Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

[drstrangelove]

If there is hope, wrote Winston, it lies in the proles

[MacCruiskeen]

[...]

Signed,

a bunch of whingers[/quote

I'm not really hopeful but I'm wondering if, besides Jack, Wombat and Dr Strange, any of you are capable of following the link then reading the letter and finding the misinformation they've put in there.

Its there and its fucken hilarious.



BTW I'm only doing this so you get vaccinated and die as your internal organs freak out then try to escape your body thru your skin.

Can someone please translate this post into English? Exactly what point is it trying and failing to make?

[Joe Hillshoist]

[...]

Signed,

a bunch of whingers[/quote

I'm not really hopeful but I'm wondering if, besides Jack, Wombat and Dr Strange, any of you are capable of following the link then reading the letter and finding the misinformation they've put in there.

Its there and its fucken hilarious.



BTW I'm only doing this so you get vaccinated and die as your internal organs freak out then try to escape your body thru your skin.

Can someone please translate this post into English? Exactly what point is it trying and failing to make?

There is some blatant misinformation in the letter to Spotify about Rogan's show.

You need to read the original with the links to be able to identify it.

Are you up to finding it Mac? You reckon you're smart.

[MacCruiskeen]

"Europe 2025 - Africa 2025", 1m 57s. (Hashtag: #DonateDosesNow.)

https://twitter.com/backtolife_2019/sta ... 3751773185

State-of-the-art UNICEF propaganda movie about the White Man's Burden in the New American Century. Shamelessly manipulative in its form and infantile in its content, it ticks all the boxes. "Evocative" "images", check. Brain-scrambling Hollywoodesque fast editing, check. Melancholy minimalist mood-setting plinkety-plink piano, check. Pre-pubescent girls coaxed into terrible acting performances, check. Scarily multiplying killer-dots, check. Stirring, swelling climactic soundtrack, check. "We are all in this together", but of course.

This big-budget advert ends, naturally, with three slow plinks in a minor key. Will TheGlobalCommunity™ rise to the challenge? Will it listen to the little girls, so sad and wise beyond their years? Will lazy World Leaders* (sic) finally let TheScience™ jab those multiplying swarthy hordes, before it's too late?

*It pretends to be a passionate plea to those "World Leaders" (as if any of them would sit through this shit), but who is it really hoping to fool?

[Joe Hillshoist]

Not up to it aye.

Oh well plenty of time to waste bloviting about something else you don't get either.

Good tennis final tonight btw. 5 hrs 11 minutes so far, deep in the last set and they are still going at a million miles an hour. Its so down to the wire.

I'll bet Novax is enjoying it.

[Belligerent Savant]

^^^^^^^^^

Yes. I thought this was self-evident.

Also, Your response to Joe H was better than anything I was beginning to draft up so i'm re-sharing on this page as well.

That's because you don't have a response.

You posted a tweet saying the former CEO of Pfizer was now the Chairman of Blackstone and that was why Neil Young pulled his songs from Spotify.

The former CEO of Pfizer isn't the Chairman of Blackstone. That ios not accurate.

What possible response could you have other than "Oops I fucked up. The former CEO of Pfizer just advises Blackstone on medical investment decisions. He isn't the Chairman."

????

Or are you gonna try and say that even tho you posted a factually incorrect tweet it doesn't matter cos the vibe of it is right even if the facts are wrong?

I shared it without comment. I didn't fucking type that tweet; sharing it here doesn't mean i subscribe to or endorse each word of it. A fair amount of content is shared here as a consideration, to inspire thought or commentary. There are times I add my own commentary/editorial, or otherwise later expand on my position on a piece shared here as part of a conversation that may develop. Standard 'message board' M.O.

The essence of the tweet is accurate, and drstrangelove articulated it well.

The capture of artists [or perhaps more broadly, public figures]. Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, et al. are not the drivers of this latest bit of theatre.; these developments contribute to artifice in so much of what gets pushed out there as 'news' narratives or propped movements and/or counter-arguments. This includes instances of controlled opposition, limited hangouts, poisoned wells, etc.; e.g. Rogan's sustained expansive reach is not without compromising support.

So much of it -- particularly now, during this paradigm-shifting period -- as presented in dominant news cycles and narratives is captured and contrived.

There are exceptions, but increasingly, they are rare in these days of pervasive management of media.

[Insert variation of Revolution Will Not Be Televised here]. This doesn't mean there isn't value in content that may be compromised, of course.

Filtering is paramount.

Again, this should be fucking self-evident by now.

The mimesis aspect -- as with so much out there in social media/news cycles -- is a key part of this ecosystem:

...The fact this is even news is evidence enough this whole thing is a corporate sponsored attack on one of the last media platforms with the independence to expose dissenting views to a mass audience.

...

