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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby MacCruiskeen » Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:15 pm

seemslikeadream wrote:
MacCruiskeen wrote:SLAD, why post that pigswill? ^

The cited "expert": Dr. Marisa Randazzo, Sigma Threat Management Associates



cause i'm fucked up and don't know what the fuck i am doing....happy now?

did i mention i'm a fuckin' idiot? Thanks to you MacCruiskeen everyone knows the truth now...i'm a worthless piece of shit



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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby Burnt Hill » Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:17 pm

Yes to the above and thanks for that Aldebaren.
As to this-
Offered Marisa Randazzo, a psychologist who studies targeted violence:
‘All of those things could actually make dormant schizophrenia come out, and come out relatively quickly.’


A single quote that sounds pretty accurate, regardless of Randazzos background.
If there is a conspiracy afoot, it appears to be of Holmes making.
Otherwise to what ends that couldnt have been accomplished a myriad of simpler ways?

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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby MacCruiskeen » Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:37 pm

A shameless, brainless shrink wrote:‘All of those things could actually make dormant schizophrenia come out, and come out relatively quickly.’


"Dormant schizophrenia"... You couldn't make this shit up, but somebody else did, namely Dr. Marisa Randazzo of Sigma Threat Management Associates.

It is amazing what people can get away with in their own time and place. Most slave-owners were well-respected, in their own time and place.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby 82_28 » Sun Jul 29, 2012 11:30 pm

All humans are dormant schizos.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicamerali ... chology%29

If you adhere to the Bicameral theory.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby Hammer of Los » Mon Jul 30, 2012 5:30 am

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He was bright and somewhat socially isolated.

Now why did I say he was socially isolated? The media push that but is there any truth in it? He was described as a really nice guy and a brainiac. He played football, a team sport, indicating he was highly gregarious. On the brief video the media released of him addressing a science conference (has anyone got a link for the full video?), he seemed energetic and positive, but fairly relaxed. He seemed very relaxed considering he was giving a presentation to a prestigious crowd at only the age of 18. He was presenting confidently, not afraid to make eye contact with the audience and so on.

I attach label x.

irony follows

Look!

Its obvious he was a ticking time bomb!

He is bright.

Somewhat socially isolated.

Plus look, look label x!

Frankly it was entirely inevitable that a bright young man with label x should run amok.

Happens all the time.

We can always attach the label after he has run amok, if we need to explain the running amok.

Look, a label!

Everyone agrees when they see that label what it means.

It means he gonna go postal one day.

I'm with mac on the mental health thing.

And there is some truth in the bicameral mind stuff, yeah.

But that s**t gets technical. I ain't got the time to explain all that.

What drugs was the young man on?

Who prescribed them?

Why was he seeing a psychiatrist?

Had he been diagnosed?

What was in the package he allegedly sent?

Why did he appear drugged in court?

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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby Hammer of Los » Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:59 am

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Reviewing some of the media information it appears that the FBI's Brad Garrett and Sigma Threat Management Associates' Dr. Marisa Randazzo have been assigned to lay down the official narrative.

Brad Garret, reviewing the video of Holmes at 18 for ABC is talking rubbish.

Here's the link where you can find the video I'm talking about;

http://abcnews.go.com/US/james-holmes-v ... BZ7uaBvKSp

There is nothing on that video to indicate schizophrenia at all. Brad also offers this gem, "(the fact that he) appeared to be at least ok academically for a while doesn't surprise me." That's right. At least ok. For a while. I mean, its not as if he was a total brainiac who received top honours at graduation and won an extremely prestigious scholarship to conduct research and pursue his Phd. A friend said "He didn’t even have to take notes or anything. He would just show up to class, sit there, and around test time he would always get an A." Just so you know. He was "at least ok" academically, "for a while."

Personally I wouldn't believe a word either of them say.

They have their nice prepackaged narrative all ready, before the investigation has even begun.

I always get a little suspicious when that happens.

This link might be useful too;

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... ooter.html

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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:03 am

Tomgram: Stephan Salisbury, Life in the American Slaughterhouse
Posted by Stephan Salisbury at 5:31pm, July 29, 2012.

