7/7 Dallas Shooting

[backtoiam]

Was Brown himself ever present at any part of the actual crime scene? If so, when exactly? That night? Days later? I don't recall him ever saying he had been.

Ditto. He is the chief of police. He would have been notified in two minutes and rushed to the scene to coordinate the whole effort. Instead he claims to have been preparing for a press conference. Really?

[MacCruiskeen]

"If officers entered, it is what they call a 'fatal funnel'," Abbott said, referring to a scenario where police have only one way in and out with no protection.

Garages don't have "fatal funnels." And just what was at the end of that dead end hallway?

[stefano]

Reposting as I think MacCruiskeen might have missed this. He wouldn't ignore it, I don't suppose, if one takes into account his punctilious insistence that everyone on the board at all times engage in discussion. Thoughts welcome!
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Don't mention it. And if you're looking for more detail and numerous links to the available evidence, then you might start by reading this here very thread

I will mention it! Thanks for taking the time to reply, and thanks for limiting your superciliousness to moderate levels, by your standards - levels that most people would consider only moderately prickish. We can but imagine the near-superhuman efforts at self-control that that must have taken.

I have read the thread, but I haven't watched all the videos and followed every link on it, which is why I was looking for confirmation of what there is in the way of support for the rebuttal of the official theory. And I've now re-read the thread, but it certainly doesn't show everything you seem to think it does.

First there were "four snipers", then "at least two snipers, triangulating" from "elevated" "perches"

Says who? The very early reports were from news agencies, based on reports from eyewitnesses saying what they had seen while running through streets at night, hearing gunfire and screams. In Brown's first conference, he's asked: "Is it fair to say you're talking about four people [...]?" and he replies: "That's our assumption now." Is that what you mean by the official story? His remarks in the middle of the thing? By his second conference - Friday morning - he is relaying that the suspect had told the police that "he was not affiliated with any groups and he stated that he did this alone." The Facebook post you posted on page 6 of this thread, which says "it appears that two snipers shot ten police officers", is older than Brown's first conference. Unless there are other police statements of which I am unaware, Brown's are the two first official statements on the matter - the first states that police are assuming there were four shooters, the second that Johnson was acting alone.

meanwhile no official mention whatsoever of the single shooter filmed firing off dozens of rounds on the street and killing at least one cop at point-blank range

By police, you mean? No, no mention. Is this suspicious, that Brown didn't announce having seen that video?

no mention of the fact that the police had known by no later than 9pm that that same shooter had retreated into El Centro,/ a college corridor described repeatedly as a parking garage

Described repeatedly as a parking garage by different people - that is, Brown says in conference 1 that "we are in negotiations with a suspect involved in this shootings at the garage of El Centro," and then that statement was repeated by press outlets who were at the press conference precisely so that they could then repeat (or report) Brown's words. That's what those things are for, press conferences. That is the single mention of a garage by authorities. Correct me if I'm wrong, of course. And the above quote also shows that police did mention El Centro on their very first controlled interaction with the media. At conference 2 (Friday) Brown clarifies that this was happening at "El Centro on the second floor of the college there." It's only on Monday that he feels obliged to clarify that he "misspoke" in the first conference - the one he was giving in the middle of the night, while his men were pinning down a multiple murderer.

two completely different rifles named by "authorities"

No, nothing of the sort in this thread. The only claim that Johnson carried an AR-15 was from eyewitness Ismael Dejesus.

still no account whatsoever of where the alleged shooter was "holed up" during the "standoff" (except now we're told it was somewhere on the second floor of the college as opposed to in amongst a big bunch of parked cars)

Yes. Is that not an account? Of course it is, and it was the account as early as Friday morning: "at El Centro on the second floor of the college there in downtown Dallas."

first-ever use of a drone robot to kill a US citizen on US soil

That's the official account, though. As sinister as that is (and frankly I think that, and the C4 explosive the cops were able to get in '15 minutes', is the most sinister aspect of the whole thing), you're not claiming they're lying about this, are you?

etc., etc., etc.

Don't be coy, now![/quote]

[Nordic]

Personally I think they might be lying about the robot C4 thing.

Notice I said "think". I don't know for certain.

I could be wrong (goes without saying but I'm saying it) but it seems that a pound of C4 going off would have been noticed by the countless reporters who were certainly still not too far away. An explosion would have been noted and produced a great deal of reaction. And we were told he committed suicide. THEN they changed the story.

I am speculating that it is possible they had the robot on hand and want people to know that being killed by a bomb wielding robot is a possible outcome for insurgents in this country.

Sending a message. But mainly getting us used to the idea.

[MacCruiskeen]

Yes, I really want to see a photo of that "brick corner" where the "standoff" was ended by the "robot bomb". The school was due to reopen this comng Monday, so we'll soon... oh wait a minute, this just in:

El Centro's downtown campus won't open in time for summer classes Monday

By Brandon Formby Follow @brandonformby bformby@dallasnews.com

Transportation Writer

Published: 16 July 2016 03:27 PM Updated: 16 July 2016 04:31 PM

El Centro College's main campus and wellness center won't be open in time for the next round of summer classes Monday, just over a week after a gunman used the downtown Dallas school to launch an attack on police.

