout on live images from Tahrir Square. I shouldn't be surprised, this morning the Egyptian state tv stations had broadcasters sneering about "Al Jazeera's latest lies that there was gun-fire in Tahrir" (how would they know? Al Jazeera's been shut down here). Then, by just switching to BBC Arabic or CNN, there it was, live coverage of Tahrir Square with unmistakable gunfire, molotov cocktails and rocks raining down on pro-democracy demonstrators' heads.

All foreign news bureaus overlooking Tahrir Square have been shut down either by the army or the regime's thugs and journalists' cameras have been confiscated or broken. They don't want anybody to see what they are doing.

Tomorrow's demonstrations are supposed to be huge, all over Egypt. It's being called "the Day of Departure". I know people who are already downtown (it's after midnight here) and others who are planning to go. They know what the regime has been doing and that it's planning something terrible for tomorrow, but they're going anyway.

Bloggers are being kidnapped, journalists are being beaten and peaceful demonstrators are being killed. A huge supermarket near where I live was set on fire today, shortly after my husband had left it this afternoon. Thugs have been set loose and invited to go on a rampage. I've seen Youtube videos of some of the thugs captured by pro-democracy demonstrators say that they were released from jail by officers from the Ministry of Interior and promised LE 5000 (a huge amount for them) if they could get rid of the protesters.

Looking at the "pro-Mubarak demonstrators", it's obvious that the Ministry of Interior has emptied out the worst shanty-towns and is using hardened "baltagis" -- hired thugs with criminal records, police informants and police in civilian clothes. State tv keeps talking about how much money the Egyptian economy has lost and how many years it will take just to get back to where it was before January 25, in between old patriotic songs and wall-to-wall interviews with the new, smiling and friendly prime minister and the stern, scary vice president, both insisting that the demonstrators' demands have all been met and they should go home before "these destructive demonstrations do irreparable damage to the nation we all love". Wall-to-wall propaganda instead of news coverage, associating the demonstrations with chaos and loss and truly bizarre conspiracies contrasted with constant paternalistic appeals to security and stability and 'normalcy'.

People are exhausted, anxious and running out of money. Many who lived from payday to payday are now out of work or unable to do their jobs. For many, especially in the middle class, the chance to build a new system based on freedom and democracy and civil rights doesn't seem worth all this upheaval and insecurity.

If this revolution doesn't succeed, I think that Egypt will witness an even more horrific wave of violent repression and revenge from Mubarak's regime. They'll do everything possible to make sure this can't happen again. Next time, if there ever is a next time, peaceful demonstrations organized by smart young people won't cut it -- it will be the even worse nightmare of civil war, and the anti-regime forces will have to be hardened, armed warriors ready to kill and be killed. God forbid.

Never, in Egypt's long history, ever, has a government treated its people so savagely. Mubarak can be proud that he has added to his record for unprecedented corruption this black stain on Egypt's history with his name on it. I think he's literally become insane.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby 82_28 » Thu Feb 03, 2011 7:17 pm

Goddamn. Thanks Alice.

Good to see you too!
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby nathan28 » Thu Feb 03, 2011 7:19 pm

Seamus OBlimey wrote:I wonder what those mubarak fans had to say when they got home


I don't know, it's kind of weird to talk to yourself in a shitty one-bedroom apartment with bare walls.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby Searcher08 » Thu Feb 03, 2011 7:23 pm

Alice, Please check your PM
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Thu Feb 03, 2011 7:27 pm

Alice I'm so glad to see you're Ok.

I've been doing this for the last week. Inspired by you, and dudes like Hossam el-H or Mahmoud Salem (Sm) who you introduced me to here. (I found out just after I typed that message last night that he'd been released, tho the first thing I heard was that he and a mate had escaped and were on the run.)

I have been so tempted/wanting to to jump on a plane and come to Egypt at times this last week. (Good thing I can't afford it, and my wife won't let me.)

Stay safe, and I hope you and your family take care and come through this.
If this revolution doesn't succeed, I think that Egypt will witness an even more horrific wave of violent repression and revenge from Mubarak's regime. They'll do everything possible to make sure this can't happen again. Next time, if there ever is a next time, peaceful demonstrations organized by smart young people won't cut it -- it will be the even worse nightmare of civil war, and the anti-regime forces will have to be hardened, armed warriors ready to kill and be killed. God forbid.


Thats why you have to win this time. I think those people in tahrir know that. i think they'd rather die there than in some cell in a few months... Mubarak is gone too, he's holding on by the skin round his balls. If you guys and gals can hold it together today (friday) and march today (don't back down like Tuesday) then you'll win I reckon.


Thanks guys for the great work too.
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