Is America an increasingly violent society? Statistics seemingly tell us no. From 2001 to 2010, according to the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics, violent crime victimizations actually dropped 34%.

While this decrease is part of a longer-term trend (and there’s still startling amounts of carnage in this country), it begs the question of whether the United States is really less violent than previously and, if so, where all that excess violence went.

It’s notable that, since 2001, the U.S. has been exporting and facilitating violence of all sorts all over the globe. Some of this violence is thoroughly sanctioned and some isn’t. In Iraq, members of the U.S. military committed violent acts against untold numbers of Iraqis, including military personnel who served Saddam Hussein’s regime, as well as insurgents, and civilians. (The U.S. invasion itself touched off Iraqi-on-Iraqi violence that killed tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands and continues to this day.) Though the numbers may not be comparable, much the same story could be told about Afghanistan, not to speak of Pakistan, Yemen, and Somalia. Americans have also killed African pirates on the high seas and, just days ago, an Indian fisherman on a boat in the Persian Gulf.

Recently, U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration agents have been killing suspected drug smugglers in Honduras. U.S. arms have been sent to Middle Eastern autocrats visiting violence on their own people and the U.S. military has trained African troops to more effectively kill African insurgents. American weapons have flooded Mexico and supercharged drug violence there. A war in Libya, involving the U.S. military, led to Tuareg fighters looting Libyan weapons stockpiles and committing acts of violence across the border in Mali (which was plunged into further violence due to a military coup by an American-trained officer). Today, America’s commander-in-chief regularly selects individuals in a number of countries to be placed on a “kill list,” targeted, and assassinated. And so it goes.

Exporting violence is not, of course, simply a post-9/11 phenomenon. It’s been an American tradition, from the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli, from Haiti to Hiroshima. When the U.S. exported war to Southeast Asia, it eventually engulfed Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos in utter carnage. One way civilians there were frequently killed resulted from what historian David Hunt has trenchantly called “the sin of running.” A Vietnamese villager frightened by the roar of a helicopter or a door-gunner pointing an M-60 machine gun at her would bolt in fear or a young military-age man would take flight when armed American teenagers, who might detain, beat, or kill him, approached. As Vietnam veterans would later tell me, “running” branded Vietnamese as guilty, and so as enemies, in the minds of many U.S. troops and led to startling numbers of noncombatants being gunned down.

Today, TomDispatch regular Stephan Salisbury examines police violence in America, which may, hardly noticed, be on the rise. In poor neighborhoods, in particular, the “sin of running,” it appears, is alive and well. For the last decade, we’ve barely noticed as the U.S. spread violence globally. At home, we generally take note of only a few of the most egregious or spectacular cases of violence. Luckily, Salisbury has delved deeper and offers a window onto the less-reported version of American violence that most of us fail to see. (To catch Timothy MacBain's latest Tomcast audio interview in which Salisbury discusses the lack of good numbers on police shootings and why they are so poorly covered, click here or download it to your iPod here.) Nick Turse

Police Shootings Echo Nationwide
Aurora Gets the Attention, But Guns Are Going Off Everywhere
By Stephan Salisbury

Welcome to the abattoir -- a nation where a man can walk into a store and buy an assault rifle, a shotgun, a couple of Glocks; where in the comfort of his darkened living room, windows blocked from the sunlight, he can rig a series of bombs unperturbed and buy thousands of rounds of ammo on the Internet; where a movie theater can turn into a killing floor at the midnight hour.

We know about all of this. We know because the weekend of July 20th became all-Aurora-all-the-time, a round-the-clock engorgement of TV news reports, replete with massacre theme music, an endless loop of victims, their loved ones, eyewitness accounts, cell-phone video, police briefings, informal memorials, and “healing,” all washed down with a presidential visit and hour upon hour of anchor and “expert” speculation. We know this because within a few days a Google search for “Aurora movie shootings” produced over 200 million hits referencing the massacre that left 70-plus casualties, including 12 fatalities.

We know a lot less about Anaheim and the killing of Manuel Angel Diaz, shot in the back and in the head by that city’s police just a few short hours after the awful Aurora murders.