Students enrolled in Summer II classes at the main campus's A, B or C buildings should contact instructors about new class locations, the school announced Saturday.

The lone gunman who killed four Dallas policemen and one Dallas Area Rapid Transit officer did so from around and inside El Centro's downtown campus. School officials say it remains unclear when it will reopen.

"Once the FBI releases the main building back to the college, El Centro officials will be able to assess damage and decide on a date when students can return to the campus," said a written statement from the school Saturday.

El Centro's West Campus, Bill J. Priest Institute and the Paramount, One Main and R buildings will be open during normal hours.

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/he ... monday.ece

So El Centro school is still in the hands of the FBI. Will it ever reopen? The FBI must have very good reasons for keeping it shut (the whole building!)

Also: note the casual but deliberate inaccuracy here:

El Centro College's main campus and wellness center won't be open in time for the next round of summer classes Monday, just over a week after a gunman used the downtown Dallas school to launch an attack on police.

In fact, Monday will be eleven days after the attack. They are trying to downplay the delay in reopening.

[backtoiam]

mac said:

So El Centro school is still in the hands of the FBI. Will it ever reopen? The FBI must have very good reasons for keeping it shut (the whole building!)

Also: note the casual but deliberate inaccuracy here:

El Centro College's main campus and wellness center won't be open in time for the next round of summer classes Monday, just over a week after a gunman used the downtown Dallas school to launch an attack on police.

Correct mac. If we only damaged one "brick corner" why not let the students go to school? If the computer wires were damaged a team of experts could sort that out in a few days with emergency fix and keep the show rolling. Provisions can be made for that one small damaged area to let one or two classes of students meet in another part of the building so that progress can go on.

I suppose there is the "ongoing investigation" theory but I don't see that as necessary because the shooter is dead. If the shooter was alive I could vaguely, very vaguely, see a reason not to let anybody in the building because some sort of information could slip to the shooter that they don't want the shooter to know. However I see that as highly unlikely.

I think the reason students are not allowed in the building is because a whole pound of c4 never exploded there in the first place. They could be modifying a few things to make it appear as if things have been repaired and a pound of c4 exploded there. It would be an embarrassment if people suddenly went into the building and everything was exactly as it was before and no repair evidence was visible. If it was damaged, in my opinion, the other 99% of school business would roll as usual.

The question remains. Why can't we see the damage? Why?

[stickdog99]

Reposting because I think stefano might have missed this.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/07/16/officials-say-dallas-police-gunman-had-no-large-stockpile-bomb-materials.html

The gunman who killed five Dallas police officers did not have a large stockpile of bomb-making materials at his suburban home, two officials said Friday, contradicting earlier claims that Micah Johnson possessed enough explosives to stage a larger attack.

Officers who searched Micah Johnson's home Friday found small amounts of an explosive known as Tannerite, as well as acetone, which can be used as an accelerant in explosives, according to the officials, who are familiar with the investigation. They spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the case publicly.

Both Tannerite and acetone are legal and easy to purchase. Tannerite is often found in small targets that emit powder when hit by a gunshot, such as those at gun ranges. Acetone is commonly sold as nail polish remover.



After the July 7 attack, Dallas Police Chief David Brown repeatedly said Johnson had enough explosives on hand to do far greater damage.

"There was a large stockpile," Brown told reporters Monday. "One of the bomb techs called me at home to describe his concern of how large a stockpile of bomb-making materials he had. And according to that bomb tech, he knew what he was doing, and this wasn't some novice."

A day earlier, Brown told CNN that the materials in Johnson's home were "large enough to have devastating effects throughout our city and our North Texas area."

A police spokesman declined to comment.

[minime]

Mac is so happy, he's frothing at the mouth.

[backtoiam]

"Tannerite is often found in small targets that emit powder when hit by a gunshot, such as those at gun ranges."

You can buy that at any gun store. Its all over the place. I never played with it but I know that a lot of people do.

[MacCruiskeen]

Mac is so happy, he's frothing at the mouth.

minime is just a tiny wee ego and he needs to make his miniscule presence felt. Job done, mini you. Take pride in your accomplishment. 'Bye.

[minime]

It's all true, Mac. The worst possible scenario. And there are hundreds more conspiracies, active even as we speak, which are even more onerous and insidious.

Honestly.

They are a gift to you. Gives you goosebumps, doesn't it?

[MacCruiskeen]

minime is a higgs boson. it is is not entirely clear, even to him, that he actually exists.

[KUAN]

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Don't we all carry on like a lot of old men, (and women)

[MacCruiskeen]

Speak for yourself, KUAN. Some of us are trying to have an actual conversation on this thread about something that matters, but we keep being bitten by midges.

[MacCruiskeen]

The decision to use a bomb

Brown said he faced a difficult choice -- with no way to send officers after the gunman without further jeopardizing their lives.

"He was secreted behind a brick corner," he said, "and the only way to get a sniper shot to end his trying to kill us would be to expose officers to grave danger."

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/10/polit ... index.html

http://www.cellularmaterials.net/mobile ... ields.html

100 years ago they had these: