charlie meadows wrote:Canadian_watcher wrote:For the love of all that is beautiful open your eyes and see it.
what are you saying? spell it out. I'm a dummy.
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charlie meadows wrote:Canadian_watcher wrote:For the love of all that is beautiful open your eyes and see it.
Canadian_watcher wrote:charlie meadows wrote:Canadian_watcher wrote:For the love of all that is beautiful open your eyes and see it.
what are you saying? spell it out. I'm a dummy.
charlie meadows wrote:Canadian_watcher wrote:charlie meadows wrote:Canadian_watcher wrote:For the love of all that is beautiful open your eyes and see it.
what are you saying? spell it out. I'm a dummy.
Excuse me?
Canadian_watcher wrote:thank you, that's awesome. I think you should. And I think you should attribute it to me making sure to indicate that I'm speaking of misogyny.
Canadian_watcher wrote:brainpanhandler wrote:cw wrote:In this thread I have often tried to calm the waters
Maybe more than you should have.
Many of you are behaving like children.
Yes. That's plain. I could be entirely wrong, but I am guessing you might not recognize the complete significance of that.
Just say what's on your mind, please. Enough of this cryptic bullshit. Say it.
charlie meadows wrote:Canadian_watcher wrote:thank you, that's awesome. I think you should. And I think you should attribute it to me making sure to indicate that I'm speaking of misogyny.
Good?
Don't quit now. See all that you have done toward coming "to better mutual understandings"?
Canadian_watcher wrote:norton ash wrote:Gender-sexism threads are the most dangerous. I don't think a 'What Constitutes Anti-Semitism?' OP would produce anything really useful before being locked. So why do we dare even try it with misogyny?
I would assume that talking about incest is also difficult. So let's avoid it altogether. Let's advise victims of incestuous abuse to just keep it quiet, shut up and take it, "Don't Offend Daddy"
brainpanhandler wrote:Canadian_watcher wrote:brainpanhandler wrote:cw wrote:In this thread I have often tried to calm the waters
Maybe more than you should have.
Many of you are behaving like children.
Yes. That's plain. I could be entirely wrong, but I am guessing you might not recognize the complete significance of that.
Just say what's on your mind, please. Enough of this cryptic bullshit. Say it.
I guess I was suggesting overly obliquely that for many of us our parents were our first role models of male and female and how they relate. As such parenting and the psychodynamics of the godlike figures of mom and dad loom large for many of us wrt to gender issues. Regression is a common defensive tactic. Smoothing things over is a parenting sort of behavior. Attention seeking through acting out is childlike behavior. I guess I don't think it's coincidental that these behaviors show up here on this thread, although one doesn't have to look far in threads not even remotely related to gender issues to find the same roles adopted and attititudes expressed.
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Canadian_watcher wrote:charlie meadows wrote:Canadian_watcher wrote:thank you, that's awesome. I think you should. And I think you should attribute it to me making sure to indicate that I'm speaking of misogyny.
Good?
Don't quit now. See all that you have done toward coming "to better mutual understandings"?
oh yes sir. I see it. thank you so much for the lesson, sir. I really needed that. Oh, daddy.
norton ash wrote:Because when someone like Morgan shows up with his reasons why he's anti-feminist-progress, he has real value in how he can be refuted.
norton ash wrote:As would someone who showed up with reasons as to why he/she's an anti-semite, but that would surely be bannable. So my question as to 'why we do it' was rhetorical.
norton ash wrote:Morgan's never going to convert me to anything. And reducing many various voices who might see the value of inviting the devil into our parlour for an argument to one 'Team Morgan' of cold, manly sexist assholes... well, it's just absurd.
norton ash wrote:And Plutonia gets strafed for raising disillusionment with the feminist movement as a factor in promulgating and reshaping the greater misogyny in society?
charlie meadows wrote:Canadian_watcher wrote:charlie meadows wrote:Canadian_watcher wrote:thank you, that's awesome. I think you should. And I think you should attribute it to me making sure to indicate that I'm speaking of misogyny.
Good?
Don't quit now. See all that you have done toward coming "to better mutual understandings"?
oh yes sir. I see it. thank you so much for the lesson, sir. I really needed that. Oh, daddy.
Since you don't say things overly obliquely, but come right out and speak your mind, I will take what you are saying at face value: You're welcome.
But please I am not a sir.
And again, now is not the time to give way to frustration. After all, Rome was not razed in a day. There is too much at stake.
Canadian_watcher wrote:charlie meadows wrote:And again, now is not the time to give way to frustration. After all, Rome was not razed in a day. There is too much at stake.
sorry ma'am, but now is the time. In my 'real life' I will continue to uphold the values that I know and understand. I will continue learning and trying to converse with people in order to reach better mutual understandings. But on this board, where people often do not speak plainly - or where they choose to ignore the meat of discussion in favour or pointing out that the speaker had a hair out of place - I have just had it with playing coddling and coaxing.
charlie meadows wrote:Canadian_watcher wrote:charlie meadows wrote:And again, now is not the time to give way to frustration. After all, Rome was not razed in a day. There is too much at stake.
sorry ma'am, but now is the time. In my 'real life' I will continue to uphold the values that I know and understand. I will continue learning and trying to converse with people in order to reach better mutual understandings. But on this board, where people often do not speak plainly - or where they choose to ignore the meat of discussion in favour or pointing out that the speaker had a hair out of place - I have just had it with playing coddling and coaxing.
Frustration is by definition not adaptive and not productive. I meant it in this sense. In this sense, then, it is never the time for frustration.
You have a fine opportunity here to effect change. But it will take time. The greater the challenge, the greater the reward.
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