But to the people living near La Palma Avenue and North Anna Drive, the shooting of Manuel Diaz was all too familiar: it was the sixth, seventh, or eighth police shooting in Anaheim, California, since the beginning of 2012. (No one seems quite sure of the exact count, though the Orange County District Attorney’s office claims six shootings, five fatalities.)

Diaz, 25, and as far as police are concerned, a “documented gang member,” was unarmed. He was apparently running when he was shot in the back and left to lie on the ground bleeding to death as police moved witnesses away from the scene. “He’s alive, man, call a cop!” a man shouted at the police. “Why would you guys shoot him in the head?” a woman demanded.

“Get back,” officers repeatedly said, pushing mothers and youngsters away from the scene, which they surrounded with yellow crime-scene tape.

Neighborhood residents gathered on lawns along the street, upset at what had happened near their homes, upset at what has been occurring repeatedly in Anaheim. Then, police, seeking to disperse the crowd, began firing what appeared to be rubber bullets and bean bag rounds directly at those women and children, among others. Screaming chaos ensued. A police dog was unleashed and lunged for a toddler in a stroller. A mother and father, seeking to protect their child, were themselves attacked by the dog.

We know this because a local CBS affiliate, KCAL, broadcast footage of the attack. We know it because cell phone video, which police at the scene sought to buy, according to KCAL, showed it in all its stark and sudden brutality. We know it also because neighbors immediately began to organize. On Sunday they demonstrated at police headquarters, demanding answers. “No justice, no peace,” they chanted.

Who Is Being Killed and in What Numbers?

This is daily life in less suburban, less white America. On Sunday, when the first of growing daily protests took place, Anaheim police shot and killed another man running away, Joel Mathew Acevedo, 21. Acevedo was armed and opened fired, police maintained -- yet another suspected gang member.

It is not hyperbole to say this is virtually a daily routine in America. It’s considered so humdrum, so much background noise, that it is rarely reported beyond local newscasts and metro briefs. In the days bracketing the Aurora massacre, San Francisco police shot and killed mentally ill Pralith Pralourng; Tampa police shot and killed Javon Neal, 16; an off-duty cop shot Pierre Davis, 20, of Chicago; Miami-Dade police shot and killed an unidentified “stalking suspect”; an off-duty FBI agent shot an unnamed man in Queens; Kansas City police shot and killed 58-year-old Danny L. Walsh; Lynn police and a Massachusetts state trooper shot and killed Brandon Payne, 23, a father of three; Henderson police shot and killed Andy Puente Soto, 42, out in the desert wastes near Las Vegas.

These are some of the anonymous dead. Their names are occasionally afloat on seas of Internet data or in local news reports. Many are young, even very young; many are people of color; many are wanted by the police for one thing or another; some are crazy; some are armed; some, like Manuel Diaz, are not.

In the end, though, we know remarkably little about these victims of police action. The FBI, which annually tracks every two-bit break-in, car theft, and felony, keeps no comprehensive records of incidents involving police use of deadly force, nor are there comprehensive national records that track what police officers do with their guns. Because of that we have no sense of whether such killings are waxing or waning, whether different cities present different threats, whether increased use of private security guards poses a greater or lesser danger to the public, whether neighborhood watch groups are a blessing or a bane to their neighborhoods. The Trayvon Martins of the world, who could perhaps speak to that last point, are mute.

The FBI’s Uniform Crime Report does include a more limited category of “Justifiable Homicide by Weapon, Law Enforcement,” defined as “the killing of a felon by a law enforcement officer in the line of duty.” That figure has hovered around 400 annually for the last several years. (In 2010, it was 387, down from 414 in 2009; in 2006, it was 386.)

Would Manuel Diaz fall into that category? Was he a felon? Can running fit the bill for “justifiable homicide”? The FBI does list all police officers killed while on duty, whether they are gunned down deliberately by violent suspects or hit accidentally by a car. (In 2010, the FBI reported, 56 officers died “feloniously,” while 72 were killed “accidentally.”) But the Manuel Diazes of America are not included in the FBI data sets.

