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Re: The 2012 "Election" thread

Postby 8bitagent » Tue Oct 30, 2012 1:37 am

ninakat wrote:Why I’m Voting Green
Posted on Oct 29, 2012
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The November election is not a battle between Republicans and Democrats. It is not a battle between Barack Obama and Mitt Romney. It is a battle between the corporate state and us. And if we do not immediately engage in this battle we are finished, as climate scientists have made clear. I will defy corporate power in small and large ways. I will invest my energy now solely in acts of resistance, in civil disobedience and in defiance. Those who rebel are our only hope. And for this reason I will vote next month for Jill Stein, the Green Party candidate, although I could as easily vote for Rocky Anderson of the Justice Party. I will step outside the system. Voting for the “lesser evil”—or failing to vote at all—is part of the corporate agenda to crush what is left of our anemic democracy. And those who continue to participate in the vaudeville of a two-party process, who refuse to confront in every way possible the structures of corporate power, assure our mutual destruction.

All the major correctives to American democracy have come through movements and third parties that have operated outside the mainstream. Few achieved formal positions of power. These movements built enough momentum and popular support, always in the face of fierce opposition, to force the power elite to respond to their concerns. Such developments, along with the courage to defy the political charade in the voting booth, offer the only hope of saving us from Wall Street predators, the assault on the ecosystem by the fossil fuel industry, the rise of the security and surveillance state and the dramatic erosion of our civil liberties.

“The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don’t have any,” Alice Walker writes.

It was the Liberty Party that first fought slavery. It was the Prohibition and Socialist parties, along with the Suffragists, that began the fight for the vote for women and made possible the 19th Amendment. It was the Socialist Party, along with radical labor unions, that first battled against child labor and made possible the 40-hour workweek. It was the organizing of the Populist Party that gave us the Immigration Act of 1924 along with a “progressive” tax system. And it was the Socialists who battled for unemployment benefits, leading the way to the Social Security Act of 1935. No one in the ruling elite, including Franklin Roosevelt, would have passed this legislation without pressure from the outside.

“It is the combination of a social movement on the ground with an independent political party that has always made history together, whether during abolition, women’s suffrage or the labor movement,” Stein said when I reached her by phone as she campaigned in Chicago. “We need courage in our politics that matches the courage of the social movements—of Occupy, eviction blockades, Keystone pipeline civil disobedience, student strikes, the Chicago teachers union and more. If public opinion really mattered in this race, we [her presidential ticket] would win. We have majority support in poll after poll on nearly all of the key issues, from downsizing the military budget and bringing the troops home, to taxing the rich, to stopping the Wall Street bailouts, to breaking up the banks, to ending the offshoring of jobs, to supporting workers’ rights, to increasing the minimum wage, to health care as a human right, through Medicare for all. These are the solutions a majority of Americans are clamoring for.”

The corporate state has successfully waged a campaign of fear to disempower voters and citizens. By intimidating voters through a barrage of propaganda with the message that Americans have to vote for the lesser evil and that making a defiant stand for justice and democracy is counterproductive, it cements into place the agenda of corporate domination we seek to thwart. This fear campaign, skillfully disseminated by the $2.5 billion spent on political propaganda, has silenced real political opposition. It has turned those few politicians and leaders who have the courage to resist, such as Stein and Ralph Nader, into pariahs, denied a voice in the debates and the national discourse. Capitulation, silence and fear, however, are not a strategy. They will guarantee everything we seek to avoid.

“The Obama administration has embraced the policies of George W. Bush, and then gone much further,” Stein said. “Wall Street bailouts went ballistic under Obama—$700 billion under Bush, but $4.5 trillion under Obama, plus another $16 trillion in zero-interest loans for Wall Street. Obama continues offshoring our jobs. Bill Clinton brought us NAFTA, which was carried out under George W. Bush. It was vastly expanded under Obama to labor abusers in Colombia, and to Panama and South Korea. The Transpacific Partnership, being negotiated behind closed doors by the Obama White House, is NAFTA on steroids. It continues to send our jobs overseas. It undermines wages at home. It overrides American sovereignty by establishing an international corporate board that can overrule American legislation and regulations that protect workers as well as our air, our water, our climate and our food supply.”

Obama, who has claimed the power of assassinating U.S. citizens without charge or trial, increased the drone war and has vastly expanded the wars in the Middle East. He is waging proxy wars in Yemen, Pakistan and Somalia. His assault on civil liberties—from his use of the Espionage Act to silence whistle-blowers to Section 1021 of the National Defense Authorization Act to the FISA Amendment Act—is worse than Bush’s. His attack on immigrant rights has also outpaced that of Bush. Obama has deported more undocumented workers in four years than his Republican predecessor did in eight years. There is negligible difference between Obama and Romney on the issue of student debt, which has turned a generation of college students into indentured servants. But the most important convergence between the Republicans and the Democrats is their utter failure to address the perilous assault by the fossil fuel industry on the ecosystem. It was Obama who undercut the international climate accord reached last year at Durban, South Africa, saying the world could wait until 2020 for an agreement.

