Alien Abductions and the Monarch Project

[sunny]

OSR's diagnosis of Joe was certainly over the top, but that is not why she was banned. Her opinions on Alien abductions, MKULTRA, mind control and everything else in that ouevre did not get her banned. THIS is what got her banned:

The State of Israel, Zionism and everything associated with it should be wiped off the map AND ERRADICATED BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY for the very survival of our nation and our planet. Zionism is a blight upon mankind. It IS Naziism in it's purest form. In the end, they will destroy us all, and the planet as well, if they are not stopped and stopped NOW.

I believe she was a victim as I take everyone's word in such cases unless it is proven otherwise. That's just who I am. But a call to kill millions of people ought to, at the very least , be just cause for banning from a discussion board.

[Jeff]

The content advisory is pretty good and pretty clear;

A public forum such as this is not an appropriate venue for soliciting or offering diagnoses of ritual abuse, mind control, abduction, psychological disturbance or any similar history or condition.

But I am just wondering if something could be added to it. "Watch out cos some people might be prepared to play you" or something along those lines.

Thanks Joe, that's good advice. People do play people online and I'm sure here as well. DE's playing one now, egged on by whoever's playing him, creating an unfalsifiable meta-game that is always self-confirming and forever stacking rococo artifacts and attenuated innuendo upon itself.

THIS is what got her banned:

And thanks sunny, I hope that clears some things up.

[Et in Arcadia ego]

creating an unfalsifiable meta-game that is always self-confirming and forever stacking rococo artifacts and attenuated innuendo upon itself.

Win/win!

Or lose/lose, depending how you look at it.

[LilyPatToo]

sunny, it's that aspect of OSR that alienated me, too. But while she IS damaged, she IS NOT a troll, though I'm aware of how people might think of her that way if they don't understand her. She's contentious as hell, but if you'd survived her life, you might have ended up that way too. I just don't like to see someone like DE going after her in a forum where she can't defend herself.

One of DE's problems is his narcissistic lack of empathy--he's investigating (among other things) government mind control programs, yet he's apparently incapable of compassion or of any sort of deep understanding of the horrific damage that does to people who happen to survive it. No two human minds survive torture in exactly the same way--some make it through by becoming extremely aggressive (like OSR) and some by becoming extremely passive (like me). She has rigid "boundaries" 12 feet high and topped with razor wire...I had none at all and didn't even understand the concept until I was in my 50's. So the ones I'm currently growing tend to be flexible, which I think is a Good Thing.

I've spent just over 3 years intensively researching the trauma-based mind control programs and at this point, I'm fairly certain that some of what OSR believes is inaccurate--a combination of disinformation and misinformation. But she believes it. I cannot stress this enough: she's not "playing" people when it comes to passing on information--she's absolutely convinced that her info is real and correct.

And some of it is....but some isn't. And when she repeatedly bludgeons people with it and they get understandably irate and resistant, she consistently fails to go back and recheck her sources and change her mindset.

As I work my own way through this stinking quagmire of disinfo, misdirection and confabulation, my own position on what is correct and what is lies changes. Constantly! DE and I haven't corresponded in over 6 months and there's been enormous alteration since then in my understanding of what's going on in the programs and behind the scenes on these boards. Yet his arrogance has prevented him from access to what I've painfully learned...so now he gets to collect the hard knocks himself. Not so bright for a supposedly major intellect, huh?

As a very bright friend of mine remarked yesterday, the only thing to which I'm wedded is to finding the truth about what happened to me. I'll read as widely as I can and consider all points of view, but I refuse to become mired in anyone else's rigid, set-in-stone theories for very long. No one's information, including my own memory, is sacred. Everything is open to further inquiry.

LilyPat

PS I am aware of DE's calendar age--that's not why I addressed him as "young man" in that post last night. See "Now we are six" for the reason

[sunny]

LilyPat, thank you for that clarification. I have no doubt that OSR is damaged, and I truly feel for her on that account, as I do anyone who has been through that hell.

I know you understand why we couldn't tolerate the sentiments I quoted. As a critic of Israel, I am often accused of holding such sentiments, when NOTHING could be further from the truth. People must learn to discern between the actions of Israel, and the Jewish people who have NOT as a whole endorsed what is being done in their name. Does that sound familiar?

I never thought she was a troll, myself. I just thought she was overly aggressive, as you explained, and it seems obvious to me that in her understandable but mostly irrational rage over what was done to her, she has scapegoated Jews, which is not understandable.

[theeKultleeder]

Sorry 11:11. I was a bit drunk and talking out of turn and being judgmental. I won't pick on you anymore. Maybe it's because I'm at a point now where I'm doing research and gathering information, and DAMN it's hard to make a decision as to what is really going down (re trauma based mind control). It's ugly stuff and maybe I was just venting.

[Doodad]

lifted from dKos



http://www.dailykos.com/

no offense Jeff, I'm just posting it they way THEY did it.

[Evutch]

i'm going to get a T-Shirt made,
it'll say, if you meet ONE SMART RAT in the middle of the road, listen carefully, it might be true..
then kill her...

and i'm going to wear it, but nowhere near the west coast..

that's tempting fate...

she'd get it...
i don't know if those gunning for her would though...

[11:11]

Good grief, that statement from OSR was about Zionism, a political/occult philosophy, not Jewish people. Yes, she wants the Zionist regime destroyed - like MILLIONS of other people - some of them here on this board. I dare say Alice would have been in full agreement! Or the Palestinians living in concentration camps. OSR has an adopted family who she lived with for a time, and guess what? They are JEWS, and she loves them! It looks like OSR got the Ahmadinejad treatment. He, too, wants Zionism destroyed, but he's not killing the large population of Iranian Jews, is he? Jeez, would it be alright to say that Nazism should be wiped off the map, by any means necessary, or would that be construed as wanting to kill millions of Germans? Give me a fucking break.

Joe, OSR thinks I'm a mind controlled multiple. I have no unusual background, I'm not a genuis (as most monarchs are), never been tortured, no missing time, etc. She was so horrifically abused, within the context of some highly paranormal events, that she sees it where it isn't. I've had some real knock down, drag outs with her, but I understand her hypervigilance and always looking for what she calls the "structure" in which mind control occurs. She's merely human and wrong on some counts. She's on a mission to free the slaves and sees the method of enslavement like her own, often when it isn't. I will give her this much though - where I did not recognize the signs of the cult ruling this planet, and the degree of mind control going on with the masses, I see it much more. I arrive at my own conclusions, but I have often looked back and said, my god, she's right.

I find this stuff about people being so fragile that they need gatekeepers to gurad their sanity to be absurd. It's the world wide web, and people have to be discerning. Just like real life, there are game players and honest people. Get over it, already. No wonder DE sees sockpuppets everywhere. Look at the nonsense he chooses to spend his time on. He should just join mincronations and really get into it.

[Jeff]

Good grief, that statement from OSR was about Zionism, a political/occult philosophy, not Jewish people.

Not by our interpretation.

I think I'm locking this thread and one or two others that seem the source of our psycho-spiritual staph infection.