Ramarley Graham, 18, followed and shot by New York City police last February, is of little interest to FBI statisticians. But the Graham killing, which has resulted in manslaughter charges against a member of the NYPD, stirred numerous protests in that city. Luther Brown Jr., killed by Stockton, California, police in April, and James Rivera, killed by Stockton police two years ago, stirred community protest as well. Would their names make the FBI list of “justifiable homicide”? Who makes that judgment and on what basis?

The Department of Justice’s Bureau of Justice Statistics has been compiling data on deaths of suspects following arrests, but the information covers just 40 states and only includes arrest fatalities. From January 2003 through December 2009, bureau statistics show 4,813 deaths occurred during “an arrest or restraint process.” Of those, 61% (2,931) were classified as homicides by law enforcement personnel, 11% (541) as suicides, 11% (525) as due to intoxication, 6% (272) as accidental injuries, and 5% (244) were attributed to natural causes. About 42% of the dead were white, 32% were black, and 20% were Hispanic.

Total gun deaths nationwide in 2010? 11,493, according to the Centers for Disease Control.

Who Is At Risk?

The lack of authoritative and comprehensive national data on police shootings and the reluctance of local law enforcement departments to release information on the use of deadly force has sent researchers onto the Internet searching for stories and anecdotal evidence. Newspapers looking into the issue must painstakingly gather information and documents from multiple agencies and courts to determine who is being killed and why. One major recent independent effort by the Las Vegas Review-Journal in 2011 -- undertaken in the wake of community protests over two police shootings in 2010 -- confirmed anecdotal evidence drawn from virtually all major metropolitan areas. If you are a young man, a person of color, and live in a poor urban area, you are far more likely to become a victim of police gunfire than if you are none of those things.

The newspaper, which analyzed court cases, police data, and other documents, determined that there had been 378 victims of police gunfire in the Las Vegas area since January 1990; 142 of the shootings were fatal. And deaths from police gunfire, the paper found, had risen from two in 1990 to 31 in 2010.

Over the entire period of the study, the paper found that “blacks, less than 10 percent of Clark County's population, account for about 30 percent of Las Vegas police shooting subjects. Moreover, 18 percent of blacks shot at by police were unarmed.”

A joint study carried out by the Chicago Reporter and the online news site Colorlines in 2007 determined that “about 9,500 people nationally were killed by police during the years 1980 to 2005 -- an average of nearly one fatal shooting per day.” African-Americans “were overrepresented among police shooting victims in every city” investigated (the nation’s 10 largest).

African-Americans would not be surprised by this finding; nor would it come as a surprise to Hispanics to learn that they are increasingly at risk of police gunfire. Bureau of Justice statistics show that 949 Hispanics suffered arrest-related deaths from 2003 to 2009 (out of the total of 4,813 such deaths noted above). The numbers have bounced around over the years, but are trending up from 109 in 2003 to 130 in 2009.

Certainly, the Latino community of Anaheim is familiar with this territory. Orange County and Anaheim authorities have promised investigations of the two recent police shootings. The FBI is reviewing the shootings and the U.S. Attorney’s office has agreed to conduct an investigation at the request of Anaheim’s civilian authorities. Those authorities -- the mayor and five-member city council -- are all Anglo, while Hispanics constitute about 52% of that city's 336,000 residents. There is no civilian complaint review board in place to conduct any probe of police actions, no independent group gathering information over time. The family of Manuel Diaz has filed a federal civil rights suit in the case and called for community calm as protestors become increasingly restive.

“There is a racial and economic component to this shooting,” said Dana Douglas, a Diaz family attorney. “Police don’t roust white kids in affluent neighborhoods who are just having a conversation. And those kids have no reason to fear police. But young men with brown skin in poor neighborhoods do. They are targeted by police.”

Post-9/11 Money Is No Help

The last decade, of course, has seen an enormous flow of federal counterterrorism money to local police and law enforcement agencies. Since 9/11, the Department of Homeland Security has allocated $30 to $40 billion to local police for all manner of training programs and equipment upgrades. Other federal funding has also been freely dispensed.

Yet for all the beefing up of post-9/11 visual surveillance, communications, and Internet-monitoring capabilities, for all the easing of laws governing searches and wiretaps, law enforcement authorities failed to pick up on the multiple weapons purchases, the massive Internet ammo buys, and the numerous package deliveries to the dark apartment in the building on Paris Street where preparations for the Aurora massacre took place for months.