“Obama is promoting oil drilling in the Arctic, where the ice cap has already collapsed to one-quarter of its size from a couple decades ago, and he’s opened up our national parks for drilling,” Stein said. “He has given the green light to fracking. He has permitted the exhaust from shale oil [extraction] to go into the atmosphere. He is building the southern pass of the Keystone pipeline. He brags that he has built more miles of pipeline than any other president.

“There is a protracted drought in 60 percent of the continental U.S.,” Stein said. “There are record forest fires and rising food prices. We have just now seen the 12 hottest months on record. Storms are growing in destructiveness. All this is happening with less than 1-degree Celsius temperature rise. Yet we are now on track for a 6-degree Celsius warming in this century alone. This is not survivable. The most pessimistic science on climate change has underpredicted the rate at which climate change is advancing.”

The flimsy excuses used by liberals and progressives to support Obama, including the argument that we can’t let Romney appoint the next Supreme Court justices, ignore the imperative of building a movement as fast and as radical as possible as a counterweight to corporate power. The Supreme Court, no matter what its composition, will not save us from financial implosion and climate collapse. And Obama, whatever his proclivity on social issues, has provided ample evidence that he will not alter his servitude to the corporate state. For example, he has refused to provide assurance that he will not make cuts in basic social infrastructures. He has proposed raising the eligibility age for Medicare, a move that would leave millions without adequate health care in retirement. He has said he will reduce the cost-of-living adjustment for Social Security, thrusting vast numbers of seniors into poverty. Progressives’ call to vote for independents in “safe” states where it is certain the Democrats will win will do nothing to mitigate fossil fuel’s ravaging of the ecosystem, regulate and prosecute Wall Street or return to us our civil liberties.

“There is no state out there where either Obama or Romney offers a way out of here alive,” Stein said. “It’s up to us to create truly safe states, a safe nation, and a safe planet. Neither Obama nor Romney has a single exit strategy from the deadly crises we face.”


Yeah but, Gay and Lesbian people can now openly serve in the globalist meatgrinder...so ya know, Obama is still a hero.
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Re: The 2012 "Election" thread

Postby barracuda » Tue Oct 30, 2012 1:53 am

Nordic wrote:The key: Don't be afraid.

If you fear, they win. They want you to fear.

So many people fear Romney. Fuck that. Break away from the fear.

Only when you have nothing to fear will we be able to change anything. People with nothing to fear are downright dangerous.


I don't fear Romney. I just can't quite come to grips with spending eight years in debilitating depression staring at pictures of his gigantic, wonky-shaped, brylcreemed cranium surmounting that pompous, fatherly grimace of a smile. I'm in the prime of my life here - by the time he gets replaced on the newsstands, I'll be looking at encroaching decrepitude with his mug firmly stamped on my consciousness with the finality of a lower back tattoo. And you just know that bubble gum card of a religion of his'll get talked to death. Mormonism will become a fucking "thing" that'll be deconstructed in print enough to destroy the last few remaining old growth forests left after the Great Die-Off. Speaking of which, "green" anything will become even more of a hopeless joke. Dressage ponies will litter the Rose Garden like dandelions. Gays will become "interesting" outlaws again, with all that entails, and just when I'd hoped we'd successfully subsumed them into the white bread of American county-fair culture. And five fucking sons?? Do you have any idea how many servers will be required to hold the sheer breadth of internet commentary on their every minor imagined excess and hair style decisions? Fucking warehouses will be built in Cupertino to deal with that shit. There'll be entire walled off areas of the web devoted to the wonder of it all - the sons, the spouses, the surrogates, the seventy-five IVF grandchildren, the breathtaking grandeur of the extended Romnation, with Willard at the helm, our nation pullulating from the fount of his loins, the wellspring of the latest incarnation of the American way of fuck-all, And the whole rest of the planet will be scratching it's collective head at the collective chain of bad decisions that lead to this.

And statues. Lots of statues.

This isn't fear. It's an aesthetic choice as to what we're gonna wear boarding the hell-train to oblivion. I don't give a damn if Obama is the antichrist on a jet ski, I'd rather scorn him in despair than have to curse Romney's fat laughing mouth with its gold molar fillings showing every time he chortles again at some state function he's got no more business attending than my cat.