...Other artists will start to realise this will get them into the news cycle. Others will just get on board through mimesis. Did you know subway suicide rates and school shootings increase when the news covers them? The number of school shootings drops every fours years because of the election cycle. You could invest and divest firearm manufacturing stocks using this information and gain a steady income. That is of course if you are comfortable monetising tragedy.

People aren't "in on it". They are just disappointing.

[Belligerent Savant]

@Mikehun63452579
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For those who don’t know: Neil Young’s Boss is Pfizer.
Neil young’s catalogue was bought by Merck Merculiadis. Merck owns Hipgosis group who is ALSO owned by Blackstone which is a 1B dollar music venture. Blackstones chairman is former Pfizer CEO Jeffrey Kindler #DeletedSpotify

https://twitter.com/Mikehun63452579/sta ... JTjI7bmCqA

So instead of just taking Mike's word for this I went and checked it out.

Blackstone's chairman is Stephen Schwarzman.

Kindler joined Blackstone as a senior advisor. There is no evidence to suggest Kindler had any influence on Young's decision. He may have but as Hipgnosis only own half of Young's publishing rights. Warner Music owns his other rights.

BTW I'm only pointing this out cos I'm a fascist who wants all of you dead from mRNA vaccines next week.

Not because accuracy, rigor and checking sources has been an integral, vital part of why this site was so good for years. That's not important at all.

Also, the only factual inaccuracy in the above tweet is that it referred to Kindler as Blackstone's 'chairman'; it also took some artistic license (stretching speculation) by referring to Pfizer as Neil Young's "boss".

However:

https://www.blackstone.com/news/press/b ... r-advisor/

New York, August 4, 2020 – Blackstone (NYSE:BX) today announced the appointment of Jeffrey B. Kindler, former Chairman and CEO of Pfizer and current CEO of Centrexion Therapeutics, as a Senior Advisor. Mr. Kindler will bring his deep management experience and wide-ranging expertise in the healthcare sector to advise across the firm’s businesses and portfolio companies, with a focus on Blackstone Tactical Opportunities (Tac Opps) and Blackstone Growth (BXG).

And:

It has been reported previously that Neil Young doesn’t even own the rights to his music after penning an open letter to have all of his music removed from Spotify.

According to Forbes, It was just over a year ago that Young sold 50 percent of his publishing rights to his entire song catalog to Hipganosis Songs Fund, a UK-based investment fund, in a deal worth a reported $150 million. It gave Hipganosis the rights to the worldwide copyright and income interests from the 1,180 songs composed by Young.

https://www.shorenewsnetwork.com/2022/0 ... challenge/

And:

On Oct. 12, Blackstone finalized a $1 billion deal with Hipgnosis Song Management (HSM) for acquiring music rights and managing catalogs. Blackstone is also taking an undisclosed ownership stake in UK's largest music investor.
Hipgnosis founder and CEO Merck Mercuriadis...
Oct 13, 2021

https://qz.com/2073263/why-blackstone-g ... -in-music/

So, if I'm understanding Joe H's position on this: Kindler referenced as 'chairman' rather than 'senior advisor' in the above tweet renders the broader point Re: ownership entity influence of public figures as what... wholly 'wrong' due to an instance of mislabeling?

..is there not merit here (or more broadly, the prospect that massive entities have inordinate influence on many major media narratives, perhaps more so now than in years past)? Or is your position that Young is fully in control/is the single point of execution in this recent development/decision?

[Joe Hillshoist]

I shared it without comment. I didn't fucking type that tweet; sharing it here doesn't mean i subscribe to or endorse each word of it. A fair amount of content is shared here as a consideration, to inspire thought or commentary. There are times I add my own commentary/editorial, or otherwise later expand on my position on a piece shared here as part of a conversation that may develop. Standard 'message board' M.O.

(In Friendlyjordies dumbfuck voice) But d'uh this place is called Rigorous Intuition.

But hey lets just post any old shit, doesn't matter if its accurate or not cos this is now a propaganda site and accuracy doesn't matter.

The essence of the tweet is accurate, and drstrangelove articulated it well.

The capture of artists [or perhaps more broadly, public figures]. Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, et al. are not the drivers of this latest bit of theatre.; these developments contribute to artifice in so much of what gets pushed out there as 'news' narratives or propped movements and/or counter-arguments. This includes instances of controlled opposition, limited hangouts, poisoned wells, etc.; e.g. Rogan's sustained expansive reach is not without compromising support.

How do you know this? You don't. You just assume its true cos some moron who couldn't even check they were being accurate tweeted it.

You're pissing all over the legacy of this board.

So much of it -- particularly now, during this paradigm-shifting period -- as presented in dominant news cycles and narratives is captured and contrived.

There are exceptions, but increasingly, they are rare in these days of pervasive management of media.