Orange County, where Manuel Diaz lived, now has a fleet of seven armored vehicles. SWAT officers turn out in 30 to 40 pounds of gear, including ballistic helmets, safety goggles, radio headsets with microphones, bulletproof vests, flash bangs, smoke canisters, and loads of ammunition. The Anaheim police and other area departments are networked by countywide Wi-Fi. They run their own intelligence collection and dissemination center. They are linked to surveillance helicopters.

The feds have also anted up for extensive police training for Anaheim officers. In fact, Anaheim and Orange County have received about $100 million from the federal government since 2002 to bring operations up to twenty-first century speed in the age of terror. Yet for all that money, training, and equipment, police still managed to shoot and kill a running unarmed man in the back, just as NYPD officers shot unarmed Liberian-born Amadou Diallo after chasing him up his Bronx apartment building steps in February of 1999.

Diallo was infamously shot 41 times after pulling his wallet from his pocket, apparently to show identification. Police thought it was a gun. The shooting precipitated national protests and acquittals in a subsequent trial of the police officers involved. The year Diallo was killed was also the year of the Columbine massacre, 20 miles from Aurora. It seems like only last week.

Since that time the nation as a whole has become poorer and less white, while police departments everywhere are building up their capabilities and firepower with 9/11-related funding. Gun ownership of almost any sort has been cemented into our American world as a constitutional right and a partial ban on purchases of assault weapons lapsed in 2004, thanks to congressional inaction. This combination of trends should make everyone uneasy.

Stephan Salisbury is cultural writer for the Philadelphia Inquirer and a TomDispatch regular. His most recent book is Mohamed’s Ghosts: An American Story of Love and Fear in the Homeland. To listen to Timothy MacBain's latest Tomcast audio interview in which Salisbury discusses the lack of good numbers on police shootings and why they are so poorly covered, click here or download it to your iPod here.

Note: Bureau of Justice Statistics data on the demographics of arrest-related deaths can be found by clicking here.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:17 am

Still Missing From The Aurora Coverage: Gun Violence Context
BLOG ››› JULY 27, 2012 10:06 AM EDT ››› ERIC BOEHLERT

It's been one week since the former medical student-turned-gunman opened fire inside an Aurora, CO movie theater, shooting 70 people and killing 12. News of the massacre continues to generate enormous amounts of press coverage, most of which has been accurate and helpful.

However, what's been often lacking has been useful context about gun violence in America and the disturbing truth that the Aurora rampage represents the latest chapter in a long, active line of U.S. shooting sprees. And that far from happening in a vacuum created an isolated villain, the mass murder was connected to a sweeping cultural and criminal problem, one that gun proponents and conservatives don't want to address.

In 2009, in the wake of a rash of deadly shooting sprees, I noted how gun rampages no longer seemed to generate interest from the press and that the news media treated them as though they were isolated incidents and there was no public policy issue that tied them together. The press essentially had embraced the lazy NRA mantra: Guns don't kill people. People do.

Worse, the press often covered shooting sprees the way it covered killer tornadoes: One-day stories that were acts of nature, and that all people could really do is try to stay out of the way.

I will say that in the wake of the Aurora massacre there was clearly a rejuvenated debate about gun control and the press did raise the obvious connection between free and easy access to guns (including assault weapons) and the specter of more shooting sprees. Additionally, leading gun control advocates such as New York's mayor Michael Bloomberg were given high-profile platforms to urge changes in firearm laws.

All of that marks an improvement over recent rampage coverage. However, crucial gaps persist. For instance, each year roughly 30,000 Americans die from gun violence, or 300,000 over the last decade. That's a staggering statistic and one that helps put into context the entrenched epidemic of gun violence that America faces. By comparison, since the invasion of Iraq in 2003, approximately 4,300 Americans have died in that conflict.

As Forbes' Rob Waters noted, from the period between 2000 to 2009, "If you exclude natural causes of death and consider only deaths caused by injury, [gun violence] is the second-leading cause of death over that time span; only car accidents (417,000) killed more people."