I'd be willing to sacrifice a smallish animal to Baal if that would circumvent this occurrence, but I don't know how.
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Re: The 2012 "Election" thread

Postby Iamwhomiam » Tue Oct 30, 2012 2:39 am

Jesus, Willow, what's up with you, jumping all over my shit like that? I called for Peace between posters; to respect each other while knowing our life experiences are different and that their choice to vote or not was the right choice for them.

You decided to take issue with my comment and afterward with my rationale. I don't have your eyes or experience and mine is very different from what you've shared of yours with me and others on this board. I tried my best to explain my reasoning and I am truly sorry that my doing so upset you further.

I do deal with very real environmental issues that make very people ill and try my best to remedy them.

I've not addressed you in any way with an attempt to sway your vote. I simply asked folks to respect each other and accept that their choice this election cycle is the best choice for them according to their life experience.

I recently again met with a young woman I've known for several years who's now counseling children who are victims of sexual abuse. It was at an annual memorial gathering for a dear departed mutual friend and I hadn't seen her for a very long time because neither of us attend each year's event religiously. I Immediately thought about putting her in touch with you, because aside from my knowing that such abuse occurs, you and a few other posters here are the only survivors of this type of abuse I know, (if we can call it that, our never having met), and I thought she could learn from you some things she'll not learn elsewhere. I see you as an authority on such matters.

And a concerned and caring counselor should get the very best advice available so they actually help the child rather than usher them through the 'system.' Once I get her contact info from her uncle I'll have her get in touch, if you're open to it.

And I would never do anything to purposely cause you or anyone harm. Not ever.
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Re: The 2012 "Election" thread

Postby ninakat » Tue Oct 30, 2012 2:46 am

8bitagent wrote:Yeah but, Gay and Lesbian people can now openly serve in the globalist meatgrinder...so ya know, Obama is still a hero.


Yeah, sick innit? But at least he's "evolved" to be in favor of gay marriage (after being for it as an Illinois state senator, then against it as president, and then for it again)... the little opportunistic fucktard liar that he is.
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Re: The 2012 "Election" thread

Postby Iamwhomiam » Tue Oct 30, 2012 2:59 am

Say, fish, I think you forgot to mention the many Donny & Marie Christmas specials broadcast from the Whitehouse we'll have to look away from, too.
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Re: The 2012 "Election" thread

Postby 8bitagent » Tue Oct 30, 2012 3:34 am

barracuda wrote:
Nordic wrote:The key: Don't be afraid.

If you fear, they win. They want you to fear.

So many people fear Romney. Fuck that. Break away from the fear.

Only when you have nothing to fear will we be able to change anything. People with nothing to fear are downright dangerous.


I don't fear Romney. I just can't quite come to grips with spending eight years in debilitating depression staring at pictures of his gigantic, wonky-shaped, brylcreemed cranium surmounting that pompous, fatherly grimace of a smile. I'm in the prime of my life here - by the time he gets replaced on the newsstands, I'll be looking at encroaching decrepitude with his mug firmly stamped on my consciousness with the finality of a lower back tattoo. And you just know that bubble gum card of a religion of his'll get talked to death. Mormonism will become a fucking "thing" that'll be deconstructed in print enough to destroy the last few remaining old growth forests left after the Great Die-Off. Speaking of which, "green" anything will become even more of a hopeless joke. Dressage ponies will litter the Rose Garden like dandelions. Gays will become "interesting" outlaws again, with all that entails, and just when I'd hoped we'd successfully subsumed them into the white bread of American county-fair culture. And five fucking sons?? Do you have any idea how many servers will be required to hold the sheer breadth of internet commentary on their every minor imagined excess and hair style decisions? Fucking warehouses will be built in Cupertino to deal with that shit. There'll be entire walled off areas of the web devoted to the wonder of it all - the sons, the spouses, the surrogates, the seventy-five IVF grandchildren, the breathtaking grandeur of the extended Romnation, with Willard at the helm, our nation pullulating from the fount of his loins, the wellspring of the latest incarnation of the American way of fuck-all, And the whole rest of the planet will be scratching it's collective head at the collective chain of bad decisions that lead to this.

And statues. Lots of statues.

This isn't fear. It's an aesthetic choice as to what we're gonna wear boarding the hell-train to oblivion. I don't give a damn if Obama is the antichrist on a jet ski, I'd rather scorn him in despair than have to curse Romney's fat laughing mouth with its gold molar fillings showing every time he chortles again at some state function he's got no more business attending than my cat.

I'd be willing to sacrifice a smallish animal to Baal if that would circumvent this occurrence, but I don't know how.