[Insert variation of Revolution Will Not Be Televised here]. This doesn't mean there isn't value in content that may be compromised, of course.

Yeah this just happened didn't it. 15 years ago you could trust CNN.

Filtering is paramount.

You should tattoo this on your forehead so you can read it in the mirror every bloody day!

Again, this should be fucking self-evident by now.

You're posting stuff that is verifiably wrong and making shit up to support it. That is definitely self evident.

There is enough stuff supporting your point of view on certain aspects of the response to this pandemic that is accurate and yet your are repeating some wankers bullshit. You're just having fun with this aren't you, like all conspiratainment.

The mimesis aspect -- as with so much out there in social media/news cycles -- is a key part of this ecosystem:

LOL Mimesis. That mirror that you look into with your forehead tattooed.

You should have MIMESIS written along the top of it in neon.

How is that tweet substantially different to the CDC saying children with covid are more likely to get diabetes?

[Joe Hillshoist]

https://www.blackstone.com/news/press/b ... r-advisor/

New York, August 4, 2020 – Blackstone (NYSE:BX) today announced the appointment of Jeffrey B. Kindler, former Chairman and CEO of Pfizer and current CEO of Centrexion Therapeutics, as a Senior Advisor. Mr. Kindler will bring his deep management experience and wide-ranging expertise in the healthcare sector to advise across the firm’s businesses and portfolio companies, with a focus on Blackstone Tactical Opportunities (Tac Opps) and Blackstone Growth (BXG).

And:

It has been reported previously that Neil Young doesn’t even own the rights to his music after penning an open letter to have all of his music removed from Spotify.

According to Forbes, It was just over a year ago that Young sold 50 percent of his publishing rights to his entire song catalog to Hipganosis Songs Fund, a UK-based investment fund, in a deal worth a reported $150 million. It gave Hipganosis the rights to the worldwide copyright and income interests from the 1,180 songs composed by Young.

https://www.shorenewsnetwork.com/2022/0 ... challenge/

And:

On Oct. 12, Blackstone finalized a $1 billion deal with Hipgnosis Song Management (HSM) for acquiring music rights and managing catalogs. Blackstone is also taking an undisclosed ownership stake in UK's largest music investor.
Hipgnosis founder and CEO Merck Mercuriadis...
Oct 13, 2021

https://qz.com/2073263/why-blackstone-g ... -in-music/

So, if I'm understanding Joe H's position on this: Kindler referenced as 'chairman' rather than 'senior advisor' in the above tweet renders the broader point Re: ownership entity influence of public figures as what... wholly 'wrong' due to an instance of mislabeling?

..is there not merit here (or more broadly, the prospect that massive entities have inordinate influence on many major media narratives, perhaps more so now than in years past)? Or is your position that Young is fully in control/is the single point of execution in this recent development/decision?

What do you know about music rights?

If someone else has control of Young's catalogue how come no one is selling parts of it for advertising? It would be worth a fortune to any investor, including Mercuriadis.

Why haven't they been using it to sell stuff if they own access to it and control what happens with it?

Of course I agree with the bolded bit. If you want to change my mind put up some credible evidence instead of this sort of shit.

[streeb]

dr. strangelove nails it again:

People aren't "in on it". They are just disappointing.

In that spirit, here's Neil Young's occasional bandmate Lukas Nelson, who joins the WEF's class of New Young Global Leaders 2021.



https://www.younggloballeaders.org/new-class

[Belligerent Savant]

What do you know about music rights?

Quite a bit actually.

You ask for "evidence"; where's your evidence that Young has full agency in his decisions?

As you deliberate (or not) on that:

Blackstone’s largest shareholders are Vanguard and Blackrock.
(See Blackrock thread).

Wanna take a guess who the largest shareholders of Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZeneca are?

Go ahead - conduct your deep dive.

(I'm opting to ignore the rest of your assholery)

[Joe Hillshoist]

What do you know about music rights?

Quite a bit actually.

You ask for "evidence"; where's your evidence that Young has full agency in his decisions?

As you deliberate (or not) on that:

Blackstone’s largest shareholders are Vanguard and Blackrock.
(See Blackrock thread).

Wanna take a guess who the largest shareholders of Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZeneca are?

Go ahead - conduct your deep dive.

That's not evidence. Its just stuff about corporate ownership with no connection to this situation.

Turns out Young doesn't have full control of his music. Warner Music Group via Reprise records do.

I dunno who owns them but on his website Young specifically thanked them for supporting his decision.

No doubt Amazon and Apple are rapt about it.

[Grizzly]

Ottawa: the world's largest parking lot!

[Grizzly]

https://freebeacon.com/biden-administration/bidens-covid-test-contract-with-china-draws-ire-on-capitol-hill/

[stickdog99]