That 30,000 figure represents an eye-opening detail that helps tell the larger, disturbing story about gun violence in America. But it's one that has rarely been cited by the U.S. news media over the last seven days. A search of Nexis finds very few mentions of the statistic in news articles or television discussions about the Aurora massacre. And some of the only U.S. newspaper references to the 30,000 figure that have appeared in the last week have been from opinion pieces about gun control, including essays in the New York Times, Boston Globe and the Raleigh News & Observer.

But why is that statistic not regularly cited in news articles? Is it considered controversial to simply report, in the wake of a senseless gun rampage, how many people die from gun violence each year in the United States?

CNN, for instance, has aired nearly 100 reports or discussions about the Aurora killings, according to Nexis. But during only a handful of those segments has the 30,000-fatality figure been mentioned.

In terms of the amount of coverage, the last shooting spree that generated as much media attention as the Aurora massacre came in January 2011, when an Arizona gunman opened fire on a meet-and-greet event hosted by Rep. Gabrielle Giffords at a local shopping center parking lot. Six people were killed that day out of the 18 victims who were shot. Because a member of Congress was targeted in the killing, the media response was enormous, much like with the Batman shooting. And justifiably so, given the horrific toll the tragedies took on the local communities.

However, the sad truth is that in the 18 months between the Giffords shooting spree and the Aurora shooting spree, America witnessed a steady stream of wild gun rampages, most of which were in and out of the national headlines in less than 24 hours.

July 17, 2012: A gunman stood outside of a crowded downtown bar in Tuscaloosa, AL and opened fire, injuring at least 17 people.
May 30, 2012: After killing four people in a café and then another during a carjacking, a Seattle gunman killed himself as police officers approached him.
April 2, 2012: Seven people were killed and three others wounded in a shooting rampage at an Asian religious vocational school in Oakland, CA.
March 8, 2012: Two people were killed and seven wounded when a man opened fire inside a clinic at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center.
Feb. 21, 2012: Five people were killed in a murder-suicide attack at a spa in Norcross, GA.
Oct 12, 2011: Eight people were killed in a mass shooting at a Seal Beach, CA, nail salon.
Oct. 5, 2011: A disgruntled worker opened fire at a Northern California cement plant killing three and wounding seven.
Sept. 6, 2011: A gunman opened fire, killing three people and then himself at an IHOP in Carson City, NV.
July 7, 2011: A man shot and killed himself following his shooting rampage in Grand Rapids, MI that left seven dead and two others wounded.
On and on the epidemic rolls, fueled by gun saturation in America. When the sad rampage chapters play out, the press shouldn't shy away from putting the string of connected events into context, nor should it refuse to detail the sweeping size of our nation's gun violence crisis.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby compared2what? » Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:27 am

Colorado shooting suspect was facing eviction - neighbours

^^It was a loss of student-housing thing, due to his withdrawal from the doctoral program, not some other, unknown drama. Linking and posting mostly for this:

On July 11, at around 3:30 pm, Holmes approached neighbor Carl Pedro Allen, 54, who was sitting in front of 1733 Paris Street - about a block away from Holmes' apartment building.

Holmes asked Allen, and others gathered there, if they knew of any vacant one-bedroom apartments.

"We let him know there were no vacancies [in that building], but we told him about where he might be able to find an open apartment," Allen said.

Holmes was wearing jeans and sneakers and described himself as a local student, Allen said.

But Allen also said he noticed something strange about Holmes' eyes.

"His eyes were fluttering and blinking," Allen said.

"It was really weird. I didn't know if he was high or what, but those eyes kept fluttering."


Two others who witnessed the incident, Ashley Jones, 25, and Rosando "JR" Causus, a maintenance man at 1733 Paris Street, independently confirmed Allen's story.

At Holmes' initial court appearance last week, observers said his eyes fluttered wildly and he blinked repeatedly.


I think that's almost gotta be a side effect of drugs (amphetamines, maybe others) and/or meds (neuroleptics, amphetamines/ADHD-type-meds, maybe others).

Not a doctor, obviously. But it's pretty uncommon. Probably even as a side effect, for someone getting weekly outpatient therapy in a university-clinic milieu. Or....If it isn't, it should be. I mean, it's kind of hard not to notice that your patient's developing facial tics, ffs.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby compared2what? » Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:33 am

She was board disciplined, that Dr. Fenton.