Yeah, but on the flipside...Romney feels like a retro throw back to the 1980's. The pop culture lensed 80's I mean. A part of me thinks it'd be exciting to see leftists become leftists again, energized and focused.
Also, this:


Vote Romney. Because a dystopic William Gibson cyberpunk future needs a white corporate fat cat with big hair.
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Re: The 2012 "Election" thread

Postby barracuda » Tue Oct 30, 2012 3:42 am

Bullshit. I wasn't some kid in diapers when Ronald Reagan strode the earth, despoiling all he beheld in his white Stetson of blandness and destruction. I already lived through your dystopian wet-dream. It sucked balls.
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i used to be among the crowd you're in with

Postby IanEye » Tue Oct 30, 2012 7:23 am

8bitagent wrote:Yeah, but on the flipside...Romney feels like a retro throw back to the 1980's. The pop culture lensed 80's I mean. A part of me thinks it'd be exciting to see leftists become leftists again, energized and focused.


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8bit, when you go on and on about how awful Obama is for executing his drone policy, and then turn around and say how "exciting" it would be to see Romney don a Reagan mask, well, that's the part of you that needs to shut the fuck up.

While you're shutting the fuck up, here's a fun exercise:

* First, go through the RI discussion board archives and find all the times Hugh Manatee Wins accused Nordic of being an abuser of children because of his direct participation in the film industry.

* Then, go through this thread and find all the times Nordic accuses others of being murderers of children because they intend to participate in the process of voting.
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If others are going to be demonized for going into the voting booth, then I think it is high time to reinstate Hugh so that he can remind Nordic on a daily basis of his practice of molesting children.

Because Nordic seemed to be far less sanctimonious towards others when he was getting his face rubbed in the waste product of his chosen profession.

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Re: The 2012 "Election" thread

Postby crikkett » Tue Oct 30, 2012 7:53 am

I'll be looking at encroaching decrepitude with his mug firmly stamped on my consciousness with the finality of a lower back tattoo. And you just know that bubble gum card of a religion of his'll get talked to death.


This is what I miss about hanging out here. Thanks for the laugh. Also, IanEye is awesome.
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Re: The 2012 "Election" thread

Postby JackRiddler » Tue Oct 30, 2012 8:53 am

8bitagent wrote:Yeah, but on the flipside...Romney feels like a retro throw back to the 1980's. The pop culture lensed 80's I mean. A part of me thinks it'd be exciting to see leftists become leftists again, energized and focused.


The stupidity and ignorance of this comment is non-pareil. You know nothing and talk entirely out your ass. Things in the 1980s were the complete opposite of whatever it is you think you learned from whatever brain-damaging TV you've watched. Unless, as IanEye points out, your idea of "leftists being leftists" is of several hundred thousand peasants being shot by death squads.
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Re: The 2012 "Election" thread

Postby 82_28 » Tue Oct 30, 2012 9:13 am

Jesus H fucking Christ. It's come to this? Really? Really?

There is precisely nothing stupid about 8bit's comment. It's what he said. He said it. You can obviously tell he's not "stupid". I really don't like this witch hunting in the sense you just may, you very well may be hurting someone's feelings. I don't play sides here at all and while I have been known to speak my mind and have gotten into trouble sometimes, 8bit is a member as far as I am concerned in good standing. Like my opinion means anything, it means something to me and I think all of y'all need to focus on being more civil.

And in all honesty, I do not get it. Do you curse water for coming out of a faucet you turned on?

Again, Jesus H fucking Christ.
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Re: The 2012 "Election" thread

Postby 82_28 » Tue Oct 30, 2012 9:30 am

Furthermore, see 8bitagent's name. He IS HEARKENING the motherfucking 80s. That's what he does! 8bit. Get it? Of course he is going to have opinions couched in his experience. It's right there in his name on this board. I've never met him, but I do consider him a friend.

And further, furthermore and back on topic, there is discussion the whole election will be a wash and we're not going to know thing one about who won and etc because of SUPERSTORM Sandy.
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Re: The 2012 "Election" thread

Postby elfismiles » Tue Oct 30, 2012 10:12 am

Yeah, aint sElection-Time grand ... makes us all haters of each other.

Sex, Religion and Politics ... the only topics worth discussing.

Go Jill Stein!
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Re: The 2012 "Election" thread

Postby barracuda » Tue Oct 30, 2012 10:53 am

No hate intended here. I am hating no man! I have love in my heart for everyone! Just talkin' shit, and making clear my preference not to see a generation once again within the throttle-grip of the Republican war- and culture-makers. Not to mention a whole new crop of little Gordon Gekkos growing up enthralled by the snatch-and-grab business practices of Bain Capital as a role model.
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Re: The 2012 "Election" thread

Postby psynapz » Tue Oct 30, 2012 10:56 am

Chris Hedges wrote:The Supreme Court, no matter what its composition, will not save us from financial implosion and climate collapse.

Damn... cuts straight to the hyponychium right there...
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