Holmes' psychiatrist was disciplined by Colorado Medical Board

(ON EDIT: Sorry, better link now, I hope.)

^^Used to work for the Air Force. Did acupuncture. Interesting resume.

Also:

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That's the woman who was sitting next to him in court, isn't it?

(ON EDIT: Or is it? Maybe not. I can't tell.)
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby DrVolin » Mon Jul 30, 2012 1:16 pm

Not the same woman.
all these dreams are swept aside
By bloody hands of the hypnotized
Who carry the cross of homicide
And history bears the scars of our civil wars

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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:05 pm

Man brings gun to Colorado theater; patrons panic
Monday, July 30, 2012 12:00 AM
Updated Monday, July 30, 2012 2:01 PM


THORNTON, Colo. (AP) — A man was arrested and nine theaters were evacuated after someone carried a gun into a multiplex in Colorado, police said.

James Mapes, 48, of Northglenn was taken into custody Sunday after patrons reported he was carrying a handgun strapped to his waist. He was released after being cited and given a summons.

Mapes told the Denver Post he has a concealed weapons permit issued by the Arapahoe County Sheriff’s Office in 2003. He said he has lived in the area for nine years and gone to movies at the Cinebarre theater dozens of times carrying a pistol openly and concealed.

“I was a threat to no one, I didn’t threaten anybody,” Mapes said.

Mapes was issued a citation for displaying a weapon and alarming another person after about 40 people were evacuated, Thornton police spokesman Matt Barnes said Monday.

“We had people fleeing the theatres, with people yelling there was a man with a gun,” Barnes said.

Theaters across the country have been jittery after 12 people were killed and 58 others were wounded or injured at an Aurora movie theater on July 20 during a showing of the Batman film “The Dark Knight Rises.”

Colorado prosecutors filed formal charges Monday against James Holmes, a former neuroscience student accused in the theater attack.

Prosecutors were reviewing the case involving Mapes and the charges might be dropped if they determine he was complying with Colorado’s concealed carry law that allows people who pass background checks and get training to carry guns in most circumstances, Barnes said.

Mapes told the newspaper he was in a darkened theater for about 15 minutes viewing “The Watch,” when the lights came on and the show stopped. He said a woman sitting nearby took a cellphone call then said aloud that someone in the movie complex was seen carrying a gun.
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby brekin » Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:41 pm

slad wrote:

Man brings gun to Colorado theater; patrons panic
Monday, July 30, 2012 12:00 AM
Updated Monday, July 30, 2012 2:01 PM


I live in an open carry state. I know this because a couple years ago a guy in the supermarket line in front of me was in a t-shirt and
cut offs with a 45 on his hip and I looked into it. I'm not into banning firearms but I have to tell you the vibe changes when someone walks
into a public place with a firearm strapped to their person. (I was going to make a joke about cops here but don't think I'm awake enough
to pull it off.)

Open carry in the United States
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_carry ... ted_States
In the United States, open carry is shorthand terminology for "openly carrying a firearm in public", as distinguished from concealed carry, where firearms cannot be seen by the casual observer.
The practice of open carry, where gun owners openly carry firearms while they go about their daily business, has seen an increase in the U.S. in recent years.[1][2] This has been marked by a number of organized events intended to increase the visibility of open carry and public awareness about the practice.[3]
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby norton ash » Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:08 pm

“I was a threat to no one, I didn’t threaten anybody,” Mapes said.


Why are you such a stupid, insensitive asshole, Mr. Mapes? And while we're here, just how small IS your cock?

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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby wordspeak2 » Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:53 pm

8bitagent wrote:Not trying to poo poo hunches, but google "kony 2012 san diego" to see exactly how a human being can break down into utter crazyness.


But I'd say stripping in public is completely different from mass murder, no? One can be explained by stress plus PCP- the other? What happened to this kid in such a short period of time? I lean toward he was probably mind-controlled.

Not sure what to make of the "his father was about to testify at LIBOR" meme, but the father apparently ran in elite circles, fwiw.
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